Who is more powerful, Thor or the Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why are people comparing the Godblast to a blackhole? Since when was a blackhole Surfer's top attack?? One of them is a direct energy blast and the other is well, a black hole. If Thor wanted to destroy a planet then the godblast is a very poor choice.

Like I said, apples and oranges. But if Thor can use his exotic powers, why can't Surfer use his?

Just because 2 abilities are completely different, doesn't mean you can't compare them in sheer power.

A black hole can do much more than destroy a planet.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Like I said, apples and oranges. But if Thor can use his exotic powers, why can't Surfer use his?

Just because 2 abilities are completely different, doesn't mean you can't compare them in sheer power.

A black hole can do much more than destroy a planet.

Why are you even bringing up exotic powers? Energy blast isn't exotic....

But a black hole will never do much to any herald character and it will never -ever- harm Galactus, an enchanter or a celestial.

Suffers best blast, was the one that created a black hole.

Thor’s is the God Blast.

Because the God Blast has a proven track record, it soul be considered the greater of the two.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why are you even bringing up exotic powers? Energy blast isn't exotic....

Channeling one's lifeforce to empower an energy blast is pretty exotic to me.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But a black hole will never do much to any herald character and it will never -ever- harm Galactus, an enchanter or a celestial.

That's what I KEEP saying. A laser would cut through any material while a hurricane would be hard pressed to even scratch certain alloys even when directly struck with it's full force.

But what really is more powerful between the two?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Channeling one's lifeforce to empower an energy blast is pretty exotic to me.

Godblast isn't exotic, it's an energy attack. Have you seen it? Thor focuses and releases a beam from Mjolnir.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
That's what I KEEP saying. A laser would cut through any material while a hurricane would be hard pressed to even scratch certain alloys even when directly struck with it's full force.

But what really is more powerful between the two?

I am positive that the Surfer can produce something stronger than a black hole.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Godblast isn't exotic, it's an energy attack. Have you seen it? Thor focuses and releases a beam from Mjolnir.

The result is pretty basic but the SOURCE that powers the result is pretty exotic and is part of the power. For anyone to be able to fire a Godblast, they must:

1) Be able to fire an energy blast
2) Be able to channel one's life force to empower said blast
3) Be a god, thus having an enormous amount of lifeforce to channel.

How many characters do you know can do this? It is a pretty unique ability. If it's not, then what exactly IS your definition of an exotic power and pls give an example.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The result is pretty basic but the SOURCE that powers the result is pretty exotic and is part of the power. For anyone to be able to fire a Godblast, they must:

1) Be able to fire an energy blast
2) Be able to channel one's life force to empower said blast
3) Be a god, thus having an enormous amount of lifeforce to channel.

How many characters do you know can do this? It is a pretty unique ability. If it's not, then what exactly IS your definition of an exotic power and pls give an example.

How many characters can channel solar power into a concussive beam? Few. Is it exotic? No.

Exotic application of your powers, shrinking someone, magically depowering them, morphing them with something, not shooting them with a beam. All of Thor's energy blasts channel something, be it "pure force", fire, anti-force and the like.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
How many characters can channel solar power into a concussive beam? Few. Is it exotic? No.

You KEEP looking at the beam as what is making the Godblast "exotic", but what you fail to see is that it is the AMP to the energy blast that is unique. Not many characters can AMP their existing powers with their own lifeforce to allow it to reach insane levels.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You KEEP looking at the beam as what is making the Godblast "exotic", but what you fail to see is that it is the AMP to the energy blast that is unique. Not many characters can AMP their existing powers with their own lifeforce to allow it to reach insane levels.

No, apparently you fail to read my posts. Your entire selling point is that it's life-forced mixed with energy. Big whoop! To which I replied that all of Thor's blasts are usually different forms of energy and that adding something extra isn't an exotic application of his powers.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No, apparently you fail to read my posts. Your entire selling point is that it's life-forced mixed with energy. Big whoop! To which I replied that all of Thor's blasts are usually different forms of energy and that adding something extra isn't an exotic application of his powers.

This is going in circles, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. :-/

I believe being able to channel one's own lifeforce is pretty exotic, while you obviously don't. /shrug.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This is going in circles, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. :-/

I believe being able to channel one's own lifeforce is pretty exotic, while you obviously don't. /shrug.

Yeah, this is just a case of pure disagreement 😄

I can agree that it's an exotic energy blast.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I can agree that it's an exotic energy blast.

Sounds fair. 😄

Now that we got the Godblast out of the way (sorta), let's convert a black hole to real numbers (anyone wanna double-check my figures, please do so in case I screwed up)...

A "typical" stellar black hole weighs around 10 solar masses: about 40 million trillion trillion (4 x 10^31) pounds.

1 (one!) pound converted completely to energy (e=mc^2) is about 30 thousand trillion (3 x 10^16) joules, or roughly what's released in a 10 megaton blast.

This means the energy equivalent of a mass needed to create a typical stellar black hole > 1 trillion trillion trillion trillion (10^48) joules, or what's released in a 400 million trillion trillion (4 x 10^32) megaton blast.

In terms we can relate to, this means, to create a typical stellar black hole, one needs the energy of about 10,000 supernovas.

I don't know how big the Surfer-created black hole was (probably not stellar), but this may give some idea of his energy output.

Fun With Numbers 😮‍💨

ok, let's please make a distinction between REAL blackholes and comic blackholes

a REAL blackhole is an unimaginably powerful force, such that even light cannot escape its force.

a comic black hole is pretty pathetic that even most herald level characters can survive it.

That fight is going to be awesome.

Originally posted by Starscream M
a comic black hole is pretty pathetic that even most herald level characters can survive it.

Thanks for taking the wind out of those sails.

Originally posted by Mindship
Which means using a (comic) black hole as a measure of force (as in creating one), durability (as in surviving one) or strength (as in holding one) means little more than zilch.

exactomundo

Black Holes are for the most part in comics used as plot-devices to raise a character's stock dramatically and make fanboys go 'lookaatthat!!!1'. They are rarely portrayed they way they are supposed to because for the most part, if a character survives inside of/passing through one relativly unharmed they should be, for all intents and purposes, laughing at attacks from most of the other comic characters.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And Thor's had his mercy cost him plenty also. You honestly think that Thor's never found himself getting nailed because he turned his back on an oppoent that he thought was all but beaten?

Wasn't actually going all out, made evident by the fact Surfer jumped off his board. Surfer's got better showings against Hulk, Wonder Man, and Firelord. All of them were portrayed as being right on par with Thor, and all of them were portrayed as being less powerful than the Surfer.

Thor gave up his hammer to Masterson so he could settle down with Sif.

Sure he would have. And as I pointed out, he "killed" Mephisto.

Surfer specifically mentioned healing the board as demonstrating the difference. He didn't say anything about healing himself(except in the round about way of healing his board as an extension of himself).

No that's called following the rules. If you can't debate within a structure... well that's your hang up. Whining because the rule exist and is in effect won't change the fact that it IS and DOES.

I haven't conceded anything, I already covered it...

Yes, he was going all out. The Surfer made that declaration and got stopped and very quickly I might add. We don't need abc logic here as we have a direct comparison.

That isn't the same as just giving up his powers like the Surfer tried to do.

That's a rare occasion while we have the Surfer not killing Thanos. That might be the only situation where Surfer could ever hope to beat Thanos and he couldn't seal the deal. Shame.

I disagree, he described how easily this can happen and was also referring to himself.

Morg only understands might and brutality.

Pis is a subjective term. You and I disagree what is pis. No surprise here as you are a huge Surfer fan. I am here to broaden your mind.

Thor is the better warrior and as for the thread the more powerful of the two.

Originally posted by Ambient
Right but take a look at the context of the scan, " He draws strength from the madness".. Its not WM but it still a (outside) source of strength he can draw from. Who better knows Thor strength than one who he consider a brother, equal, and had defeated him... BRB

I hate Imageshack... 😠

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not the blackhole itself that's so impressive, it's the blast that caused it. According to Skeets that was a big black hole, that kinda implies a blast along the lines of a supernova. And let's face it, Galactus has been hurt by far less when he was extremely weakened like he was against Thor's Godblast.