Who is more powerful, Thor or the Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am actually reading a story while there are elements that BrB isn't aware of since he's just a character in the story. He also doesn't possess any ability to which he can sense amps. he can give his opinion the best he can with the knowledge he has. That's all.

Thor also barely used his hammer in their first fight. You do realize that right? You do realize he wasn't fighting them both with just his bare hands in blood and thunder? What is warrior madness anyways? I'll make my point with this question in my next post.

When was Galactus in any danger against Ego? What am I missing? When was he stated to be weakened in that comic? I might be missing something, but post proof please.

So? he can destroy a reinforced belt with his own power. I have already explained why it stands. The Galactus godblast is more than proof enough > than anything the Surfer has ever done with one offensive blast.

You stated something you couldn't prove and had no recollection of. When asked to prove it you dropped it.

What context am I ignoring? Seriously?

My point is just because one blast creates a blackhole that isn't proof in and of itself that a blast that doesn't create one is inferior to the surfer blast. You can't deny it. It's just inconsistent comic physics.

That's how powerful the godblast is even when he used a reinforced hammer. It still shattered at the power that is Thor's.

The funny thing is I have so much in store for you for this battlezone. You have no idea.

I understand quan, you think that you're a better judge of Thor than BRB is and that you're opinion trumps what is said in the comic. Believe it if you want, like I said that's on you.

And? He was regarded as faster and more dangerous than he was in that amped state. If you can't connect the dots there, that's just another thing that'll have to be on you.

First answer the question. Was Thor's help a massively powerful Elder of the Universe while Surfer's was a bunch of guys like the FF and the Shiar?

Unquantifiable feat. Thor's ability to channel his own divine energy is evidently below his ability to absorb energy from outside sources, which means that we don't know how much energy that was.

Huh?

That Thor's help was powerful enough to give G a fight all by his lonesome, while Surfer's help was guys like the FF and the Shiar. The two encounters aren't comparable.

And my point is that just because Surfer's never put the total sum of his energy into a single blast and unleashed it against G after he'd just finished a battle with Ego doesn't prove that Thor's energy output is superior to Surfers.

Nope. Thor's hammer has absorbed a blast capable of wiping out a fifth of the universe before, so the amount of power it can channel from Thor is evidently different than it's ability to absorb energy from outside sources. Unless of course you think that Thor can channel more energy than is required to destroy a fifth of the universe, in which case I'll just leave you to your opinion and be done with it.

Well just let me know when you're ready...

Originally posted by Mindship
Supposition. There is nothing to indicate that is a valid comparison.

The only certainty is that maximum health obviously would make it easier; imagine how much more he could've done if in peak form. Survive? The odds would certainly be better, but at this point no one can say either way.

No, I don't know. This is what I've been saying. If no one has a scan, I'll settle for dialogue or narration quotes. Remember: Thor's intent was to "smite" Galactus, not just stopping him from feeding. Has Surfer ever tried to kill Galactus? Did he have the distance from the battlefield to prep for an all-out blast while Galactus was busy elsewhere? Maybe he did, I don't know. All I've been asking for is something to sink my teeth into (right now, the closest instance I can think of is what movie Surfer did).

Odin, shmodin. The point was that black holes are regarded as top tier "natural" phenomena in the comic book universe. Like supernovas.

So you dodged the question. Ok with what we saw this feat kills him and to suggest he can survive even at maximum health is pure speculation. What we do know is that it killed him. I can live with that.

Ok. I didn't realize you were entirely ignorant on this matter. Surfer has never ever been a factor when opposing Galactus while Thor has.

No, you stated it doesn't count for Odin because of his mystical nature well guess what Thor has mystical power as well. The point is this stuff isn't consistent enough to suggest a blackhole created blast is more powerful than a blast that doesn't create one.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I understand quan, you think that you're a better judge of Thor than BRB is and that you're opinion trumps what is said in the comic. Believe it if you want, like I said that's on you.

And? He was regarded as faster and more dangerous than he was in that amped state. If you can't connect the dots there, that's just another thing that'll have to be on you.

First answer the question. Was Thor's help a massively powerful Elder of the Universe while Surfer's was a bunch of guys like the FF and the Shiar?

Unquantifiable feat. Thor's ability to channel his own divine energy is evidently below his ability to absorb energy from outside sources, which means that we don't know how much energy that was.

Huh?

That Thor's help was powerful enough to give G a fight all by his lonesome, while Surfer's help was guys like the FF and the Shiar. The two encounters aren't comparable.

And my point is that just because Surfer's never put the total sum of his energy into a single blast and unleashed it against G after he'd just finished a battle with Ego doesn't prove that Thor's energy output is superior to Surfers.

Nope. Thor's hammer has absorbed a blast capable of wiping out a fifth of the universe before, so the amount of power it can channel from Thor is evidently different than it's ability to absorb energy from outside sources. Unless of course you think that Thor can channel more energy than is required to destroy a fifth of the universe, in which case I'll just leave you to your opinion and be done with it.

Well just let me know when you're ready...

Since when has warrior madness amped your speed?

He was using his hammer which is more dangerous than just punching. If you'd read a lot of Thor you'd realize this and the fact the two fights were completely different based on how Thor actually fought.

Galactus wasn't even injured enough to feel pain by Ego. This is plain for anyone to see reading the comic so once again you;re caught exaggerating a "weakened" state. You just make random claims with no real knowledge of the story and when asked to back it up dodge the question. Just like the Thing example I am noticing a pattern here. You really just don't know.

Enough to chase Galactus off which is more than anything I can say for the Surfer against Galactus when in direct opposition.

You want to ignore the Galactus showing, the Exitar showing, the blood and thunder showing, etc. while you want to exaggerate an inconsistent blackhole blast. That's pretty much all you have done here.

Galactus hadn't even experienced pain in the Thor arc from anything Ego brought to the table while in the Galactus the devourer arc he was described as being extremely weakened.

We agree they aren't anywhere near comparable at all. Thor chased off a much more powerful version of Galactus who was hardly challenged if at all by Ego. I suspect you haven't read it.

Inconsistent writing. In one arc he can barely lift a building while in another he has the strength to shatter mountains. I mean read a couple of comics and you'll see many are inconsistent from one writer to the next.

Oh, I will.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then later Odin determined it wasn't so any amps gained from a warrior madness have to be explained in this story as they are not the same thing.

He recognized the symptoms he didn't sense them. He was giving his opinion on what Thor was doing at the time and nothing more. It's a vague comment anyways so you can't even begin to prove how much strength he was actually drawing. BrB also recovered just like Thor did given enough time. That's all.

No, it wasn't. He's always been more skilled, more brutal, and twice the warrior of both of them so him out for blood with all the power at his disposal showed what he is capable of.

Do you even know what warrior madness is?

It says it right here. It actually says with each passing second he grows stronger. I mean it explains it plain as day. It can't be any more literal as machines are hooked up to him gauging his strength. Too bad BrB wasn't there at the time because he can sense amps in Thor. 😂

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Thor fought him with his hands mainly while he used his hammer and showed off his power against him this time. I think he used his hammer once the first time he fought him.

Odin can recognized and sense this, BRB can sense internal or external energies, track them or diff. them through Stormbreaker +++ his exp. and familiarity towards Thor allows him to recognized any changes in physical condition..

Nope BRB had to be mend by lady Seph unlike how Thor recovered in seconds..

Right +++++ The amp 😄 made him even more deadly..

Yes...

Just actually playin with yah Quan, i know he was amp against Thanos as well via (in my case) Insanity and PG but it was never explicitly described that Thor was harnessing the PG to amp himself physically, even with the force block scenario. It could been implied that he could just harnessed the energy within the gem and release it therefore his much more stronger and powerful, no mention of internalizing those energies and amping physically but yet i see it the way you see it.. Like i said, "see not just the word but beyond it, you have no problem seeing it on your proof, why not ours.." 😖hifty:

Really makes no diff. as Warlock iz a master tactician and a genius to boot, should be enough to gauge an opponent.. WM is bloodlusted, no quarters ask and each attack is at full power..

Originally posted by Ambient
We all know it wasn't true WM Quan that was made clear in the story however you can't deny the symptoms that was somewhat sense by BRB, Odin, Warlock and since there was never any mention that they were wrong on determining the symptoms therefor we can only conclude that they were right.. Just because a condition is wrong it does not necessarily mean the symptoms are also wrong, like some form of disease some conditions have similar symptoms, only differentiated by either the cause or wither its affect is generalized or chronic..

Odin can recognized and sense this, BRB can sense internal or external energies, track them or diff. them through Stormbreaker +++ his exp. and familiarity towards Thor allows him to recognized any changes in physical condition..

Nope BRB had to be mend by lady Seph unlike how Thor recovered in seconds..

Right +++++ The amp 😄 made him even more deadly..

Yes...

Just actually playin with yah Quan, i know he was amp against Thanos as well via (in my case) Insanity and PG but it was never explicitly described that Thor was harnessing the PG to amp himself physically, even with the force block scenario. It could been implied that he could just harnessed the energy within the gem and release it therefore his much more stronger and powerful, no mention of internalizing those energies and amping physically but yet i see it the way you see it.. Like i said, "see not just the word but beyond it, you have no problem seeing it on your proof, why not ours.." 😖hifty:

Really makes no diff. as Warlock iz a master tactician and a genius to boot, should be enough to gauge an opponent.. WM is bloodlusted, no quarters ask and each attack is at full power..

I mean we find out later what it was and it wasn't warrior madness so why wouldn't they conclude it to be warrior's madness? Seriously.

What are you talking about? BrB was going by Thor's behavior to reach his conclusion.

And? That doesn't mean amp that means he recovered quicker. Thor was also out to murder Bill while Bill wasn't out to murder Thor. See the difference?

It says his strength is increasing each second. It actually states it as he is hooked up to machines. I mean I don't know more direct the writer has to be here? Thor wasn't amped until he received the power gem. It's obvious to anyone but a silver surfer fan.

What does him being a master tactician have to do with him gauging a previous fight in which Thor barely used his hammer? Seriously?

I have absolutely torn your case to shreds.

edit - hit wrong button

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. How isn't it? Galactus couldn't stop it from sapping his strength. In this instance it mattered not as the comic clearly shows.

2. So you dodged the question. Ok with what we saw this feat kills him and to suggest he can survive even at maximum health is pure speculation. What we do know is that it killed him. I can live with that.

3. Ok. I didn't realize you were entirely ignorant on this matter. Surfer has never ever been a factor when opposing Galactus while Thor has.

4. No, you stated it doesn't count for Odin because of his mystical nature well guess what Thor has mystical power as well. The point is this stuff isn't consistent enough to suggest a blackhole created blast is more powerful than a blast that doesn't create one.

1. He was in a hunger state and hit when he wasn't looking. It may very well indeed have effected him regardless, but that is supposition. There is nothing on panel to indicate that a full-powered, fully expecting Galactus would've been effected the exact same way. There just isn't.

2. I dodged? You're not even reading what I'm writing. I said...

The only certainty is that maximum health obviously would make it easier; imagine how much more he could've done if in peak form. Survive? The odds would certainly be better, but at this point no one can say either way.

3. I've been saying from the start...

My knowledge of actual, no-screwin'-around Surfer/Galactus fights is sketchy.

4. The nature of Odin's power is tangent to my original point...

Comic black holes are still in the top tier as far as "natural" phenomena go, the impact of their presence in a story (to showcase a character's power) being derived from their real-life counterparts.

Look, this was fun, now it's gettin' tiresome. I return to my original question: Has the Surfer ever tried to kill a weak/hungry Galactus, having the time and distance away from the battlefield to prep for an all-out blast while Big G wasn't looking? If he has and failed, then boom. That ends it, I drop it. But so far, I haven't seen it. I rest my case with an open mind until then.

Originally posted by quanchi112

. Thor chased off a much more powerful version of Galactus who was hardly challenged if at all by Ego.

This is actually completely false. Its was explicitly mentioned by thor in Thor annual 14 that Galactus was not only weakened by hunger when he used the godblast but also "exhausted" from his fight with ego.

Originally posted by Naija boy
This is actually completely false. Its was explicitly mentioned by thor in Thor annual 14 that Galactus was not only weakened by hunger when he used the godblast but also "exhausted" from his fight with ego.

I read the fight and Galactus didn't show exhaustion at all. The guy was easily leveling Ego. No, if you want to take Thor's recount of what he saw as precedence over the actual comic be my guest. He still was nowhere even close to being anyhwere near the weakened state Galactus was in the devourer story. So either way imo it's an impressive feat for Thor while an embarrassing feat for the Surfer.

Galactus at full power is more in terms of theory anyways. Once again, he is usually weakened by hunger in ninety percent of his showings.

Originally posted by Mindship
1. He was in a hunger state and hit when he wasn't looking. It may very well indeed have effected him regardless, but that is supposition. There is nothing on panel to indicate that a full-powered, fully expecting Galactus would've been effected the exact same way. There just isn't.

2. I dodged? You're not even reading what I'm writing. I said...

3. I've been saying from the start...

4. The nature of Odin's power is tangent to my original point...Anything else you want to conclude from that, be my guest.

Look, this was fun, now it's gettin' tiresome. I return to my original question: Has the Surfer ever tried to kill a weak/hungry Galactus, having the time and distance away from the battlefield to prep for an all-out blast while Big G wasn't looking? If he has and failed, then boom. That ends it, I drop it. But so far, I haven't seen it. I rest my case with an open mind until then.

2. It was a nonanswer. I asked you to tell me what you thought knowing full well it's speculation. I myself don't see him surviving it.

3.Ok.

4.No, both Odin and Thor are mystical in terms of power while the Surfer isn't. Pretty cut and dry. I made my point.

Surfer has never been anything more than a tiresome flea and never demonstrated anything close to an all out attack least of all something comparable to the godblast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, I am the reader so I have access to more information than a character in the story who just sees what he sees. He couldn't see the valykrie at the time Thor was speaking could he? I could. Do you get it now? I cannot believe I've had to waste this much time explaining something that's fairly obvious.

Since when has warrior madness amped your speed?

He was using his hammer which is more dangerous than just punching. If you'd read a lot of Thor you'd realize this and the fact the two fights were completely different based on how Thor actually fought.

Galactus wasn't even injured enough to feel pain by Ego. This is plain for anyone to see reading the comic so once again you;re caught exaggerating a "weakened" state. You just make random claims with no real knowledge of the story and when asked to back it up dodge the question. Just like the Thing example I am noticing a pattern here. You really just don't know.

Enough to chase Galactus off which is more than anything I can say for the Surfer against Galactus when in direct opposition.

You want to ignore the Galactus showing, the Exitar showing, the blood and thunder showing, etc. while you want to exaggerate an inconsistent blackhole blast. That's pretty much all you have done here.

Galactus hadn't even experienced pain in the Thor arc from anything Ego brought to the table while in the Galactus the devourer arc he was described as being extremely weakened.

We agree they aren't anywhere near comparable at all. Thor chased off a much more powerful version of Galactus who was hardly challenged if at all by Ego. I suspect you haven't read it.

Inconsistent writing. In one arc he can barely lift a building while in another he has the strength to shatter mountains. I mean read a couple of comics and you'll see many are inconsistent from one writer to the next.

Oh, I will.

It's an indication of an amp, and any amp at all throws too much ambiguity on the fight for it to be valid because one amp allows for the possibility of another.

Do you have a statement from the comic supporting your theory on Warlock's reasoning behind his statement, or are you relying upon your own conjecture?

You're still not answering the questions. Was Thor's help Ego while Surfer's was guys like the FF and Shiar or not? Was G portrayed below par(like being dependant on hovercrafts and canons) or not?

Did Surfer ever have help like Thor's or not?

I'm not talking about ignoring all of them, just the one's with extenuating circumstances. It's not my fault if most of the showings that you think support your stance aren't actually valid for one reason or another. And I don't want to ignore Thor's showing vs Galactus, I just recognize that it's not as impressive as you'd like to make it out to be.

Galactus was so weak and/or badly portrayed during his battle with Ego that Thor managed to cause him actual physical pain with a simple hammer throw WITHOUT the Godblast. And was Naija incorrect when he said that Thor annual 14 specifically said that G was weakened and exhausted from his fight with Ego, or is that something you've decided to ignore?

Thor got a free shot using everything he had against against a very poorly written G who'd just gone through a battle with an Elder of the Universe, Surfer's never been in that position to my recollection.

So you only want to acknowledge the showings that support your case... isn't that the kind of thing you keep accusing me of?

Ok.

I'm researching "Galactus the Devourer," but Google isn't much help. But I noticed Thor (!) on some of the arc covers. Was he part of the battle to stop Galactus? If so, why didn't he?

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm researching "Galactus the Devourer," but Google isn't much help. But I noticed Thor (!) on some of the arc covers. Was he part of the battle to stop Galactus? If so, why didn't he?

Originally posted by Naija boy
He was part of the battle actually along with the rest of the avengers.

I found some summaries to read (better than nuttin'😉, and it seems like a very interesting, well done arc (shame on me I've never read it). Galactus really becomes quite the tragic figure.

Is this canon?

Originally posted by Mindship
And all together -- with Surfer, the FF, everybody, their combined efforts -- nothing could stop a very weak Galactus? What was Thor doing?

I found some summaries to read (better than nuttin'😉, and it seems like a very interesting, well done arc (shame on me I've never read it). Galactus really becomes quite the tragic figure.

Is this canon?

Yup, G had to be stopped by one of reeds plot device machines.

And yeah its cannon.

Thor is more powerful out and out. Can he beat Surfer? Probably not. power doesn't always equal a win. He fights like a brute most of the time. But his hammer can do stuff Surfer cannot. That God force blast would split surfer in half.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the symptoms were similar but the diagnosis wasn't.

I mean we find out later what it was and it wasn't warrior madness so why wouldn't they conclude it to be warrior's madness? Seriously.

What are you talking about? BrB was going by Thor's behavior to reach his conclusion.

And? That doesn't mean amp that means he recovered quicker. Thor was also out to murder Bill while Bill wasn't out to murder Thor. See the difference?

It says his strength is increasing each second. It actually states it as he is hooked up to machines. I mean I don't know more direct the writer has to be here? Thor wasn't amped until he received the power gem. It's obvious to anyone but a silver surfer fan.

What does him being a master tactician have to do with him gauging a previous fight in which Thor barely used his hammer? Seriously?

I have absolutely torn your case to shreds.

Like i say the only diff. between true WM and this insanity was the cause, the symptoms where similar, to which you agree..

It's in his powerset to scan/analyse forces/energy.. Would it not make sense to use those as well as what you mentioned to determined Thors condition.. Was it even narrated/state in the crossover that he only used behavioral pattern to determined the symptoms? And what about Odin, what made him conclude that it was WM at first? With all the power at his disposal, I'm sure he used other methods as well...

Yes it showed fast recovery but he also showed increase in strength by taking on a few top tiers in which normally one on one, he would have trouble.. This showing exactly backs up BRB and Warlocks statement..

Bill had to be bandage up and mend by Sif but Thor just up and go, quite big difference..

That was when in the forceblock, it was never mentioned that he was amp when he fought Thanos, you believe it the otherway.. But Like i say it doesn't matter cause i do agree with yah, what im trying to point out is that try to look at our evidence the way you see yours, you expect ours with precise narration..

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does him being a master tactician have to do with him gauging a previous fight in which Thor barely used his hammer? Seriously?

I have absolutely torn your case to shreds.

Makes no diff. his going all out, bloodlusted and every single movement and strikes is at max..

You torn my case by agreeing with me ????

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the symptoms were similar but the diagnosis wasn't.

Originally posted by darthgoober The problem with your argument is that the amp was demonstrated immediately following Bill's statement. Thor was pretty much on his last legs when Bill and Surfer started conversing and Bill mentioned him drawing strength from his madness. Then he one shotted the both of them, and went on to thrash both Warlock and Surfer together(after Surfer woke up I mean). That's a pretty clear indication that his strength/power was increased during BRB and Surfer's exchange.

He didn’t show any power he didn’t exhibit before. He had already kicked Beta Ray Bill’s ass before that statement. Twice. He also downed the Silver Surfer with a single blow twice before that statement did he not? After the statement which in itself is irrelevant he didn’t demonstrate anything he was not capable off before the statement.

Thor recovered extremely quickly after Beta Ray Bill downed him with direct blows to the face and back of his neck and so on. That doesn’t mean he received an amp that just shows ridiculous recovery time. Which is not something unheard off as this is Thor, the same Thor who has shown ridiculous recovery time in the past as well. I recall an instance when he was weakened through travel (Not conventional travel.) to the point he was brought down to his knees and couldn’t stand, and then recovered the next panel.
After he recovered he went on to beat the crap out of Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock. Which is not something that surprises me either, as I view Thor more powerful than all three of them, especially blood lusted.

He one shotted an expected Beta Ray Bill with a point blank blast aimed at Silver Surfer. Who knows what type of attack that was? Thor has brought attacks out of his ass that have one shotted Ego as I recall, and even Galactus (He made him flee for his life.). The fact that he was able to use an unknown energy attack to drop Beta Ray Bill doesn’t shock me at all. He and Silver Surfer had a brief scuffle. Thor then stated he had enough and dropped him with his blow. He casually dropped him with a blow before this as well. Again nothing he didn’t demonstrate before.

The fact of the matter is, that statement made by Beta Ray Bill, was one made out of ignorance as shown and to use it as evidence is faulty logic at best. To assume he had an amp when he didn’t show anything that he shouldn’t be capable just because you dislike the outcome of the fights is illogical.

Originally posted by darthgoober Unless there's proof that standard Thor's raw power is greater than his strength x10(as Thor was in a confirmed state of Warrior Madness in his first fight with Warlock) it's really not all that logical. While something like his Godblast might generate more force than his strength x10, you'd be hard pressed to find any examples demonstrating that his generic energy blast(like he was using during Blood and Thunder) are more powerful than a punch from him when his strength's been increased to the degree that it is while in Warrior Madness.

During his fight with him, all Thor did was pound his head in with his fists. During this fight, he was unleashing exotic cosmic energy. Once he did that, Adam Warlock stated he was more dangerous than he remembered. Which like I said is a logical assumption, as in their past fight all Thor did was use his fists while hear used his exotic powers. He didn’t simply engage them in hand to hand. He was using his long range attacks as well. Simply put even staying out of reach Adam Warlock and the Silver Surfer were not safe. It’s not illogical at all.

I do not recall of any instance where it is stated his power is greater than a 10 times amp in strength, but based on his feat with that strength and power or lack there off, a standard Thor who was using all of his exotic powers would defeat a Warrior Madness Thor with a ten times amp who was only using his brute strength and would engage only in hand to hand combat. Simply put, yes Thor was more dangerous. It’s actually quite logical.

Originally posted by darthgoober Uh... no. You're scan is from the opening seconds of Warlock and Thor squaring off, he didn't "go on" to say that. And he didn't say "Thor's not the unstoppable fighting machine...", he said "Perhaps Thor may not be...". He thought he might be remembering Thor as being more powerful than he actually is but then the fight progressed and it turned out that Thor's actually WORSE than he remembers him being the first time around.

You’re right that panel was before the one where he referred to his threat level. Now you’re just nitpicking. I even posted the damn scan.

That’s actually adds to my point of view. When Thor attempted to engage him in hand to hand, Adam Warlock states that Thor may not be as powerful or unstoppable as his memory which is subjugated to doubt and so on recalls, which is of course logical as Thor was a lot stronger in Warrior Madness. Yet when Thor started using his more exotic energy attacks and so on, Adam Warlock clearly goes on to say that Thor is even more dangerous now than he was then, which like I said is perfectly logical.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He didn’t show any power he didn’t exhibit before. He had already kicked Beta Ray Bill’s ass before that statement. Twice. He also downed the Silver Surfer with a single blow twice before that statement did he not? After the statement which in itself is irrelevant he didn’t demonstrate anything he was not capable off before the statement.

Thor recovered extremely quickly after Beta Ray Bill downed him with direct blows to the face and back of his neck and so on. That doesn’t mean he received an amp that just shows ridiculous recovery time. Which is not something unheard off as this is Thor, the same Thor who has shown ridiculous recovery time in the past as well. I recall an instance when he was weakened through travel (Not conventional travel.) to the point he was brought down to his knees and couldn’t stand, and then recovered the next panel.
After he recovered he went on to beat the crap out of Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock. Which is not something that surprises me either, as I view Thor more powerful than all three of them, especially blood lusted.

He one shotted an expected Beta Ray Bill with a point blank blast aimed at Silver Surfer. Who knows what type of attack that was? Thor has brought attacks out of his ass that have one shotted Ego as I recall, and even Galactus (He made him flee for his life.). The fact that he was able to use an unknown energy attack to drop Beta Ray Bill doesn’t shock me at all. He and Silver Surfer had a brief scuffle. Thor then stated he had enough and dropped him with his blow. He casually dropped him with a blow before this as well. Again nothing he didn’t demonstrate before.

The fact of the matter is, that statement made by Beta Ray Bill, was one made out of ignorance as shown and to use it as evidence is faulty logic at best. To assume he had an amp when he didn’t show anything that he shouldn’t be capable just because you dislike the outcome of the fights is illogical.

There's a difference between kicking someone's ass in a fight and knocking them out with one shot when you're already on your last legs. If he never one shotted either of them before Bill's statement, then demonstrated something he was previously incapable of.

Matter of opinion. I say that the fact that Thor was beaten damn near to unconscious before BRB's statement DOES indicate that he recieved an amp since I don't see a weakened Thor one shotting BRB and Surfer and then thrashing Surfer and Warlock together. And if you're already inclined to believe that Thor's more powerful than all three of them of course it's not going to suprise you. I happen to disagree though.

It was a generic blast, that's all. When Thor uses something uber, it's noted in the comic. Against Ego it was specifically mentioned that he was turning the elements on Ego against him(which makes perfect sense because Thor's the God of Thunder) and against that weakened Galactus he used his Godblast. When has Thor ever casually one shotted Surfer before?

I acknowledge he had an amp because he DID show things that he shouldn't be capable of. Or can you think of another instance of him taking down three guys like BRB, Surfer, and Warlock as he did in B&T? If he's never done anything like it before or since and he has instances of him preforming less impressively against the foes he fought, it's a pretty clear indication that it's beyond his standard abilities.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
During his fight with him, all Thor did was pound his head in with his fists. During this fight, he was unleashing exotic cosmic energy. Once he did that, Adam Warlock stated he was more dangerous than he remembered. Which like I said is a logical assumption, as in their past fight all Thor did was use his fists while hear used his exotic powers. He didn’t simply engage them in hand to hand. He was using his long range attacks as well. Simply put even staying out of reach Adam Warlock and the Silver Surfer were not safe. It’s not illogical at all.

I do not recall of any instance where it is stated his power is greater than a 10 times amp in strength, but based on his feat with that strength and power or lack there off, a standard Thor who was using all of his exotic powers would defeat a Warrior Madness Thor with a ten times amp who was only using his brute strength and would engage only in hand to hand combat. Simply put, yes Thor was more dangerous. It’s actually quite logical.

You're trying to extrapolate what Warlock meant without enough evidence to do so. You're also ignoring the fact that he was stated as being faster than he was in Warrior Madness. Warrior Madness is a physical amp and the fact that they came right out and said that one aspect of Thor's physical abilities was superior to than it is while in that amped state throws too much ambiguity on the showing. What you're saying definitely makes sense, but so does what I'm saying(that he was more dangerous because he was amped).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You’re right that panel was before the one where he referred to his threat level. Now you’re just nitpicking. I even posted the damn scan.

That’s actually adds to my point of view. When Thor attempted to engage him in hand to hand, Adam Warlock states that Thor may not be as powerful or unstoppable as his memory which is subjugated to doubt and so on recalls, which is of course logical as Thor was a lot stronger in Warrior Madness. Yet when Thor started using his more exotic energy attacks and so on, Adam Warlock clearly goes on to say that Thor is even more dangerous now than he was then, which like I said is perfectly logical.