Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I’ve been reading through this particular thread, and I’m finding some statements somewhat baseless to an extent. Skimming through, “Blood and Thunder” it’s pretty clear to me that Thor had no amp at all until he received the Power Gem and Thanos placed him in that containment field. Before that, no indication of an amp was given at all, besides that statement made by Beta Ray Bill, who was ignorant of the condition Thor was in.He thought Thor was under the Warrior Madness, so of course he would believe Thor was drawing strength from the madness, as that is a side effect of the madness. His believed it so much, that he went and attacked the Infinity Watch and so on. Of course Beta Ray Bill would have come to the conclusion that it was Warrior Madness. Thor an Asgardian god, suddenly succumbs to raving like a lunatic, and starts hallucinating. Someone like Thor doesn’t succumb to normal illnesses and such. What other possible conclusion could Beta Ray Bill come to besides that one, based on his limited observation and limited knowledge of Thor’s condition? The simple fact is that, this statement was made under false knowledge and ignorance. To argue that Thor had an amp based on that is like I said, rather baseless.
The problem with your argument is that the amp was demonstrated immediately following Bill's statement. Thor was pretty much on his last legs when Bill and Surfer started conversing and Bill mentioned him drawing strength from his madness. Then he one shotted the both of them, and went on to thrash both Warlock and Surfer together(after Surfer woke up I mean). That's a pretty clear indication that his strength/power was increased during BRB and Surfer's exchange.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Another argument I have come across is Adam Warlock’s statement. He said Thor seemed quicker than he remembered and seemed more dangerous. First of all, memory is subjugated to doubt and so on. At best, what you can get from this statement is that Thor got an amp in speed which in itself is a stretch.Like he said, Thor was more dangerous. If anyone had read the first fight, they would know that all they had was a brawl. They went toe to toe using nothing more than their fists. Here the moment Thor starts unleashing his godly powers, and using energy attacks, Adam Warlock comes to the conclusion that Thor is more dangerous than he remembered. Which is logical, as “Raw Power > Raw Strength”, is the case in most of these cosmic battles. All Thor did was throw punches, in their first fight as I recall. Here Thor did much more than that. He started unleashing his true power and went beyond simple raw strength.
Unless there's proof that standard Thor's raw power is greater than his strength x10(as Thor was in a confirmed state of Warrior Madness in his first fight with Warlock) it's really not all that logical. While something like his Godblast might generate more force than his strength x10, you'd be hard pressed to find any examples demonstrating that his generic energy blast(like he was using during Blood and Thunder) are more powerful than a punch from him when his strength's been increased to the degree that it is while in Warrior Madness.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Adam Warlock also goes on to state in this fight that Thor is not be the unstoppable fighting machine that fear and distant memory causes his mind’s eye to perceive, which highlights the fact that memories are subjugated to change and so on which I previously stated. He states that fear and time could have warped his perception of Thor on top of everything else.Again, to come to the conclusion that Thor was amped based on a statement that is made when one character is in ignorance, and another statement based on uncertainty, and is contradicted to an extent by the same character, is somewhat baseless.
Uh... no. You're scan is from the opening seconds of Warlock and Thor squaring off, he didn't "go on" to say that. And he didn't say "Thor's not the unstoppable fighting machine...", he said "Perhaps Thor may not be...". He thought he might be remembering Thor as being more powerful than he actually is but then the fight progressed and it turned out that Thor's actually WORSE than he remembers him being the first time around.
Edited at Darthgoober's request.
