Martial Artist Rankings

What the **** is all this? Instead of bitching about everything, you know you guys can help. Just copy and paste my list and whatever changes you make, highlight them in bolde so the rest of us can see.

Originally posted by Robtard
In that case, your list is even more laughably skewed. As there are several people who where outright deadly with weapons/powers, but didn't do much of anything H2H-wise.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It should be noted that John Preston would pwn just about everyone in the Uber Tier.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I think you should remove a tier and then list all of the candidates and then fill the tiers by popular opinion. Maybe after listing the tiers and the candidates you can ask which ten belong in tier 1 and then which ten belong in tier 2 and so on. I only suggest this because it seems that the people you have in specific tiers contradict each other. You should come up with 30 people and 3 tiers. After those are set you could always introduce new candidates. That way there will be some kind of consistency.

If we are going on fighting ability and skill over superpower i think that list definitely needs a reboot. I really think this is a hard one to judge though because many of the people on that list rely on their special abilities to enhance their martial arts. It is very hard to say how skilled of a fighter a lot of those candidates would be without their special abilities (super powers). .

Originally posted by Darth Martin
What the **** is all this? Instead of bitching about everything, you know you guys can help. Just copy and paste my list and whatever changes you make, highlight them in bolde so the rest of us can see.

Seriously though, let's go along with Jinx' idea for now and nominate characters by tier.

Any nominations for the "Un-Earthly MA" tier?

My suggestions are the following:
-Neo
-Morpheus
-YuLaw
-Kung-Lau
-Po
-River Tam
-Shifu

Do you guys agree with mine, disagree, have any nominations of your own. Let's try to be constructive here. 🙂

everybody from Crouching Tiger, everybody from Hero.

Yea, well I was including characters that we normally use. No sense putting the various Van Damne(spelling) and Segal characters in if we never use them.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Like?

Achilles, Leonidas, Harry Potter, Jason Vorhees, Jango Fett, all didn't do much of shit without weapons.

Then there's guys like Hancock, Superman, Mr. Incredible, Hulk who didn't show more than the most basic punching/fighting ability and relied purely on their super-powers.

If this thread is supposed to just judge/rank fighting ability; not including weapons and super-powers, you need to completely redo it and toss out the likes on Achilles, Superman etc., and just stick with people who kicked ass from a skill standpoint.

Originally posted by Robtard
Achilles, Leonidas, Harry Potter, Jason Vorhees, Jango Fett, all didn't do much of shit without weapons.

Originally posted by Robtard
If this thread is supposed to just judge/rank fighting ability; not including weapons and super-powers, you need to completely redo it and toss out the likes on Achilles, Superman etc., and just stick with people who kicked ass from a skill standpoint.

So for Top-tier, who do you think should be there?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
So for Top-tier, who do [B]you think should be there? [/B]

Most Bruce Lee characters.

What about the characters we mostly use. Out of the tier system I used where do you think the following should be placed?

-Batman(Bale)
-Rorschach
-Ozymandias
-Bourne
-Bond(Craig)
-McClane
-Morpheus
-Neo

Neo
Morpheus

Ozymandias

Bourne*
Batman*
Bond

Rorschach

McClane

As far as skills go, I think that's fairly accurate. Neo and Morpheus top the list because, well, they can just download whatever skillsets they want. Ozymandias is next, followed by Bourne and Batman, although I'm unsure about the order of those two. Then comes Bond, who's clearly skilled but doesn't appear to be quite on par with Bourne, Rorschach - who seems to be more of a scrappy street fighter than a "martial artist" - follows, and McClane rounds it out.

I didn't group them by the tiers you have marked out, because the Matrix characters have a weird advantage and I'm not sure how Ozymandias' exaggerated physical attributes, like his honed reflexes, factor into this.

I agree with the order of your list but what tiers would you put them in the ones that I used in the first post?

I would say the top tier would be those characters who have both martial arts skill and some level of superhuman strength, speed and agility that assists their martial arts. So on that basis i'd put the following:

Neo.
Casshern.
Blade.
"Nameless" from Hero.
Seraph (from the matrix).
Smith from revolutions.
YuLaw.

Next level I would put those who are slightly above Top level human strength and speed and have high levels of skill in martial arts.

Most of the rest of the matrix characters.
Comic book martial arts experts such as Wade Wilson
supernatural based Mortal Kombat characters such as scorpion etc
I'd also put Ozymandias in this catagory.

Next level I would put the top level human in terms of expertise in one or more type of martial arts as well as inventiveness and durability.

Most martial arts films would be based in this catagory. Most Jet Li, Tony Jaa, Bruce Lee film characters would be in this catagory. I'd also put characters with several martial arts and resourcfulness in this catagory so that would include the spy characters such as Jason Borne, Brian Mills, Bond etc. While they may not have as much skill in 1 single type of martial arts they have a broad enough knowledge and a brilliant ability to react and use their surroundings that I think would make them a match for pure martial arts ability.

Beyond that level I don't really care all that much.

I don't agree with putting Smith in the top tier. He's fast and strong yes but he mostly uses one style of martial art. I doubt he's as skilled as Morpheus. We shouldn't let one's powers and abilities get in the way of determining one's skill. Agent Smith pwned Morpheus due to superior strength, speed, and durability, not due to superior skill. Morpheus was incredible in his fight scene with Neo.

I don't recall Wade Wilson showing much h2h skill unless your counting Weapon XI too.

Forgot about Mortal Kombat characters. What tiers would you put the MK characters in? Watchmen?

Originally posted by jaden101
I would say the top tier would be those characters who have both martial arts skill and some level of superhuman strength, speed and agility that assists their martial arts. So on that basis i'd put the following:

Neo.
Casshern.
Blade.
"Nameless" from Hero.
Seraph (from the matrix).
Smith from revolutions.
YuLaw.

Next level I would put those who are slightly above Top level human strength and speed and have high levels of skill in martial arts.

Most of the rest of the matrix characters.
Comic book martial arts experts such as Wade Wilson
supernatural based Mortal Kombat characters such as scorpion etc
I'd also put Ozymandias in this catagory.

Next level I would put the top level human in terms of expertise in one or more type of martial arts as well as inventiveness and durability.

Most martial arts films would be based in this catagory. Most Jet Li, Tony Jaa, Bruce Lee film characters would be in this catagory. I'd also put characters with several martial arts and resourcfulness in this catagory so that would include the spy characters such as Jason Borne, Brian Mills, Bond etc. While they may not have as much skill in 1 single type of martial arts they have a broad enough knowledge and a brilliant ability to react and use their surroundings that I think would make them a match for pure martial arts ability.

Beyond that level I don't really care all that much.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I don't agree with putting Smith in the top tier. He's fast and strong yes but he mostly uses one style of martial art. I doubt he's as skilled as Morpheus. We shouldn't let one's powers and abilities get in the way of determining one's skill. Agent Smith pwned Morpheus due to superior strength, speed, and durability, [B]not due to superior skill. Morpheus was incredible in his fight scene with Neo.

I don't recall Wade Wilson showing much h2h skill unless your counting Weapon XI too.

Forgot about Mortal Kombat characters. What tiers would you put the MK characters in? Watchmen? [/B]

Most of the characters in the matrix only used one style of fighting but were programmed in many. The agents are the same and are also programmed with far superior strength and speed meaning their skills are further enhanced. Hence the reason Morpheus says "everyone who has stood their ground, everyone who has fought an agent has died"

Morpheus was incredible in his fight scene with Neo...Neo has no fighting experience before that scene though. If the back stories are to be considered then Morpheus would have had lots.

I explained some of the MK characters...The human characters would most likely be mixed between the 2nd set and 3rd set depending on feats within the movies. My knowledge of those films is limited to a single viewing a long time ago so I wouldn't want to get specific.

I would put the rest of the Watchmen characters (leaving out Dr Manhattan)1 tier below Ozymandias as he clearly shows his superior skill over the others.

I don't think Rorschach and Comedias are as skilled in martial arts as Nite Owl and Silk Spectre but that doesn't make them any less of a combatant.

I disagree with the agent thing. Because you are superior in strength and speed doesn't make one more skilled. Morpheus is the more skilled martial artist, Agents are just faster and stronger so they own him. I don't think Trinity is quite on Morpheus' level.

Originally posted by Darth Martin

I disagree with the agent thing. Because you are superior in strength and speed doesn't make one more skilled. Morpheus is the more skilled martial artist, Agents are just faster and stronger so they own him. I don't think Trinity is quite on Morpheus' level.

Why? She does as good a job against an upgraded agent without a weapon as Morpheus did with.

Morpheus did better IMO on a more difficult setting. There definately in the same ball park but I think there was a saying that Morpheus was the best rebel fighter ever until Neo came along.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Morpheus did better IMO on a more difficult setting. There definately in the same ball park but I think there was a saying that Morpheus was the best rebel fighter ever until Neo came along.

Can't say I've heard that.