Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK lets say Neo, WITH his powers is a 10. What is he without his powers, just his knowledge?
If you strip away his powers as in the super strength speed and agility and give him the knowledge of his styles and moves then he would still win against people like Riggs given they have normal human stats, is he the best MA? No not imo. Is he good and higher than the people I named in my previous post? Yes.
I don't recall any h2h feats from Maul and Obi.
It's been a while since I've seen those movies but I recall them being much more skilled than the comic heroes and villains in that have been named. I can't speak for everyone since I haven't seen all of their movies. There are a lot of good fighters from the Asian cinema, my favorite being Ip Man and the girl from Chocolate.
Here is one of Ip's most impressive fights against 10 black belts handpicked by General Sanpo who is also a good Martial Artists.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Check this out:I'd say these chicks are definitely 10's.
Yeah aside from the lack of gravity high flying I would place them around the top three tiers.
OK here's my attempt at a list. not gonna list a shitload of characters though.
Uber Tier (Un-Earthly Martial Artists): Li Mu Bai and Yu Shu Lien (Crouching Tiger), Junbao (Twin Warriors), Pai Mei (Kill Bill 2).
Top Tier (Greatest Martial Artists): YuLaw, Gabe Law, the Protector, Bulletproof Monk.
Second Tier (Master Martial Artists): Chin Bo (Twin Warriors), Liu Kang, Mr. Myagi, Captain Nemo.
Third Tier (Highly Skilled Martial Artists): The Transporter, Lone Wolf McQuade, Johnny Cage, Sonya Blade, Blade, Kevin (Sin City).
Fourth Tier (Trained Martial Artists): Martin Riggs, Bob Lee Swagger, Snake Plissken, Rambo.
Accomplished Fighter (Little formal training/Some Skill ): John McClane, Tyler Durden, Hartigan (Sin City), Rick O'Connell.
I didn't list any Matrix characters, too hard to place.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Also consider the fact that everyone in the Matrix knows or has heard rumors about Morpheus. Nation-wide manhunts have been formed because of him. He's known as a highly dangerous terrorist. Even Agent Smith calls him "the great and powerful Morpheus". The Merovingian refers to him as "the legendary Morpheus". Trinity gets no such treatment.
Actually he just calls him "The great Morpheus" followed by "We meet at last"
He calls the Oracle "great and powerful"
I think he's more known as a hacker than a martial arts expert within the matrix.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Well I was under the impression that Neo maybe knew more styles since Tank and Morpheus were commenting on how progressive Neo's training was coming. Just an theory. Who knows? Your probably right.
Because he was absorbing and implementing the fighting programs very quickly, considering he'd only been 'free' for a short period of time. I know. I am correct.
Originally posted by RobtardWhat an ass. 🙄
I know. I am correct.
Originally posted by jaden101I stand corrected.
Actually he just calls him "The great Morpheus" followed by "We meet at last" He calls the Oracle "great and powerful"
Originally posted by jaden101To the general public, probably just to keep them from thinking there's a superhuman within the there existence. I bet the police officers are scared shitless of him.
I think he's more known as a hacker than a martial arts expert within the matrix.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
To the general public, probably just to keep them from thinking there's a superhuman within the there existence. I bet the police officers are scared shitless of him.
Well Neo is a hacker and only knew him as a hacker before they freed him. Same with Neo only knowing Trinity as "The Trinity?...that cracked the IRS D-base?"
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK lets say Neo, WITH his powers is a 10. What is he without his powers, just his knowledge?
He would be the most knowledgeable martial artist, however, he would still be very week and probably couldn't even beat a bare knuckler like McClane. I say this because the most important aspect in fighting is conditioning. The better conditioned fighter wins 9/10. Neo is always hooked up and jacked in. I doubt he gets much exercise. Neo doesn't train because he doesn't need to. In the real world however, you need to train. I imagine his stamina and muscle memory would be very poor outside of the matrix. Imo any hardened badass will take Neo down, outside of the matrix.