Re: Hiller, Iceman and Maverick.....
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Iceman, Maverick and Cpt. Steven Hiller are on patrol one day and run across this dogfight:http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t511446.html
Hiller, piloting his F/A-18 Hornet, is in command of Maverick and Iceman, who are piloting their F-14's with Slider and Goose. Hiller sees the alien craft and orders a retreat before the 4 way dogfight combatants see them.
Too late.
Ironman, Jango, Star scream and Vader, all at once, turn their attention to Hiller and his two wingmen.
Hiller, Iceman and Maverick are on the run. They are over a vast desert, with narrow canyons all around. Can they escape and report back to base?
To make things fair, all aircraft here have the same top speed, all are fully fueled and armed, and there are no shields.
Even with the same top speed. The quintet has way more firepower and durability. Hiller and company maybe able to beat a retreat, but its a long shot.
Things might be more fair if Hiller and company got Alien Fighter or if everybody got the same aircraft. Just a thought.
Re: Re: Hiller, Iceman and Maverick.....
See, this is the issue. We know that one side can win in a stomp here, so gimping that side until it loses proves what? That they can lose if they're gimped enough.
Fights where one character/side is way overpowered over the other shouldn't be done at all(or only done very intelligently), as that winning-side can only go down, while the losing-side can only go up.
It turns into 'how far do we need to gimp until the winning-side loses' debate. This is of course not taking into account someone of particularly high imagination and match making skill.
Re: Re: Re: Hiller, Iceman and Maverick.....
Originally posted by Robtard
See, this is the issue. We know that one side can win in a stomp here, so gimping that side until it loses proves what? That they can lose if they're gimped enough.Fights where one character/side is way overpowered over the other shouldn't be done at all(or only done very intelligently), as that winning-side can only go down, while the losing-side can only go up.
It turns into 'how far do we need to gimp until the winning-side loses' debate. This is of course not taking into account someone of particularly high imagination and match making skill.
Well according to Rogue Jedi. He was going for pilot skill vs pilot skill. Which seems like a reasonable question. Which is why I suggested putting everybody in the same aircraft or at least more comperable craft.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hiller, Iceman and Maverick.....
Originally posted by Nightstick
Well according to Rogue Jedi. He was going for pilot skill vs pilot skill. Which seems like a reasonable question. Which is why I suggested putting everybody in the same aircraft or at least more comperable craft.
That's fine and it was done; the gimped side still won, as Starscream outclasses them in piloting, as does Vader, arguably. There's also the issue of Iron Man being in an F-22, which is just ridiculous.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So Jedi are nothing without their weapons? No.
Duh. But they certainly are a lot less, in battle, without it, Mr. Strawman.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Captain America's shield is every bit as essential,
Lie.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
iconic
To the fan, yes.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
and integral to his fighting style,
Lie.
Fact is, Captain America has fought many long hard battles without his shield. In fact, during his first days, he didn't even have it.
Sure, his shield is very important and it helps him win many fights.
However, he can certainly can fight almost as well, unless under fire.
Originally posted by Robtard
The second sentence is not true.
If I were to assume where AC was coming from, Captain America's shield may be resistant, perfectly, to a light saber. Removing both the shield and the light saber in effect "nulls" their respective "weapons".
BTW, "it" in my post refers to that special shield. Had I meant a shield, period, I would have said the following:
" he didn't even have a shield."
Originally posted by dadudemon
Duh. But they certainly are a lot less, in battle, without it, Mr. Strawman.Lie.
To the fan, yes.
Lie.
Fact is, Captain America has fought many long hard battles without his shield. In fact, during his first days, he didn't even have it.
Sure, his shield is very important and it helps him win many fights.
However, he can certainly can fight almost as well, unless under fire.
No, not "Lie".
We're discussing the movies.
-AC
Originally posted by Impediment
Okay. I've had 5 PM's from 3 people about this. Let me see if I have this straight:Sadako says: RJ is not adhering to MVF rule #7 by changing the scenarios of the fight/race in mid-thread.
AC says: Spite.
RJ says: Who would win in this survival race? The humans in their fighter jets, or the other team?
Am I right?
Just to chime in, here is my opinion on the thread, thus far:
All three human pilots are blown to shit. Starscream is an alien robot who can travel through f*cking space. There is no G-Force factor with him, I imagine, since he, apparently, is not affected by inertia. At least, not in the cognizant sense, I presume. Iron Man has superior air agility and some pretty heinous firepower (one lil' rocket blew up a tank and his Uni-beam conquers.), and, personally, I really don't feel the need to even mention the other two contenders.
I would greatly appreciate it if ALL 3 of you (Sadako, AC, and RJ) would respond to this query. Not in PM Land, I mean. Just quote me and post it here.
Wow that more or less sums that up for me. 😄
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They shouldn't "wail", they should either accept the conditions or not post at all. If no MVF rules are being broken, then their "wailing" is a moot point.I start all my threads with a certain set of conditions. If I **** up and misjudge the playing field, then I am completely open to any and all thoughts on new conditions, or altering the current ones. Rob knows this. sadako knows this. Or, of it is obvious right away a certain side wins, then I am also open to new conditions to create an even playing field. This comes in handy when I rush making a thread and don't think things through, making it one sided by mistake.
This thread, it is as close as we can get to an even playing field, that's why I handicapped SS and crew.
Dude that you change rules/scenarios is not in dispute.
Its just that you almost exclusively use them to YOUR own ends.
Over and over within a thread until a win for the gimped, superior, win every time logically, side exist as a ball for you to angrily bat forever and ever.
This and the Harry Potter vs SW thread are truly epic examples of this.
Ifyou knew there a was an amusing level of disparity between the capabilities of either side, then stick it in the Mismatch thread where your idea could entertain, rather than infuriate.
The world would be a marginally better place then.
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Originally posted by RobtardI hope the last part was sarcasm haermm
That's fine and it was done; the gimped side still won, as Starscream outclasses them in piloting, as does Vader, arguably. There's also the issue of Iron Man being in an F-22, which is just ridiculous.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I see....Well, if IM's F22 is destroyed, he can eject and use his suit ✅
I say put Ironman on the opposite team of SS. They would balance themselves out, me thinks.
Ironman tried his hardest not to destroy the F-22s, and he ended up destroying one and almost got the other. In Ironman, they at least "found" Ironman with their uber sensors that exist in real life, adding to a bit more realism than Tranformers. IMO, Ironman is deadlier against F-22s than SS, only because Ironman did so well against them while NOT trying to harm them. lulz?