Kain runs a Gauntlet

Originally posted by Burning thought
zomg! base power of 150! you dont say!! 🙄 Moocow that is one of the poorest arguments you have stated so far. He just went still and gray, that does not mean he is made out of stone just because he resembles the colour.....

oh so your argument is shown as the blunder that it is, your stating Kains magic is not powerful enough, not magic in general, which is not the point. my question was, has the shield actually stopped magic.

Not really, more intellectual members, especially myself disagree with the Spartans beating Kain. Your argument is weak, I will leave you in your confusion about characters you dont know much of and wait until someone with more clue over Spartans debates in their favour or those with some sense who can see Kain beating them will take one of the other characters in the gauntlet to debate.

Pokemon Fire Red Pokedex on Gyrados: It has an extremely aggressive nature. The Hyper Beam it shoots from its mouth totally incinerates all targets.

It doesn't have to. Kain cannot break the shield. Better things have tried.

I know enough of Spartans to know that Kain cannot hurt them, and they cannot hurt themselves. Keep insulting my intelligence, it makes me laugh.

Did BT just include himself as an intellectual?

And yeah. BT, to put that in perspective, from the pokedex.
"It has an extremely aggressive nature. The Hyper Beam it shoots from its mouth totally incinerates all targets. "

Edit: DAMN YOU MOO, YOU SNIPED ME.

🙂

You find that on Serebii?

Bulbapedia.

Mewtwoi can teleport too. not to mention that he can stop kain before kain realizes the match has begun.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Pokemon Fire Red Pokedex on Gyrados: It has an extremely aggressive nature. The Hyper Beam it shoots from its mouth totally incinerates all targets.

It doesn't have to. Kain cannot break the shield. Better things have tried.

I know enough of Spartans to know that Kain cannot hurt them, and they cannot hurt themselves. Keep insulting my intelligence, it makes me laugh.

i asked for feats not a hyperbolic statement.

Seems not in your argument so far. Kain tells M2 to lower his shield with his own mind powers.

I dont have to insult anything, no you dont know anything about Spartans or Kain.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
Mewtwoi can teleport too. not to mention that he can stop kain before kain realizes the match has begun.

Prove this, show M2 stopping an destroying an entity quickly.

That's not hyperbolic statement, Gyarados is known, and listed, all through out ithe pokedex for destroyign cities and mountains when it's pissed.

BT you have used Kain stopping someone in time and killing them. never back up the claim. then you say kain can tk whoever and kill them. now when someone uses your tactic against you, you want proof. Mewtwo thinks faster than a super computer. he broke alakazam's hold on its on spoons. alakazam telekinesis surpasses kains. mewtwo lifted an entire herd of tauros. they were helpless. kain's body is not a better specimen than a tauros. he is not faster than a supercomputer. he is stopped and he is killed. How is depending on mewtwo.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
BT you have used Kain stopping someone in time and killing them. never back up the claim. then you say kain can tk whoever and kill them. now when someone uses your tactic against you, you want proof. Mewtwo thinks faster than a super computer. he broke alakazam's hold on its on spoons. alakazam telekinesis surpasses kains. mewtwo lifted an entire herd of tauros. they were helpless. kain's body is not a better specimen than a tauros. he is not faster than a supercomputer. he is stopped and he is killed. How is depending on mewtwo.

I back up the claim every time with the same old site people who debate with me have seen every time, the move is quite clearly shown.

Theres no tactic against me that I would use.

yeh, TK surpasses Kain, I never said any diffrent, show me where I said Kains Tk surpasses m2?

M2 cannot call upon his power at the speed of his mind however, he does not fire his powers as fast as a super computer, he concentrates.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
Mewtwoi can teleport too. not to mention that he can stop kain before kain realizes the match has begun.

Mewtwo doesn't have teleport in canon.

Kain can literally do nothing to MewTwo, who'll simply set up a barrier powerful enough to survive direct attacks from Mew.

Kain's slower than MewTwo, who's faster than the effortlessly mach 2 Dragonite.

MewTwo can control global weather patterns effortlessly, move islands with TK, erase the memories of Pokemon with psychic powers beyond anythign Kain has ever seen.

He's physicly stronger and more durable than Kain too.

Kain can do nothing. MewTwo will erase his memories, disable his powers, rip him apart or crush him with TK. If Kain tries to tleeport, MewTwo's already disabled it, he tries to Mist, MewTwo TK's his mist back into the shape of Kain's body and puppets him for lulz before disassembling his molecules.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kain's slower than MewTwo, who's faster than the effortlessly mach 2 Dragonite.

Before anything is said about this being "flight" or "travel" speed, Mewtwo can learn 'Aerial Ace', which is described as "An extremely speedy and unavoidable attack". While "Unavoidable" is counted out since it's a no-limit fallacy in a debate such as this, this move does indeed put Mewtwo above Kain in speed, who's barely peak human in his best speed feat.

"Extremely speedy" in the Pokémon universe is pretty speedy.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kain can literally do nothing to MewTwo, who'll simply set up a barrier powerful enough to survive direct attacks from Mew.

Kain's slower than MewTwo, who's faster than the effortlessly mach 2 Dragonite.

MewTwo can control global weather patterns effortlessly, move islands with TK, erase the memories of Pokemon with psychic powers beyond anythign Kain has ever seen.

He's physicly stronger and more durable than Kain too.

Kain can do nothing. MewTwo will erase his memories, disable his powers, rip him apart or crush him with TK. If Kain tries to tleeport, MewTwo's already disabled it, he tries to Mist, MewTwo TK's his mist back into the shape of Kain's body and puppets him for lulz before disassembling his molecules.

False, kain would be next to m2 with one teleport who wouldnt even know Kain is there until the sword is in his head.

That last bit is false, because M2 cannot seem to control the mind of anything more than a young woman, Kain has seen and passively defeated the psy powers of a vamp who could control small armies of older soldiers and priests.

not likely durable, what leads you to thinking that?

M2 will try to erase his memories and end up going unconcious with the strain only to have Kain overpower his mind and take him over. He will take his 1/2 second process of concentration and by the end of it Kain will be behind him, his power wil be useless and his body sliced in half.

The whole idea of M2 in this forum is based on childhood fantasies, the real canon M2 has motly impressive physical feats, nothing more.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Before anything is said about this being "flight" or "travel" speed, Mewtwo can learn 'Aerial Ace', which is described as "An extremely speedy and unavoidable attack". While "Unavoidable" is counted out since it's a no-limit fallacy in a debate such as this, this move does indeed put Mewtwo above Kain in speed, who's barely peak human in his best speed feat.

"Extremely speedy" in the Pokémon universe is pretty speedy. [/B]

Only Canon M2 is supposed to be allowed, not what the player can teach him....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Only Canon M2 is supposed to be allowed, not what the player can teach him....

It is canon. Although if TM/HM is allowed or not, that's up to the OP. It's canon still. Usable is a different story though.

The move may be canon but if you have to Teach m2 it, then its not canon to m2, since M2 in the actual canon does not learn things on a players whim.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain kills most of the gauntlet with ease, before reaching M2 he kills Trance Kuja then assaults M2, Kains no good like most characters against beings of incredible psy power that can react within an instant whch is why he would lose the majority against Starkiller who he would take a few wins using mist, thing is M2 apprently manipulated the weather on a global scale so Kain loses at M2, hes the only one in the gauntlet to pose a threat however.

THIS WAS NOT EDITED THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE.

Yes indeed, i changed my mind ,you see I like you must have had the base value idea that M2 can instantly use powers to destroy and stop kain at every level but the truth i found out by wathcing a few Pokemon movie vids on youtube is that he has to concentrate for a good while (second or two, dependong on the ability) before an effect happens.

M2 has powerful TK i give him that, but Ive learnt from other members that his actual inner mind powers, e.g. against the minds o other beings are a lot to be desired, perhaps with all his intellgience and psy power, his violent and hostile nature takes away from his potential of being a true mind invader/conquerer.

Originally posted by Burning thought
that he has to concentrate for a good while (second or two, dependong on the ability) before an effect happens.

Excuse me? 😐 Which moves are you looking at?

YouTube video

0:24.5-0.26.5

2 seconds to break a glass container about his height.

at 0.54 M2 is seen glowing, presumerably started before we see him since he is already powering up and by 0.56/57 he has cracked a couple of tubes...hardly impressive tbh, its not until 1.01 he unleashes a great deal of power, which makes me belive he has to concentrate for a fair deal before he deals any major damage.

at 2.13 he is hit by a ball that is a display that obvioulsy his reaction time is not as impressive as one would want it to be.

he was just born. that video proves his awesomeness. as of the second mewtwo movie he surpassed mew because his powers kept growing.