Darkseid (pre Final Crisis) vs Black Adam

Originally posted by Enyalus
🙁 My first reaction was to deny that.

Then I gave it more thought, and realized in a non-PIS forum setting, Superman would outrun Darkseid's beams. And DS needs the finder beams to use even his Omega Sanction, so...

You're right, and I'll switch my opinion about a non PIS Supes/DS fight.

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman chooses not to use T-Vo against Darkseid.

I CALL PIS!!!!!!

haha that was good Bat, I admit it

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm just saying, at a certain point, you have to admit a character is just that good. He might not win every time, but he is certainly that good or powerful.
And it's not just with Superman, it's with a lot of characters.
If, cross company aside,[just plucking up two names] powerless Jason Todd took down Captain America down pretty much every time they went heads up over the next decade, you couldn't really argue with his ability to get the job done.
We don't debate pure power-sets, that's only part of the puzzle, we debate the characters themselves. Greater power-set helps, it doesn't always win.

I agree to a point. However, if there was a movie that had sequal after sequal showing St. Francis High School taking on the Steelers and winning everytime. Do I say they are just that good or do I call BS for the sake of a movie?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree to a point. However, if there was a movie that had sequal after sequal showing St. Francis High School taking on the Steelers and winning everytime. Do I say they are just that good or do I call BS for the sake of a movie?

Oh, and the coaches would likely end up in the NFL somewhere.

And the players would be tested for steroids.

Originally posted by Allankles
Marvel and/or Black Adam can give Superman a lot to handle, that doesn't necessary mean that Superman is not superior, or is holding back.

It's seems like a radical concept to some to consider someone your peer and yet be that bit stronger, faster and more durable.

All this merely shows is that the man is fallible.

People seem to forget that Marvel holds back alot especially against Superman.

KuRuPT Thanosi, stop the trolling. Contribute to the discussion or stop posting in this thread. Thanks.

Originally posted by Badabing
KuRuPT Thanosi, stop the trolling. Contribute to the discussion or stop posting in this thread. Thanks.

Originally posted by Allankles
You have a point. But Superman's power set does support the accumulation of power over time. It's been demonstrated on panel with KC Supes and regular Supes (KC being older).

And by possible future stories like DC 1 million, where current Superman has evolved into an even more powerful being ( the original Superman Prime), becoming the source of power for all the Superman's in the superman dynasty (including descendants like Superman 1 million).

I know. I'm arguing against DC's unexplained powering up characters. after all Superman is a unit of measurement in DCU. He gets stronger the rest of characters get stronger just to be in line

Originally posted by Juntai
This is a singular medium we debate, however, not a separate entity. If the St Francis high ACTUALLY went and beat the Steelers several times. .[assuming they played somehow] well, a lot of those players would get drafted once they were eligible. And Cleveland fans would have ammo forever.

I'm talking players in the "Rudy" mold where they are clearly inferior physically to College or Pro players and yet somehow through "teamwork" and for the sake of a feel good movie win. You wouldn't sit there and go... hmmmm that stinks of a little BS and isn't very logical this person/team would win and clearly happened for the sake of storyline? Your saying power sets aren't everything but really they are a crucial part of how we debate on KMC. We take into account PIS and CIS and who really should beat who based on power sets. When I see Supes beating Mandrakk or any Monitor or even DS sometimes (who forgets most of his powers but I can see Supes winning some) I think... well that shouldn't have happened but whatever it's Supes. It seems you go... well he just changed his mindset and forget that really he shouldn't be beating this person in a PIS and CIS free environment. So, to be clear, you view Supes wins over Mageddon, Mandrakk, COIE Monitor or insert universal threat here ___ as him just changing his mind and not that he probably shouldn't have won that fight.

Originally posted by Badabing
KuRuPT Thanosi, stop the trolling. Contribute to the discussion or stop posting in this thread. Thanks.

Whoa, How am I trolling?

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman chooses not to use T-Vo against Darkseid.

I CALL PIS!!!!!!

Heh! Anyway the point is Superman and Darkseid always brawl. When DS lands his beams Superman doesn't win.

As you said, his beams should not be downplayed and Superman has tanked some variant of his OB's, in those instances Supes didn't win the fight, but was merely stopped - prevented from mounting his offense, other times it's either pinned him down or ko'd him.

Originally posted by Allankles
You have a point. But Superman's power set does support the accumulation of power over time. It's been demonstrated on panel with KC Supes and regular Supes (KC being older).

And by possible future stories like DC 1 million, where current Superman has evolved into an even more powerful being ( the original Superman Prime), becoming the source of power for all the Superman's in the superman dynasty (including descendants like Superman 1 million).

👆 Agreed

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm talking players in the "Rudy" mold where they are clearly inferior physically to College or Pro players and yet somehow through "teamwork" and for the sake of a feel good movie win. You wouldn't sit there and go... hmmmm that stinks of a little BS and isn't very logical this person/team would win and clearly happened for the sake of storyline? Your saying power sets aren't everything but really they are a crucial part of how we debate on KMC. We take into account PIS and CIS and who really should beat who based on power sets. When I see Supes beating Mandrakk or any Monitor or even DS sometimes (who forgets most of his powers but I can see Supes winning some) I think... well that shouldn't have happened but whatever it's Supes. It seems you go... well he just changed his mindset and forget that really he shouldn't be beating this person in a PIS and CIS free environment. So, to be clear, you view Supes wins over Mageddon, Mandrakk, COIE Monitor or insert universal threat here ___ as him just changing his mind and not that he probably shouldn't have won that fight.

However, if [insert threat] showed up as a regular villain and ran into Superman and caught beat-downs or every so often for a decade, or were shown as peers, regardless of how they're portrayed in other books, yeah, I'd say Superman is that good.

Power-set isn't everything, a characters power level itself is just as important. Iron Man's array of options is vastly greater than World War Hulk, how do you feel that fight goes down? How about Cyborg [Titans] vs Doomsday?

A characters prowess in battle is just as important as those two. What many street levelers do with minor powers, is typically less than what Bruce Wayne accomplishes without, because his fighting prowess is simply higher.

This is why we debate overall characters, and not just power-sets.

The comics, the stories within, the feats they accomplish are our guide in these endeavors.

Coincidentally, random Green Lantern of space sector 6672 [random numbers I pulled up.] has a power-set greater than Superman. Guess who'd win that fight?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Whoa, How am I trolling?

Originally posted by Badabing
By making posts which appear designed to incite hostile reactions from self. dur

Uh huh. Back on Topic.

Black Adam Speedblitzes DS into a persistent vegan state with a roundhouse to the facial features delivered at FTL speed

Originally posted by Allankles
Omega beams BA couldn't dodge them even if he wanted,

Black Adam can ride the lightning which travels throuhg dimensions to evade Darkseids omega beams.
That is one of the Many gifts From Aton to his Champion.

Originally posted by Allankles Omega Effect - really, no one without a reality warping will should be able to stand up to the "total wipe-out", erasure from existence. [/B]

I doubt The Omega Effect has the desired effect on Magic Users like Etrigan/ BA/ Raven/ Stranger.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not good examples, there was a lot of characters and a lot of other variables at play in many of those scenarios.

However, if [insert threat] showed up as a regular villain and ran into Superman and caught beat-downs or every so often for a decade, or were shown as peers, regardless of how they're portrayed in other books, yeah, I'd say Superman is that good.

Power-set isn't everything, a characters power level itself is just as important. Iron Man's array of options is vastly greater than World War Hulk, how do you feel that fight goes down? How about Cyborg [Titans] vs Doomsday?

A characters prowess in battle is just as important as those two. What many street levelers do with minor powers, is typically less than what Bruce Wayne accomplishes without, because his fighting prowess is simply higher.

This is why we debate overall characters, and not just power-sets.

The comics, the stories within, the feats they accomplish are our guide in these endeavors.

Coincidentally, random Green Lantern of space sector 6672 [random numbers I pulled up.] has a power-set greater than Superman. Guess who'd win that fight?

Okay to go slightly off topic

Random Lantern 6672 would turn Supes into a toaster f.t.w.

Originally posted by shiv
Uh huh. Back on Topic.

Black Adam Speedblitzes DS into a persistent vegan state with a roundhouse to the facial features delivered at FTL speed

Originally posted by shiv
Okay to go slightly off topic

Random Lantern 6672 would turn Supes into a toaster f.t.w.

You're Welcome.

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Having looked at Darkseid and Black Adam's physical strengths and weaknesses specifically Orion making Darksied Bleed Its unlikely DS could survive a prolonged confrontation with a character who hits with considerably more brute force than his son