Darkseid (pre Final Crisis) vs Black Adam

Originally posted by carver9
I also agree about the stepping up thing but I think you all are taking it out of context. Superman ALWAYS hold back (on some occasions he let loose). When Superman pull crazy feats, I think of it as him basically using his full potential, not getting an amp from a outside source.

The zod fight, it could be used against superman or with him. In one instance we have Zod taking superman out in like 3 panels (blitzing him which broke his jaw), then we have supes whippin his ass (I always thought of supes as being zods superior due to fighting skills). Bizarro, he could be more powerful than supes but one thing I know for sure, supes is a better fighter than bizarro which could be the reason for supes better showing against zod.

Bizarro always have terrible showings, its just who he is, rhino junior but power wise, we havent seen a limit yet. Superman even questions his powers against bizarro and rely on plot devices to stop him.

Superman holds back against Bizarro, Russian Zod did not, and crushed Bizarro repeatedly, without effort.

Bizzarro is an idiot

Originally posted by Juntai
Zod flying in and sucker punching him and breaking his jaw was merely the 'introduce the new baddie' moment, in their straight up fight at the end of that series, Supes whipped his ass, while draining under a red sun.

Superman holds back against Bizarro, Russian Zod did not, and crushed Bizarro repeatedly, without effort.

Cant argue with this because its a true statement but physically, Bizarro has proven that he can only be beaten by plot device and nothing more.

Magic doesnt even hardly work against bizarro. He's physically above supes and a lot of other people. Give him another brain and he'll mess the jla up.

Originally posted by shiv
Bizzarro is an idiot

I agree, a complete idiot, but hes powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
Cant argue with this because its a true statement but physically, Bizarro has proven that he can only be beaten by plot device and nothing more.

Magic doesnt even hardly work against bizarro. He's physically above supes and a lot of other people. Give him another brain and he'll mess the jla up.

Originally posted by carver9
Cant argue with this because its a true statement but physically, Bizarro has proven that he can only be beaten by plot device and nothing more.

Magic doesnt even hardly work against bizarro. He's physically above supes and a lot of other people. Give him another brain and he'll mess the jla up.

Originally posted by carver9
Cant argue with this because its a true statement but physically, Bizarro has proven that he can only be beaten by plot device and nothing more.

Magic doesnt even hardly work against bizarro. He's physically above supes and a lot of other people. Give him another brain and he'll mess the jla up.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
😂

I guess you never read the comic where bizarro actually had some common sense huh?

Originally posted by Juntai
False. Zod crushed him, physically. Without effort. Repeatedly.

I already agreed with this, Bizarro is a complete moron. He has been thrashed throughout his entire career so why wouldnt someone as powerful as Zod crush him.

Like I said before, give him a brain, it'll be a different story.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Are you forealz?

I was just playing about the jla thing but the top portion, I was serious. 🙁

I hate the character but he does have potential (even though we'll never see it.).

Originally posted by carver9
Give him another brain and he'll mess the jla up.

Recently he went toe to toe with current Grundy that was a good feat in my opinion.

Originally posted by kgkg
Dude 🤨

I was just playing, read above post. There are some on the jla that could one shot him (zatanna) and there are some on the jla that could stalemate him.

Read above that statement please and comment on it.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Recently he went toe to toe with current Grundy that was a good feat in my opinion.

Current Grundy sucks and both of them are plain retarded. I know of the fight but I made sure not to buy it.

Current Grundy went toe to toe with Etrigan

Originally posted by iceman24567
Current Grundy went toe to toe with Etrigan

Isnt grundy immune to almost all magical base attacks and from my knowledge (might lost this ability) doesnt Grundy also get an AMP from magical attacks.

Grundy is built to fight people like Etrigan. If you look at his other showings, hes crap.

Originally posted by carver9
Isnt grundy immune to almost all magical base attacks and from my knowledge (might lost this ability) doesnt Grundy also get an AMP from magical attacks.

Grundy is built to fight people like Etrigan. If you look at his other showings, hes crap.

Grundy is not crap. He even broke Alan's Lantern.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Grundy is not crap. He even broke Alan's Lantern.

I keep thinking of his fights with peek humans and low metas. 🙁

I admit, he have SOME good showings and he has some just outright terrible showings.

I'll put him on the things level (average grundy).

The most powerful grundy, if thats the one you're talking about; the one that thrashed the jla with ease, then yes, he's a beast.

edit

within the world of COMICS, superman > ALL [when need be.] he's DC's poster child. he simply accomplishes whatever task needs to be done, with no real explanation ever needing to be given, other than, "it's superman" - and fans have come to accept and expect this.

but within the realm of KMC [ie. a PIS/CIS free community] superman is going to get annihilated by most of the higher-ups he's beaten over the years, based mainly on the sheer scope of power they displayed, in comparison to his [ie. imperiex, mageddon, monitor, etc.]