Originally posted by shiv
You're Welcome..
.Having looked at Darkseid and Black Adam's physical strengths and weaknesses specifically Orion making Darksied Bleed Its unlikely DS could survive a prolonged confrontation with a character who hits with considerably more brute force than his son
ummmmm imo BA doesnt beat DS as DS operates on a higher level n scale. h2h only... would be a decent fight
IMO This is how it should go down if DS Lashed out with an OE attack in a Neutral Comic.
Zehuti does his magic. BA Rides Atons dimension portal outta there. Then Back again.
Big Flash The Panel goes white..
.The ink returns to the Panel
DS's jaw drops.
BA floors him with an Uppercut.
-Or- Depending on BA's mental state. He chooses to meet DS's gaze with Mehen and Shu knowing Aton's force of Creation within his being will rejuvenate/retcon him as it rejuvenated Albert Rothstein..
DS succumbs to eye fatigue
Then BA looking like The Mean Machine on IV slowly begins to shake his head from side to side and rips his head clean off his shoulders with a flying Headbutt.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol. That was still pretty funny. I lol'd hard.Well, Superman still sucks. He was one shotted by Konvict and Thor would stop his ass.
Wait. Oh shit. Don't ban me. shocklaugh
😆
i can't ban someone for wishful thinking. biscuits
Originally posted by shiv
You know this how?
by reading both the comic and the rules.
Gatorade can solve your short term energy requirements
gatorade will get rid of the ridiculousness of people's posting too?
Your fanboy is showing
lulz. that the best you can do? let he who is without sin, etc...
Originally posted by shiv
IMO This is how it should go down if DS Lashed out with an OE attack in a Neutral Comic.Zehuti does his magic. BA Rides Atons dimension portal outta there. Then Back again.
Big Flash The Panel goes white..
.The ink returns to the Panel
DS's jaw drops.
BA floors him with an Uppercut.
-Or- Depending on BA's mental state. He chooses to meet DS's gaze with Mehen and Shu knowing Aton's force of Creation within his being will rejuvenate/retcon him as it rejuvenated Albert Rothstein..
DS succumbs to eye fatigue
Then BA looking like The Mean Machine on IV slowly begins to shake his head from side to side and rips his head clean off his shoulders with a flying Headbutt.
Sarcasm much?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummmm nothing to do with holding back at all really. On panel words and actions prove that supes considers Marvel his equal and in some cases even talked up Marvel because of his magical abilities. So, it's not a holding back issue but that is just how DC views them, which has been shown over and over again. However, we know that BA basically owns Marvel and yet people say Supes walks through BA... the same BA who trashes Marvel and has the same magical advantage... lol right.
Im not sure what people your talking about but supes has never walked through black adam. Its always been a good fight between the two.
Originally posted by Philosophía
As Juntai once put it, Superman calls lots of people his equals, until he decides he's not and outperforms them all.
Pretty much, there are many heros and anti heros at supermans base level. until he gets a sundip or starts to rage then his stats go through the roof. I cant think of a comic book character in D.C that has such a increasment in strength as superman when hes is bloodlusted or massive pissed.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm arguing that Superman's powerlevel fluctuates depending on his mindset, so much that he can go from having high difficulties against one person (Imperiex Probes) to completly plowing through them en-masse and being suggested as capable of defeating a foe previously capable of easily defeating him and the Justice League (Doomsday). This goes in line with what was earlier established in the arc that Superman limits himself and that he can make his power 'surge' in the heat of the battle and that Superman subconsciously regulates his powerlevel. It's not so much as 'willing it' as it is to him changing his mindset and having his powerlevel and battle performance increase.
You need to correct this post; lets not even bring up what the probes fell to throughout that arc. A small bomb killed a probe that was generated from Louis father and Black lightning.
Superman and Doomsday defeating them probes so easy wasnt a high showing for the, it was a low showing for the probes. Hell, diana mother killed two probes by ramming a ship into there heads decapitating them.
The probes wasnt as strong as the first probe that supes fought in space with mongul.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's obviously referring to their Pre-Crisis races. They have no other encounters?Superman flat out refers to their races, and Barry states those were far charity, which they were? Was it a recton? Who knows?
I'm not arguing with that. I know that. Just saying that according to that book he held back. That's all.
Thats a precrisis feat that they're bringing up that is irrelevant to current supes since he has been tonned down sooooo much. If we use current races that they have had, flash>>>>>Supes when it comes to speed.
Lets not even bring up the speed that was mentioned throughout both, recent arcs.
Lets not even bring up the last race they had when flash cranked it up to light speed and left supes in a blur.
Originally posted by zeel
Pretty much, there are many heros and anti heros at supermans base level. until he gets a sundip or starts to rage then his stats go through the roof. I cant think of a comic book character in D.C that has such a increasment in strength as superman when hes is bloodlusted or massive pissed.
Was the supes that fought diana at a rage?
Originally posted by carver9Actually, he brought it up. Don't get it twisted.
Thats a precrisis feat that they're bringing up that is irrelevant to current supes since he has been tonned down sooooo much. If we use current races that they have had, flash>>>>>Supes when it comes to speed.Lets not even bring up the speed that was mentioned throughout both, recent arcs.
Lets not even bring up the last race they had when flash cranked it up to light speed and left supes in a blur.
The speed feats are also sort of ambiguous, and vary showing to showing.
Bizarro raced evenly with Zoom for an entire issue.
[reverse character parody of the Flash/Superman races]
Zoom > Flash.
Superman > Bizarro.
But, I agree, Flash is faster, typically, and rightfully so.
Originally posted by carver9He wasn't in control.
Was the supes that fought diana at a rage?
However, if you read the Booster Gold issue, that dealt with - if Blue Beetle never found Max Lord, and Max Lord hadn't been killed, Superman would have defeated Diana, and everyone else and took over Earth.
And this was NOT an alternate timeline, the issues tell us as much, it was the current time-line, with the change of Blue Beetle's death.
Either way, Diana didn't beat Superman, she merely slowed him down till she found a way out of it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Actually, he brought it up. Don't get it twisted.The speed feats are also sort of ambiguous, and vary showing to showing.
Bizarro raced evenly with Zoom for an entire issue.
[reverse character parody of the Flash/Superman races]
Zoom > Flash.
Superman > Bizarro.But, I agree, Flash is faster, typically, and rightfully so.
I remember the race that you're talking about with zoom and its a great showing for bizarro but didnt supes admitted that bizarro is>him physically?
If it wasnt for his mental state he could possibly kill him.
Originally posted by carver9Disagreed, there's a lot of evidence and feats to the contrary of Bizarro being superior.
I remember the race that you're talking about with zoom and its a great showing for bizarro but didnt supes admitted that bizarro is>him physically?If it wasnt for his mental state he could possibly kill him.
Like using the armored Zod as an example.
In one of the one-shots, he was crushing Bizarro over and over for practice, and by the end of that arc, Superman was matching Zod, under a red sun. While Zod was full powered under it.
etc
etc
etc.
Which is of course, yet another example of Superman stepping it up. 😉
Originally posted by Juntai
He wasn't in control.However, if you read the Booster Gold issue, that dealt with - if Blue Beetle never found Max Lord, and Max Lord hadn't been killed, Superman would have defeated Diana, and everyone else and took over Earth.
And this was NOT an alternate timeline, the issues tell us as much, it was the current time-line, with the change of Blue Beetle's death.
Either way, Diana didn't beat Superman, she merely slowed him down till she found a way out of it.
I agree and it was a good showing for her but superman wasnt controlled, he was tricked which caused him to go into that rage that he was in.
I also agree with supes taking over the world because honestly, what hero would kill superman. Captain Marvel was going to give in to eclipso due to not wanting to hurt superman body when she took it over.
Superman is the emblem of the world; people would die for him. I dont think him taking over the world would be only on power alone because there are hundreds of people on the planet that could take him down due to them being more powerful.
Originally posted by Juntai
Disagreed, there's a lot of evidence and feats to the contrary of Bizarro being superior.Like using the armored Zod as an example.
In one of the one-shots, he was crushing Bizarro over and over for practice, and by the end of that arc, Superman was matching Zod, under a red sun. While Zod was full powered under it.etc
etc
etc.Which is of course, yet another example of Superman stepping it up. 😉
I also agree about the stepping up thing but I think you all are taking it out of context. Superman ALWAYS hold back (on some occasions he let loose). When Superman pull crazy feats, I think of it as him basically using his full potential, not getting an amp from a outside source.
The zod fight, it could be used against superman or with him. In one instance we have Zod taking superman out in like 3 panels (blitzing him which broke his jaw), then we have supes whippin his ass (I always thought of supes as being zods superior due to fighting skills). Bizarro, he could be more powerful than supes but one thing I know for sure, supes is a better fighter than bizarro which could be the reason for supes better showing against zod.
Bizarro always have terrible showings, its just who he is, rhino junior but power wise, we havent seen a limit yet. Superman even questions his powers against bizarro and rely on plot devices to stop him.