Darkseid (pre Final Crisis) vs Black Adam

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What Flash are we talking about? Post Crisis his never beaten the Flash, and it's shown that Wally West is on another level. Also, apparently back in the day, Barry Allen held back because it was charity or some sort if we count it as an indication of Pre-Crisis events.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So basically, the level of power Superman utilizes depends on his mindset. Meaning he limits himself. So in a sense, he simply stops holding back?

I mean, Superman being able to increase his power directly, by getting angrier, or having a more brutal attitude, isn't very.........logical for a lack of a better word.

Simply wondering what your pushing for.

Originally posted by Juntai
In Pre Crisis, Superman held back for Barry. 😉 It was noted on multiple occasions. Once, Superman passed ten times light speed and noted it was Barry's best. On multiple other occasions, Superman had feats far surpassing Barry Allen.

I know all of that. Tell that to John's. According to him, Barry Allen was holding back. It was just a race for charity.

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And I already told my stance in the answer to your first reply. What's the point of asking again ?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know all of that. Tell that to John's. According to him, Barry Allen was holding back. It was just a race for charity.

Originally posted by Juntai
As Superman stresses he draws in more energy and gets more powerful, it was mentioned in the Ruin arc.
His mental blocks, both conscious and unconcious have been mentioned for years as limits to his otherwise unlimited power.

As I recall, the more he stresses, the more energy he retains, from the Sun. We could use that as an explanation.

Does it apply to all Kryptonians? Logically it should.

I always viewed that it was a combination of blocks, meaning him holding back, and his ability to absorb Solar energy.

Otherwise unlimited power?

I lol'd hard. Are you serious with the unlimited part?

Originally posted by Juntai
Oh yah? Rebirth a Pre-crisis book?
😉 Really though, it doesn't matter what Barry suggested, he was talking about one race. Superman flat out showed us he was faster than Barry's max on multiple counts.

It's obviously referring to their Pre-Crisis races. They have no other encounters?

Superman flat out refers to their races, and Barry states those were far charity, which they were? Was it a recton? Who knows?

I'm not arguing with that. I know that. Just saying that according to that book he held back. That's all.

Originally posted by Philosophía
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And I already told my stance in the answer to your first reply. What's the point of asking again ?

I remembered it right.

I felt like it.

uhuh

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As I recall, the more he stresses, the more energy he retains, from the Sun. We could use that as an explanation.

Does it apply to all Kryptonians? Logically it should.

I always viewed that it was a combination of blocks, meaning him holding back, and his ability to absorb Solar energy.

Otherwise unlimited power?

I lol'd hard. Are you serious with the unlimited part?

Remember, he eventually becomes the powersource for the Superman dynasty.

Granted, that's a ways down the road, but that's the idea of unlimited, that it grows, without end.

Originally posted by Philosophía
uhuh

You got nothing to say? I thought so. uhuh

Originally posted by Juntai
Yes, Superman's power has no known limit, growing exponentially, always.

Remember, he eventually becomes the powersource for the Superman dynasty.

Neither does' Hulk's or Thor's or Silver Surfer's. Their powers have been called unlimited on different occasions. Doesn't mean their powers are truly unlimited, or we take them to be.

Yes, potentially he can become Superman Prime. Who hasn't shown that his power is unlimited, either by the way.

Originally posted by Juntai
Granted, that's a ways down the road, but that's the idea of unlimited, that it grows, without end.

Uhuh.

Yah, a lot of that is hyperbole however, I'll give you an example.

Would you say Thor, minus Odin's power, is vastly stronger than his late 80's self by feats?

Would you say Hulk, is vastly stronger than he was in the late 80s, by feats?

Now,
Would you say Superman, is stronger than he was in the late 80s?

Who's power would you say grows more, faster, and without end?

Or we can take some of the future examples of the characters, is Maestro Hulk comparable to say Superman Prime?

etc, etc.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yah, a lot of that is hyperbole however, I'll give you an example.

Would you say Thor, minus Odin's power, is vastly stronger than his late 80's self by feats?

Would you say Hulk, is vastly stronger than he was in the late 80s, by feats?

Now,
Would you say Superman, is stronger than he was in the late 80s?

Who's power would you say grows more, faster, and without end?

Superman's power has grown more during the period of time. That of course can be attributed to the fact, that after the crisis, he was a hell of a lot weaker, so of course he grew a lot more powerful.

Originally posted by Juntai
Or we can take some of the future examples of the characters, is Maestro Hulk comparable to say Superman Prime?

etc, etc.

Lulz at the alternate reality possibilities as if they are some valid measuring stick. Green Scar is already shown to be superior to Maestro as far as I can tell.

Also, Maestro Hulk, didn't travel the Universe doing god knows what until like the 800th or so century, and then spend a few centuries, in a constant Gamma Energy producing Reactor constantly growing in strength.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Yes, potentially he can become Superman Prime. Who hasn't shown that his power is unlimited, either by the way.

What kind of characters would say have unlimited power, and what is your definition of it?

Originally posted by Juntai
A lot of Prime's power was hyperbole, but the idea that his line merged with the Imps, and later down the road in the 700th Century, Superman came back and made them even more powerful than that by allowing them to access portions of his energy, speaks volumes. The intention was quite clear, and his power certainly hadn't been mentioned as having stopped growing either.

What kind of characters would say have unlimited power, and what is your definition of it?

By merging with the Imps, they got ten new abilities and so on. Nothing special. It was made quite clear his power grew exponentially. That's clear. They never showed his power being unlimited or anything of the sort. A lot of characters can be a lot more powerful potentially, but potential is just speculation in a lot of situations.

Unlimited/Infinite, gets thrown around too much in comics. As far as unlimited power, I wouldn't classify any being as having that type of power, but the truly omnipotent beings. Meaning "The One Above All" and so on.