ROTS Sidious vs Orbalisk Bane

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Furthermore, what's to stop Sidious from using the force to rip them off of Bane?

Aside from the fact that he would have to first break through Bane's force shield to even attempt it, Bane himself, a being who's displayed both greater precision and greater power over the Force, wasn't ever able to, even with the advantages of time and preperation.

I'm saying that he can't just "grab" his lightsaber in mid swing and stop it. It's not tangible. It's not a solid matter so you wouldn't be able to grab it. It a beam of energy. Can you "grab" light from a flashlight? No, you can't.

Yeah but u see.. If we are comparing lightsabers to flashlights, and one can't physically hold the flashlight beam, then why can another flashlight beam physically "touch" it?

I'm referring to the lightsabers. They should be "intangible" as you said, but since a lightsaber can be blocked by another lightsaber, what you are saying doesn't apply. If some material existed, that could also block a lightsaber beam, besides another lightsaber beam, then why couldn't that substance be used in combat? It shouldn't just pass right through the lightsaber. Star Wars isn't like that.
Think about it like having a lightsaber that extends around one's arm/hand or w/e bodypart. Then using that arm covered in laser or light or cortosis, and stopping the blade. I think its pretty concievable that Bane could do that.

If the book said that orbalisks oculd block lightsabers, then they can. You can't really argue agasint that u kno...

And ur question about where it says Bane's hands are protected, in ROT, during that last fight, It said that Bane's only weaknesses were his ankles, wrists, and head. It didn't mention hands.

a lightsaber can be blocked by another lightsaber

They also interact with normal matter- Jinn experiences resistance when trying to cut through the door. This is why bullets would bounce.

They shouldn't weigh anything either, No matter how hard they swing them, they should have exactly ZERO momentum when they connect, (If the mass part of the equation goes to zero)

However, clearly HOW HARD they swing matters a great deal.

So... We must suffice it to say that we don't understand lightsabers.

Well, the hilt has mass. And there is mass in the arm that swings it. It would be more accurate to call it something like a (theoretical) lever- it moves pressure from the hand outward without adding any mass of its own.

That would make sense, except the hand would always have to be moving in the direction of the desired force. Any change in the component is more lost momentum.

Lots of lost momentum from the simple fact that the movement of the arm is coming 3 feet from where the blow is desired too... In fact, i'm really not even sure if that is possible. That 3 feet of x component might make it impossible to transfer that momentum to y, wouldn't it?

Any change in the component is more lost momentum.

Wut?

This would allow for Dooku's strong style- the wrist motions are very precise, but Anakin's full body slashes would have more followthrough.

i'm just thinking that if you start putting 0 into different equations, the lever one, for instance, you are going to have a lot of things going to 0 that make lightsabers a bit abnormal. I mean, miniscule mass is still mass, and there is room there for the transfer of the momentum from one set of arms, through the miniscule mass, to the other set of arms.

I think... If your mass is 0, it will lose that lever function. The momentum would be lost instead of transferred.

don't quote me either... I'm supposing out loud. I could go find one of my physics books from several years back if i really wanted to know... Spanish and scene work first though...

EDIT: Nevermind, I sold my physics books, for MONEY.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Any change in the component is more lost momentum.

cause the cos of 90 degrees is 0, so the closer the angle approaches that 90, the less momentum is transferred in the desired direction. (if i remember correctly)

if im thinking all wrong, sorry. been several years.

My whole point was that a lightsaber is described as a weapon with a beam of pure concentrated energy that cut through anything save for another lightsaber, therefore Bane shouldn't be able to grab it. And saying that those were his only weaknesses could very well be hyperbole.

I mean how often does someone's hand (as opposed to their wrist) actually come into play as a target in SW (except one time for Luke just to show his robotic hand)? Its always an arm or wrist that gets cut by a saber. He might very well have orbies on the tops of his hands, but his palms? He wouldn't even be able to close his hand and make a fist if that were the case.

So no one has still yet proved that his hands are protected. Its all just been speculation.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
My whole point was that a lightsaber is described as a weapon with a beam of pure concentrated energy that cut through anything save for another lightsaber, therefore Bane shouldn't be able to grab it.

There are other materials that can stop a lightsaber, besides another lightsaber.

That's the way they were described on the OS, give or take a few words. But even the magna guards staffs had similar properties at either end.

@Whoever claims that the lightsaber will just go through like a flashlight

Then what about win Qui Gon/Obi Wan cut open that door in TPM? It takes them effort to do so, and the lightsaber didn't just go through.

What about Beskar armor? It has been shown to stop lightsabers with nothing more than a scorch mark.

Bane's orbalisks were said to be able to stop more or less anything, right?

Not saying that he wins, just saying that his orbalisks can stop lightsabers.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
@Whoever claims that the lightsaber will just go through like a flashlight

Then what about win Qui Gon/Obi Wan cut open that door in TPM? It takes them effort to do so, and the lightsaber didn't just go through.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It did go through, it just took a while to burn away the super thick door.

I said "just" as in magically pass through like an intangible object.

So then... what was your point about the door?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So then... what was your point about the door?

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
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