Yoda and 200 jedi vs the persian army

Originally posted by Robtard
-Jedi rarely if ever use blasters. In all 6 films, you can count the times Jedi used guns on one hand.

But they do have access to blasters, and the reason why they don't use blasters that often is because lightsabers often work better for them, but in this scenario blasters would arguably work better. And even without blasters, the same or at least almost the same can be accomplished with TK or even throwing their sabers 😉 and jedi don't use blasters that often in the movies, but in many books they are shown to carry around blasters as well. Heck, they could even improvise by stealing/making bows and arrows, or even making guns/blasters, although the latter would require an expert engineer to be among the jedi.

Originally posted by Robtard

-That first part made no sense. Yes, they can run away faster.

Their space age technology + their Force senses will allow them to move faster, gain the most advantageous terrain,and track the movements of the Persians.

Originally posted by Robtard

-See above, no guns.

See above

Originally posted by Robtard

-They'd probably be charging, since that's what they do, they also have thousands of arrows, ie enough to darken the sky in one volley.

"that's what they do???" in the movies, a large portion of the Persians were slaves with little motivation to fight. They were freaked out at the Spartans, so imagine what supernatural beings would do to them.

Oh, and are you sure that the "darken the sky" claim isn't hyperbole? And even if it isn't, Jedi can block, TK, or even run away.

Originally posted by Robtard

-If the Jedi run, they're exposing their backs; some will die from doing this. They can't afford to lose guys, while the Persians can.

-Arrows can catch up; quickly too.

If the Jedi are smart, they'd start running, and when the arrow volley gets close they'd stop and block/TK, and then start running again. Persian foot soldiers can't catch up.

Originally posted by Robtard

-Each time they strike, they'll likely loss some units. In the end, the Persians win due to vastly superior numbers.

To sum it up, the Jedi can kill large numbers of Persians, but 200 of them aren't taking down the whole Persian army, which was over a million strong.

To be honest, it largely depends on whether or not we allow blasters for the jedi, and the range of their TK.

But here's another tactic: Yoda gets the SW equivalent of a microphone and uses it to mind trick the Persian army. Since the movies portrays much of them as slaves, Yoda could mind trick them into fighting eachother.

Or they hide in the mountains, Persians try and climb up but Jedi combine Forces (pun sort of intended) and TK a large landslide on the Persians.

Or many other ways. Space age tech + Force powers really gives you a lot of options.

If a number of Jedi do the Jedi mind trick and turn Persians against Persians, thats uber cool.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Jeez someones testy. Fine I'll keep my opinions to myself lol.

But if you think your enemy to be more than human i don't think you're considering the full extent that would have on your morale. Especially back then when people were very susceptible to it.

But whatever, it's really not that important to me ;p

edit: It's less than 5000 to 1, since it's 200 jedi, plus Yoda, making 201

No, feel free to express them, but if they're faulty, expect them to be punched full of holes.

These are the Persians from the movie, you know.

K.

No, it's more, as there's more than a million Persians.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But they do have access to blasters, and the reason why they don't use blasters that often is because lightsabers often work better for them, but in this scenario blasters would arguably work better. And even without blasters, the same or at least almost the same can be accomplished with TK or even throwing their sabers 😉 and jedi don't use blasters that often in the movies, but in many books they are shown to carry around blasters as well. Heck, they could even improvise by stealing/making bows and arrows, or even making guns/blasters, although the latter would require an expert engineer to be among the jedi.

Their space age technology + their Force senses will allow them to move faster, gain the most advantageous terrain,and track the movements of the Persians.

See above

"that's what they do???" in the movies, a large portion of the Persians were slaves with little motivation to fight. They were freaked out at the Spartans, so imagine what supernatural beings would do to them.

Oh, and are you sure that the "darken the sky" claim isn't hyperbole? And even if it isn't, Jedi can block, TK, or even run away.

If the Jedi are smart, they'd start running, and when the arrow volley gets close they'd stop and block/TK, and then start running again. Persian foot soldiers can't catch up.

To be honest, it largely depends on whether or not we allow blasters for the jedi, and the range of their TK.

But here's another tactic: Yoda gets the SW equivalent of a microphone and uses it to mind trick the Persian army. Since the movies portrays much of them as slaves, Yoda could mind trick them into fighting eachother.

Or they hide in the mountains, Persians try and climb up but Jedi combine Forces (pun sort of intended) and TK a large landslide on the Persians.

Or many other ways. Space age tech + Force powers really gives you a lot of options.

Well, if you're going to go against the forum rules and give the Jedi things they rarely if ever use and allow them powers like "massive mind tricking through microphones" (which was hilariously stupid) that they never showed in the films, all the while gimping the Persians, sure, 200 of these non-movie Jedi can kill a million+ of gimp-Persians.

That isn't gimping. By that logic, McClane's luck factor shouldn't be taken into account because it's a non identifiable resource. All the Jedi have to do, by the way, is take away their weapons. TK for the win.

Its very very easily identifiable. Its on screen for 4 movies.

Easily as identifiable as any Jedi Power.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
That isn't gimping. By that logic, McClane's luck factor shouldn't be taken into account because it's a non identifiable resource. All the Jedi have to do, by the way, is take away their weapons. TK for the win.

No, it's gimping and your comparison makes no sense here.

Because a Jedi has ever shown the ability to TK thousands and thousands of weapons at once.

The analogy makes perfect sense. You said that the Jedi have rarely been shown to use blasters, but it is still a resouce. McClane is always vaunted as having amazing luck, but who gives a shit when luck is a vague resource here or there and not part of his skill set.

The Jedi have been shown to TK things such as Senate pods and X Wings in the films. The combined mass of the weapons on the front lines are signifigantly less than those. Also, the Jedi have precog and amazing acrobatic skills.

Yes and look how vulnerable the Jedi in question is during that period of concentration... No Lightsabre, both hands out, eyes closed at times....

Also, the Buzz Droid issue in episode 3... Not all jedi seem capable of
force manipulating multiple targets at once.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The analogy makes perfect sense. You said that the Jedi have rarely been shown to use blasters, but it is still a resouce. McClane is always vaunted as having amazing luck, but who gives a shit when luck is a vague resource here or there and not part of his skill set.

The Jedi have been shown to TK things such as Senate pods and X Wings in the films. The combined mass of the weapons on the front lines are signifigantly less than those. Also, the Jedi have precog and amazing acrobatic skills.

Name the numbers of times a Jedi has used a gun. Name the number of times a Jedi was shown carrying a gun.

Exactly, they're shown moving ONE thing at a time, when have they ever pulled thousands and thousands of different objects at once? Never. While they're trying to remove spears and swords from the front ranks, they'll be volleys and volleys of arrows coming in from the rear lines.

They dodge the arrows in a Force enhanced leap and scatter the rear guard with a strong Force push. They've done it to battle droids, and they can do it to regular humans as well. Not to mention that their lightsaber can block almost everything elses attacks.

If I recall, the Jedi did use blasters in the cartoon movies, correct me if I'm wrong. Either way, it doesn't matter if they have or haven't. PIS is off, and the Jedi have not shown a hesistation to kill or maim if they have no choice.

Why is the Jedi mind trick being ignored?

Every movie I have seen with archers, there is always someone amongst them directing their fire, like a commander type dude. Apply the Jedi mind trick to him, have him direct his fire at the Persian horde, maybe?

And IF there is a volley of arrows coming at the Jedi, then Yoda can have a designated number of them use force push to deflect the arrows. Yes, this will work, before it is dismissed. If a force push can send super battle droids flying, surely it will work on arrows.

Without the archers, the Persians have little chance of winning here, and I have just provided two perfectly good ways of nullifying the archers.

Sorry to dismiss them so abruptly, but you have overlooked a copule of things in your plans there:

Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded.

A military commander, entrusted with the lives of thousands and thousands of troops might not have the IQ of a clone/stormtrooper/Gammorean guard like level.

Where in a movie has Yoda ever shielded space large enough to cover an army of 200 people...?
(Whilst repelling thousands of ground troops simltaneously...?)

Just a theory, dude. For all we know the Persian in command of the archers is an idiot.

It would be more than just Yoda deflecting the arrows.

Hell, all it would take really is a few Jedi to be in the archers midst, cutting them down, and surely their attention will be diverted.

Another possibiity is Yoda levitating a huge boulder onto the archers. There are many ways to negate the archers from the equation.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why is the Jedi mind trick being ignored?

Every movie I have seen with archers, there is always someone amongst them directing their fire, like a commander type dude. Apply the Jedi mind trick to him, have him direct his fire at the Persian horde, maybe?

And IF there is a volley of arrows coming at the Jedi, then Yoda can have a designated number of them use force push to deflect the arrows. Yes, this will work, before it is dismissed. If a force push can send super battle droids flying, surely it will work on arrows.

Without the archers, the Persians have little chance of winning here, and I have just provided two perfectly good ways of nullifying the archers.

I just talked about mind tricks and how they could help the Jedi

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, if you're going to go against the forum rules and give the Jedi things they rarely if ever use and allow them powers like "massive mind tricking through microphones" (which was hilariously stupid) that they never showed in the films, all the while gimping the Persians, sure, 200 of these non-movie Jedi can kill a million+ of gimp-Persians.

It's not gimping, it has been shown many times that Jedi can use mind tricks. It has been stated that Yoda is very strong in the Force. It has been stated that many of the Persians (in the movie) were slaves. Logic would dictate that slaves that were forced to fight would have little motivation and would likely be weak minded.

I'll repeat, it's 201 to a 1,000,000+; no amount of silly fanboyism about Jedi mind-tricking thousands and thousands at once or the Persians just being morons is going to change that 200 can't kill over a million armed soldiers, even with their comparatively crude weapons.

No, RJ's right. The Jedi Mind Trick seemed to work on a con-artist in Episode 2. I see no reason why a mind trick wouldn't work on a field commander.

For regular humans to have resistance to Jedi Mind tricks, they had to have special training. Example of this is the Jedi Civil war.

Also, Bib Fortuna was far from an idiot. He was a very smart person. He spoke many languages and had a great education. He ran Jabba's palace, for crying out loud.

Very few of the Persian army would stand a chance. I would say that Xerxes would be able to resist it...but I don't think anyone else could. Not even that underling. (IMO, a dumber equivalent to Bib Fortuna.)

Its borderline anti-Star Wars to say a mind trick wouldn't work on a field commander that had little to no education and would be the equivalent of a retard by today's IQ standards.

If Bib Fortuna is susceptible, that makes 99%+ of the humans susceptible, too. Jabba had people killed, regularly, for small things. The fact the Bib survived for years in Jabba's palace should be a testament to how smart he was.

Now, about the arrows.

They are absolutely useless against even young padawans. Force Telekinesis is such a basic and easy technique for force users that they learn how to do it as younglings. More powerful Jedi and Sith can move multiple objects at once with no problem. The amount of effort or control that has to be employed to keep arrows off of themselves would be very insignificant. Those arrows don't weigh very much at all. They don't even have to focus too much to do it...and they wouldn't really have to look. 😐

Now, if they started launching boulders at them from catapults, that might be a different story for some of the weaker knights. However, even that shouldn't pose too much of a problem for the majority of them. In fact, that could easily be force pushed back at the other troops and it could end up working against the Persians if they used catapults.

Yoda, alone, could pick up a large object like a boulder and just start beating the troops with it like it was a cartoon. He could take out tens of thousands, completely on his own, in just a few minutes. (SOmething a tenth the mass of those senate chair thingies would do just fine, especially considering the boulder wouldn't be as dense or as large as those large metal senate seats)

Well there it is, the Jedi win. I cant believe I ever doubted them haermm

Sure, if the Jedi can do shit they've never done on film and the Persian army just sits idly by, yeah.

It took Yoda a lot on concentration to stop and then move the falling roof; it was also very slow moving the rubble. He or any Jedi attempting this rediculous "boulder attack" would leave himself/herself open to charging Persians and arrows.

A Jedi mind tricking a commander would have to be fairly close to perform that trick, he/she be killed by the hundreds or thousands of soldiers close by.

40-50 Jedi couldn't defeat a few hundred battle droids; in the end, rampant SW fanboyism/idiocy does win. Even against odds that are 5,000+ to 1.