Yoda and 200 jedi vs the persian army

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, if the Jedi can do shit they've never done on film and the Persian army just sits idly by, yeah.

This does not address anything I've stated as everything I've stated was correct.

Originally posted by Robtard
It took Yoda a lot on concentration to stop and then move the falling roof; it was also very slow moving the rubble. He or any Jedi attempting this rediculous "boulder attack" would leave himself/herself open to charging Persians and arrows.

1. They were multiple objects.

2. It was spread out over a larger area.

3. It was a massive feat of his TK ability.

4. The boulder would not be as massive.

5. It would be a single object.

6. He has plenty of Jedi to watch his back.

Originally posted by Robtard
A Jedi mind tricking a commander would have to be fairly close to perform that trick, he/she be killed by the hundreds or thousands of soldiers close by.

K.

Any Jedi force pulls the commander close, Jedi mind tricks, and throws him back. The end.

Originally posted by Robtard
40-50 Jedi couldn't defeat a few hundred battle droids; in the end, rampant SW fanboyism/idiocy does win. Even against odds that are 5,000+ to 1.

Cause a battle droid is MUCH less of a threat than a medieval human with a sword, right?

I don't think this is a case of Star Wars fanboyism. This is just another cause of Anti-Star Wars in the versus threads. What's new?

The American Colonists managed to stall and eventually defeat the British Empire using limited resources and guerrilla tactics.

Given the scenario presented in the original post, I don't see why the Jedi couldn't do the same. Even if we limit them to solid movie feats, which is really somewhat...well, not very realistic.

Against the arrows, the jedi can just run away. Remember that scene in TPM where Obi and Qui-gon run really fast, That. Aganst the Persians, well really, the persians have next to no chance, they're fighting supernatural beings that a) have weapons that will instantly cut through anything on the field. One swing would go right through a persians sword, shield, armor, body and those of his neighbour like butter. b) Know whats going to happen before it does. Alot of the 300 probably got cut down from behind, no chance of that here. And c) Can draw on the Force to increase their stamina, and these guys are already at the peak of their races physical fitness (except for Yoda, who will btw be next to unstoppable in CQC).

That my two cents.

More like ten cents haermm

During a force toss, how many Persians do you think a lightsaber could cut down?

I'm yet to see anyone give a significant or even practical defensive theory on how the Persians would defend against force push.

They wouldn't. All the Jedi would need to do is stand at the same point where the 300 fought off the horseback cavalry and the elephants and just keep force pushing and thowing Persians off the cliffs and into the sea.

Any barrage of arrows could just be force pushed away and a few jedi at the rear could constantly watch for just that type of attack.

It's said the 300 killed 10,000 on the 1st day of battle against the Persians without losing a man. I'm pretty sure 200 Jedi could do several times that quite easily.

With the right tactics the Jedi could easily destroy 1,000,000 Persians.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
During a force toss, how many Persians do you think a lightsaber could cut down?

I'm yet to see anyone give a significant or even practical defensive theory on how the Persians would defend against force push.

Many.

There is none.

Originally posted by jaden101
They wouldn't. All the Jedi would need to do is stand at the same point where the 300 fought off the horseback cavalry and the elephants and just keep force pushing and thowing Persians off the cliffs and into the sea.

Any barrage of arrows could just be force pushed away and a few jedi at the rear could constantly watch for just that type of attack.

It's said the 300 killed 10,000 on the 1st day of battle against the Persians without losing a man. I'm pretty sure 200 Jedi could do several times that quite easily.

With the right tactics the Jedi could easily destroy 1,000,000 Persians.

The 300 did so well because of the unique landscape, where the Persian's massive numbers meant nothing; this isn't that location. It's 5,000+ to 1 in a massive battlefield.

I can accept the rest being silly clowns and saying nonsense like "forcing pulling commanders and then mind tricking them", "flinging about boulders with impunity", "massive mind trick sweeps via microphones" etc., but not you.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
The American Colonists managed to stall and eventually defeat the British Empire using limited resources and guerrilla tactics.

Given the scenario presented in the original post, I don't see why the Jedi couldn't do the same. Even if we limit them to solid movie feats, which is really somewhat...well, not very realistic.

Originally posted by Robtard
The 300 did so well because of the unique landscape, where the Persian's massive numbers meant nothing; this isn't that location. It's 5,000+ to 1 in a massive battlefield.

I can accept the rest being silly clowns and saying nonsense like "forcing pulling commanders and then mind tricking them", "flinging about boulders with impunity", "massive mind trick sweeps via microphones" etc., but not you.

Originally posted by Robtard
The 300 did so well because of the unique landscape, where the Persian's massive numbers meant nothing; this isn't that location. It's 5,000+ to 1 in a massive battlefield.

I can accept the rest being silly clowns and saying nonsense like "forcing pulling commanders and then mind tricking them", "flinging about boulders with impunity", "massive mind trick sweeps via microphones" etc., but not you.

My mistake. Hadn't paid attention to the location.

This would no doubt make it far more difficult. I guess it would depend a lot on what the Jedi could utilise in the enviroment. If it was just a large flat plain with no rocks, trees etc to force throw or hide in then it could be extremely problematic for the Jedi.

The defence against arrows still applies though. I can't see any single Persian landing a sword blow on a Jedi 1 on 1. It would have to be a case of each Jedi being completely surrounding and having all opponents striking them from all directions. This would work simply due to the fact that a Jedi can't have their lightsabre at all angles to defend themselves from every direction at all times.

If the Jedi arranged themselves in a circular phalanx so that they were only being attacked from the front with a number of Jedi in the middle doing the force push defence from arrows and doing what they can in terms of offence.

So the Jedi could form their circular formation.

If the Persians follow their similar attack pattern then they would throw a load of untrained and lightly armed infantry that would simply be force thrown, pushed and lightsabre thrown to pieces and probably wouldn't even get close to the Jedi.

Then would come a barrage of arrows that could easily be defended against.

Any kind of animal could be mind tricked or tamed and used as a weapon as Obi-wan does with the creature he uses to chase down Grievous.

The magicians would get slaughtered.

The immortals would get slaughtered.

The problem for the persians is they can't use all 1,000,000 of them at a time. Once you reach the front of the circle they'd have enough room for about 2 or 3 Persians for every Jedi. They'd get hammered. The Jedi could go on like this for hours and hours. Say each Jedi killed 1 Persian every 5 seconds....that's 200 Persians every 5 seconds...2,400 Persians every minute....144,000 Persians in an hour.

7 hours makes over a million.

You think the Jedi could last 7 hours?...I think so.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What's so silly about the first two?

because it addresses the Jedi abilities and apparently anyone who does that is silly 😉

It doesn't matter where this battle takes place. The fact still remains...,the Persians would be incapable of getting into striking distance due to force push. It's hard to kill someone with a sword when you are unable to get close enough strike.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
because it addresses the Jedi abilities and apparently anyone who does that is silly 😉

Laugh it up, fuzzball....

Not onscreen abilities though, Scythe, which is what counts...
It has never been shown that Jedi can just fling boulders around with impunity. If it was a Jedi thing, we would have seen them use it a lot, a probably effortlessly.. Its more of a Sith thing, anyway to try to do that..

Force pushing a million people out of the way...?
AND covering the constant and massive arrow and spear onslaught?

I just dont think it'd be the one sided Michael Bay directed victory that some maintain here.

Did you just mistake me for the Goat?

Originally posted by jaden101
My mistake. Hadn't paid attention to the location.

This would no doubt make it far more difficult. I guess it would depend a lot on what the Jedi could utilise in the enviroment. If it was just a large flat plain with no rocks, trees etc to force throw or hide in then it could be extremely problematic for the Jedi.

The defence against arrows still applies though. I can't see any single Persian landing a sword blow on a Jedi 1 on 1. It would have to be a case of each Jedi being completely surrounding and having all opponents striking them from all directions. This would work simply due to the fact that a Jedi can't have their lightsabre at all angles to defend themselves from every direction at all times.

If the Jedi arranged themselves in a circular phalanx so that they were only being attacked from the front with a number of Jedi in the middle doing the force push defence from arrows and doing what they can in terms of offence.

So the Jedi could form their circular formation.

If the Persians follow their similar attack pattern then they would throw a load of untrained and lightly armed infantry that would simply be force thrown, pushed and lightsabre thrown to pieces and probably wouldn't even get close to the Jedi.

Then would come a barrage of arrows that could easily be defended against.

Any kind of animal could be mind tricked or tamed and used as a weapon as Obi-wan does with the creature he uses to chase down Grievous.

The magicians would get slaughtered.

The immortals would get slaughtered.

The problem for the persians is they can't use all 1,000,000 of them at a time. Once you reach the front of the circle they'd have enough room for about 2 or 3 Persians for every Jedi. They'd get hammered. The Jedi could go on like this for hours and hours. Say each Jedi killed 1 Persian every 5 seconds....that's 200 Persians every 5 seconds...2,400 Persians every minute....144,000 Persians in an hour.

7 hours makes over a million.

You think the Jedi could last 7 hours?...I think so.

While 5,000+ couldn't attack each Jedi at once, they could come in waves of spear-man, sword-men and cavalry from all angles, all the while arrows would be falling, the Persians have no problem killing their (as per Xerxes) own with arrow showers, if it kills the enemy too. So the Jedi would be attacking and defending constantly, they'd wear down and they'd slip up.

Your math relies on no Jedi dying; they would. Each time one dies, they're considerably weaker, considering the numbers the Persians can draw from.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What's so silly about the first two?

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
because it addresses the Jedi abilities and apparently anyone who does that is silly 😉

Because force pulling a commander and mind tricking him isn't feasible in the middle of a battle, the Jedi trying this would likely get killed during the attempt, as his defenses would be down. I don't think Jedi are that stupid.

The Jedi have never shown the ability to fling about large objects like a boulder with ease or great speed. It took their strongest (Yoda) a lot on concentration and the movement of the object was slow.

You talking about the X Wing, or the debris falling on Obi and Anakin? If it's the former, Yoda was old and death was at his door. If it's the latter, well, DDM already said it was multiple objects, not just one.

You are failing to remember the scene in ROTS when Obi Wan force pulled that big hunk of equipment from the ceiling onto the Magna Guards.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Laugh it up, fuzzball....

Not onscreen abilities though, Scythe, which is what counts...
It has never been shown that Jedi can just fling boulders around with impunity. If it was a Jedi thing, we would have seen them use it a lot, a probably effortlessly.. Its more of a Sith thing, anyway to try to do that..

Force pushing a million people out of the way...?
AND covering the constant and massive arrow and spear onslaught?

I just dont think it'd be the one sided Michael Bay directed victory that some maintain here.

Haha, I don't know what's going on.

Originally posted by Robtard
While 5,000+ couldn't attack each Jedi at once, they could come in waves of spear-man, sword-men and cavalry from all angles, all the while arrows would be falling, the Persians have no problem killing their (as per Xerxes) own with arrow showers, if it kills the enemy too. So the Jedi would be attacking and defending constantly, they'd wear down and they'd slip up.

Your math relies on no Jedi dying; they would. Each time one dies, they're considerably weaker, considering the numbers the Persians can draw from.

You'd have Jedi who's sole job would be defence from arrows. Attacking only in gaps between arrow barrages. Making them null and void.

Again, due to space constraints, you'd only be able to have 3 Persians attacking any 1 Jedi at a time...Regardless of whether they were sword or spear men I can't see them causing too much trouble.