Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They were coming at him from all angles, tow and three at a time and shit, it's the same.Riddick wins with a blade 10000/10.
Oh really?
It was almost completely from the front.
Pwned.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's not a counter in any way. You are using Prestons fighting with guns as a crutch, as if it has any bearing on his h2h skills. It doesnt. Pwned, get over it.
Sure it is.
You said:
Surround Preston with 45 Clerics, and throw in the fact that he has no idea of their training or fighting style, he gets pwned like a drunk cheerleadr on prom night.
There are several things wrong with this post:
1. John was surrounded by almost that many and on multiple occasions, he was literally surrounded on all sides.
2. It commits a very strange logical fallacy: neither character knows the other's training or fighting style.
3. Riddick was never surround by 45 Necros. In fact, almost every last one he approached from his front.
So, I replied with the following:
He was almost completely surrounded by 20+ clerics, each having body armor, and fully automatic assault rifles. So, we almost have that same exact scenario.
Because it was a direct counter to your point and basically said your point was crap, you replied with the following:
And Preston was armed with guns the whole time. I already acknowledged Preston pwns Riddick with guns. Stop backpedaling.
Which has nothing to do with you proposing a counter-point by saying to surround Preston with 45 Clerics when that didn't occur in the first place.
Furthermore, you point falls flat on it's face from a second angle, as well: Riddick most certainly used the guns from the Necros as he was fighting them. "Pure bladed fight" it is not. By that reasoning, Riddick would have died had he not used their guns on multiple occasions: else he use them? Just the same as Preston dying had he not grabbed the assault rifle in the long hall gun fight, or the katana's in the Father's office.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Preston was in three scenarios where he was surrounded, two of them he had his guns. In two of them, his victims were regular police. And stop with the whole "Riddick was never surrounded" shit, he had Necros coming at him from all around him. Wait, all around him.....SURROUNDED.....pwned.
At the minimum of five but possibly 7.
1. Beginning of the film when he busts down the door and takes all of those dudes out.
2. When he get surrounded by the clerics for the puppy incident. There may have been two times that he was surrounded.
3. That time when Preston is in the field and the Clerics surround him and he beats them all to death.
4. In the office when he was taking his polygraph.
5. In the Father's office.
And, stop with the "regular police" b.s. No where does it say they are regular police. They are clerics and their job is to find EC-10 materials and execute rebels.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And again, 45 kills compared to 9.Epic pwn.
If only the kills were:
1. Came from being completely surrounded.
2. Were done completely with a blade.
3. Came at Riddick not taking a single hit or even being touched.
It just so happens that Preston got all three. 😐 On top of this, the Clerics are much more skilled than the Necros.
Epic PWN.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I just didn't.
Corrected it for you. doped
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I was talking about the end battle up until Faako shooting him, you know that, dont be stupid, it doesnt look good on you.
1. Lose the petty insults. I'm your boy. Don't turn this into a childish insult match. There's no reason to get immature with it. I'm fine with the silly smilies and the "pwn" statements as they are all in good fun.
2. You've missed the point entirely. How many times did Preston get launched? How many times did someone get the drop on him? How many times did he get the beat down?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
We tried the whole character morality thing here, didnt float.
This is a strawman and in no way changes anything I've said. That's unrelated to what I said.
Besides, Preston could quite easily dodge those shots from the pistol, meaning, your "counter" point is moot.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure it dies, man, sure it does.45 kills to 9 kills.
Pwned with a side of gravy fries.
Riddick wins with a blade 10000/10.
But, it does matter. You just tired to pass off his destruction of the humans as, "the regular rebels are just fodder." I countered with, "but Preston treated the Clerics like they were fodder, just the same."
And, again, you can't say "45 kills to 9 kills" because that's not the same at all. Here's why:
1. Riddick was armed at the beginning of the fight.
2. Riddick wasn't completely surrounded.
3. The people Riddick was fighting were not nearly as skilled with guns as the Clerics.
4. The people Riddick fought were not even remotely as skilled as the Clerics with their blades.
5. Riddick used guns to kill some of those people, so it wasn't pure blades.
6. Riddick had to physically move people out of his way, body slamming them, flipping them, etc.
And that's just 6 points to jus the what's wrong with your "45 to 9" statement of yours.
Oh, and, PWN3D! pained
Originally posted by dadudemonNo, it was from all angles, AND they had guns. If the clerics had had guns, Preston would have been killed in seconds. Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!!!!!!!!!! Try harder, this is too easy.
Oh really?It was almost completely from the front.
Pwned.
Sure it is.You said:
There are several things wrong with this post:
1. John was surrounded by almost that many and on multiple occasions, he was literally surrounded on all sides.
2. It commits a very strange logical fallacy: neither character knows the other's training or fighting style.
3. Riddick was never surround by 45 Necros. In fact, almost every last one he approached from his front.
John was never surrounded by 45 men, not at anytime, not ever. Lie.
Preston knew the clerics fighting style, he knew what they would do before they did it. Riddick knew shit about the Necros and their fighting styles, thats the point.
Afraid not, some approached from the front, some the sides, some the back. Fact.
So, I replied with the following:Because it was a direct counter to your point and basically said your point was crap, you replied with the following:
Which has nothing to do with you proposing a counter-point by saying to surround Preston with 45 Clerics when that didn't occur in the first place.
The hypothetical "Preston being surrounded by 45 clerics" thing was to prove a point, that Preston would not survive IF it happened. Doesnt matter if it never occured.
Furthermore, you point falls flat on it's face from a second angle, as well: Riddick most certainly used the guns from the Necros as he was fighting them. "Pure bladed fight" it is not. By that reasoning, Riddick would have died had he not used their guns on multiple occasions: else he use them? Just the same as Preston dying had he not grabbed the assault rifle in the long hall gun fight, or the katana's in the Father's office.Riddick killed maybe a few Necros with the guns, I counted the 40 plus he killed with BLADES, I never counted the gun kills.
The long hall gun fight and the fight in the office while surrounded are two seperate incidents, dude.
And yes, the second scenario here starts and ends with blades, or h2h, both of which Riddick is light years ahead of Preston. Superior onscreen feats prove this.
At the minimum of five but possibly 7.Dude, I was talking about incidents where he fought without using his guns.1. Beginning of the film when he busts down the door and takes all of those dudes out.
2. When he get surrounded by the clerics for the puppy incident. There may have been two times that he was surrounded.
3. That time when Preston is in the field and the Clerics surround him and he beats them all to death.
4. In the office when he was taking his polygraph.
5. In the Father's office.
And, stop with the "regular police" b.s. No where does it say they are regular police. They are clerics and their job is to find EC-10 materials and execute rebels.They are beat cops, thats all. The sense offenders had no trouble killing them in the beginning.
If only the kills were:As I said, I counted only the blade kills. And the fact that Riddick took hits and seemed only o go faster and get more deadly as he fought on shows and proves that he is superior to Preston.1. Came from being completely surrounded.
2. Were done completely with a blade.
3. Came at Riddick not taking a single hit or even being touched.
It just so happens that Preston got all three. 😐 On top of this, the Clerics are much more skilled than the Necros.Better fighters, not near as hard to kill as Necros. AND the Necros had GUNS, dude. Guns......Epic PWN.
Corrected it for you. dopedthe bridge called, your rent is due.
1. Lose the petty insults. I'm your boy. Don't turn this into a childish insult match. There's no reason to get immature with it. I'm fine with the silly smilies and the "pwn" statements as they are all in good fun.That wasnt an insult, read between the line's.
2. You've missed the point entirely. How many times did Preston get launched? How many times did someone get the drop on him? How many times did he get the beat down?Because 99% of the time he was fighting sense offenders, pretty much cannon fodder.
This is a strawman and in no way changes anything I've said. That's unrelated to what I said.Preston doesnt dodge bullets.
Besides, Preston could quite easily dodge those shots from the pistol, meaning, your "counter" point is moot.
But, it does matter. You just tired to pass off his destruction of the humans as, "the regular rebels are just fodder." I countered with, "but Preston treated the Clerics like they were fodder, just the same."Dude, the cleric he stole the blade from was standing a foot away with the hilt of the blade in Prestons face, hell, I coulda grabbed it.And, again, you can't say "45 kills to 9 kills" because that's not the same at all. Here's why:
1. Riddick was armed at the beginning of the fight.
2. Riddick wasn't completely surrounded.He had attacks coming from all sides, and they had GUNS!!! haermm
3. The people Riddick was fighting were not nearly as skilled with guns as the Clerics.Irrevelant. There were at least 70 or 80 of them.
4. The people Riddick fought were not even remotely as skilled as the Clerics with their blades.Those clerics were shit, watch the scene again and you'll see how useless they were wth their blades. Lemmee guess.....PIS?
5. Riddick used guns to kill some of those people, so it wasn't pure blades.Already pwned you here.
6. Riddick had to physically move people out of his way, body slamming them, flipping them, etc.Which proves Riddicks fighting skill. Keep digging that hole deeper K?
And that's just 6 points to jus the what's wrong with your "45 to 9" statement of yours.Nah, you're not even close to countering me yet.Oh, and, PWN3D! pained
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, it was from all angles, AND they had guns. If the clerics had had guns, Preston would have been killed in seconds. Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!!!!!!!!!! Try harder, this is too easy.
No, this:
It was almost completely from the front.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
John was never surrounded by 45 men, not at anytime, not ever. Lie.
Whew, glad I didn't say he was then, right?
And, neither was Riddick: not at anytime, not ever.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Preston knew the clerics fighting style, he knew what they would do before they did it. Riddick knew shit about the Necros and their fighting styles, thats the point.
That's a moot point. It has no bearing, whatsoever. Unless you can prove that John developed an Anti-Cleric technique. (Obviously, he didn't and you can't.) John Preston simply used all the same training everyone else got. He was just much better. 😐
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Afraid not, some approached from the front, some the sides, some the back. Fact.
It was almost completely from the front.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The hypothetical "Preston being surrounded by 45 clerics" thing was to prove a point, that Preston would not survive IF it happened. Doesnt matter if it never occured.
And that strawman point of yours was countered already, as well. These are circles.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Riddick killed maybe a few Necros with the guns, I counted the 40 plus he killed with BLADES, I never counted the gun kills.
How does this change the fact that the Necros aren't even on level with a low level Cleric?
Also:
Furthermore, you point falls flat on it's face from a second angle, as well: Riddick most certainly used the guns from the Necros as he was fighting them. "Pure bladed fight" it is not. By that reasoning, Riddick would have died had he not used their guns on multiple occasions: else he use them? Just the same as Preston dying had he not grabbed the assault rifle in the long hall gun fight, or the katana's in the Father's office.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The long hall gun fight and the fight in the office while surrounded are two seperate incidents, dude.
Why are you pointing this out?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And yes, the second scenario here starts and ends with blades, or h2h, both of which Riddick is light years ahead of Preston. Superior onscreen feats prove this.
Just the opposite, actually. Preston is light years ahead of Riddick. This is what we've been trying to tell you. On screen feats prove this.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, I was talking about incidents where he fought without using his guns.
So? I wasn't. This isn't just about blades. It doesn't matter if you've conceded the point. The fact that Preston has been completely surrounded on numerous occasions and Riddick hasn't, speaks volumes of John's reaction...which is obviously far superior to Riddick.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
As I said, I counted only the blade kills. And the fact that Riddick took hits and seemed only o go faster and get more deadly as he fought on shows and proves that he is superior to Preston.
How is that even remotely a counter to this:
If only the kills were:1. Came from being completely surrounded.
2. Were done completely with a blade.
3. Came at Riddick not taking a single hit or even being touched.
And, no, Riddick is inferior to Preston. See the above points.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Better fighters, not near as hard to kill as Necros. AND the Necros had GUNS, dude. Guns......
1. Both types were wearing armor.
2. Their guns were powerful concussive blasts that were single shots. Hardly even close to being as deadly as fully automatic assuault rifles. There's no way you should think those guns are even on level with fully automatic assault rifles. The concussive blasts even travel much slower than the bullets. There's no comparison.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because 99% of the time he was fighting sense offenders, pretty much cannon fodder.
I disagree on fact. In the movie, the majority of people he killed were Clerics.
In other words, you reply doesn't actually address point #2, at all.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Preston doesnt dodge bullets.
He sure does. Moving to a location that is most likely to avoid a bullets directory. Sounds very much like a fancy way of saying, "dodgin bullets."
You want "dodging bullets" to actually mean something it doesn't. Plain and simple, Preston avoids bullets. Your strawman argument above does nothing, in the slightest, to actually address the fact that Preston would dodge the gunfire just the same as he did the entire film.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, the cleric he stole the blade from was standing a foot away with the hilt of the blade in Prestons face, hell, I coulda grabbed it.
1. This does absolutely nothing to actually address point #1.
2. If you did reach for his blade, you'd end up on pieces on the floor. Or are you trying to imply that you're as uber as Preston?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He had attacks coming from all sides, and they had GUNS!!! haermm
It was almost completely from the front.
2. Riddick wasn't completely surrounded.
2. Their guns were powerful concussive blasts that were single shots. Hardly even close to being as deadly as fully automatic assuault rifles. There's no way you should think those guns are even on level with fully automatic assault rifles. The concussive blasts even travel much slower than the bullets. There's no comparison.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Irrevelant. There were at least 70 or 80 of them.
Irrelevant.
1. Riddick didn't kill all of them.
2. Some he just threw.
3.
2. Their guns were powerful concussive blasts that were single shots. Hardly even close to being as deadly as fully automatic assuault rifles. There's no way you should think those guns are even on level with fully automatic assault rifles. The concussive blasts even travel much slower than the bullets. There's no comparison.
4.
2. Riddick wasn't completely surrounded.
5.
It was almost completely from the front.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Those clerics were shit, watch the scene again and you'll see how useless they were wth their blades. Lemmee guess.....PIS?
They were shit compared to Preston, only. That's it. Do YOU honestly think you could take a Necro on? Of course not.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Already pwned you here.
No you didn't. You didn't address it all, actually.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Which proves Riddicks fighting skill. Keep digging that hole deeper K?
The point went right over your head. Here's the point you're supposed to take out of that:
Preston is so fast and skilled that he didn't HAVE to do that. He dropped them all so fast that they couldn't get close enough. 😐
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, you're not even close to countering me yet.
You mean, that you are not even close to actually addressing my points, right?
RJ, can you post this scene where you say Riddick guts 45+ guys solo with a knife?
If you meant this scene (@3:25), it wasn't 45+, they weren't coming at him from all angles, he didn't just use a knife and he had people fighting along side him.
Also of note, his fighting speed is considerably slower than Preston's.
Originally posted by Robtard
RJ, can you post this scene where you say Riddick guts 45+ guys solo with a knife?If you meant this scene (@3:25), it wasn't 45+, they weren't coming at him from all angles, he didn't just use a knife and he had people fighting along side him.
Also of note, his fighting speed is considerably slower than Preston's.
I thought he was talking about that scene, as well.
It's possible he's talking about something else, but I don't remember another scene.
There was the scene where they approach him when he's in that room...
Youtube isn't working for me, post the vid using youtube brackets. If it's where he tells Kyra "You know that favorite game of yours? Let's play", then yes, I watched the scene several times and counted how many he pwned. My count might be off by a few, but it was around 40, maybe 45, it was all happening so fast. I didn't count the ones he pwned with a gun, and I didnt count the ones the others killed, I counted the ones he killed with knives or h2h. And no, his fighting speed is not "considerably" slower than Prestons.
This counts, right?
http://video.clipta.com/The_Chronicles_Of_Riddick_-_Dark_Fury_-_Trailer__v5e9aca19328ac35b3a06
Of course it does, it's a feature film.
Here's the full movie.
Part 1: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wgha_riddick-dark-fury-12-fr
Part two: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2whwz_riddick-dark-fury-22-fr
It's in French, but that's not important, watch closely at Riddicks feats.
The cartoon is an exaggeration of Riddick's universe and of the Riddick mythos.
Obviously, it's not allowed.
I thought better judgment would prevail and everyone would assume that the cartoon that exaggerates the live action counterpart, would obviously be ignored. Apparently not. Of course, everyone ignored it until now.
If someone wants to create a versus thread with the Dark Fury version, that's fine. But retarded shit like that is not allowed in live action versus threads.
Don't turn this into a joke thread, guys. Keep it serious.
It's a cartoon that exaggerates everything about Riddick. Sometimes, the visuals in the cartoon get so exaggerated that some of the characters end up with 6 foot arms. A couple of times, Riddick moves like the Flash.
Sure, the Cartoon is awesome. But I won't allow it in my thread on the grounds that it's not parallel to the live action Riddick and Preston doesn't have his own exaggerated cartoon to compare with it.
We're going to stick to live action versions, only.