Superman vs Thanos

Originally posted by galactusischere
When has Thor defeated an all out going Surfer?

Surfer is more versatile and faster. Thor has more power and powerful energy blasts such as the god blast. Though Surfer unleashed the crunch energies on T&A. After he got upgraded by Galactus he also defeated rav who was giving him a good fight before hes upgrade(during annihlation)

This instance.

After this, Adam Warlock steps in saving Norrins' life. Norrin then recovers and both attempt to attack Thor and Silver Surfer and him are still defeated.

Versatility? That depends. If you're definition of versatility, who has done the most things, I think Thor rivals Norrin in that department if not close to him.

The Crunch energies, were just that. The Crunch energies. He directed the energies of the crunch towards the two primordial gods. It's not his power or his capabilities that were unleashing that much power. He simply directed it.

I thought all Galactus did was give him a better mind set. I'm pretty sure, Norrin said "NO!" and turned down the upgrade.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This instance.

After this, Adam Warlock steps in saving Norrins' life. Norrin then recovers and both attempt to attack Thor and Silver Surfer and him are still defeated.

Versatility? That depends. If you're definition of versatility, who has done the most things, I think Thor rivals Norrin in that department if not close to him.

The Crunch energies, were just that. The Crunch energies. He directed the energies of the crunch towards the two primordial gods. It's not his power or his capabilities that were unleashing that much power. He simply directed it.

I thought all Galactus did was give him a better mind set. I'm pretty sure, Norrin said "NO!" and turned down the upgrade.

That is not regular Thor.

Originally posted by galactusischere
That is not regular Thor.

No, it's not just regular Thor. It's a regular Thor that's pissed off.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, it's not just regular Thor. It's a regular Thor that's pissed off.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Seems like warrior madness or berserker rage but I don't remember that comic. Why was Thor saying "destroy you" and "destroy asgard"?

Warrior Madness is a state of mind that Thor enters, when he goes berserk/blood lusted that amps his strength 10 fold apparently.

It was revealed by Thanos, Odin etc. that Thor was not in Warrior Madness, but simply crazy. Vast difference.

His saying that because his crazy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Warrior Madness is a state of mind that Thor enters, when he goes berserk/blood lusted that amps his strength 10 fold apparently.

It was revealed by Thanos, Odin etc. that Thor was not in Warrior Madness, but simply crazy. Vast difference.

His saying that because his crazy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Probably true.

That depends on your definition by a whole lot.

We also have to start differentiating between power and versatility which makes it more difficult because Norrin is so powerful and versatile.

That's where Surfer edges out over Superman to an even greater extent. There is just so much that he can do outside the battlefield. Surfer's much more capable of making mankind capable of defending themselves, as opposed to simply defending them himself. In a scenario where they have to prep earth for some oncoming threat, his matter manipulation can be put to -great- use.

Originally posted by galactusischere
I see.
Ok Thor is slightly more powerful than Norrin-rad I guess.
But how did he defeat Warlock? that I cannot believe someone in Thor's league doing.
Warlock and Surfer seems even crazier and more unbelievable.

What's so unbelievable about defeating Warlock? His greatest weapon is the Soul Gem and he couldn't affectThor because his Asgardian Spirit is so heavily fortified. He defeated them both by beating their asses until they ran for the hills. Want me to post the fight?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Problem with versatility is that people think only of combat.

That's where Surfer edges out over Superman to an even greater extent. There is just so much that he can do outside the battlefield. Surfer's much more capable of making mankind capable of defending themselves, as opposed to simply defending them himself. In a scenario where they have to prep earth for some oncoming threat, his matter manipulation can be put to -great- use.

That's also true.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Seems like warrior madness or berserker rage but I don't remember that comic. Why was Thor saying "destroy you" and "destroy asgard"?

He was in a state of pseudo-warrior madness, which though not true warrior madness had some of its same effects. Its highly debatable as to whether the ten fold strength increase was also one of them considering the ridiculous things thor did in that arc which he clearly cannot do under any other circumstances.

Still even using the fight in that arc, a fight with surfer would not go the same way on the forum considering the foolish way surfer fought.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That depends on your definition by a whole lot.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Seems like warrior madness or berserker rage but I don't remember that comic. Why was Thor saying "destroy you" and "destroy asgard"?

i think real warrior madness is a mental disorder not unlike berserker rage felt when warriors lose their minds in bloody combat situations.

Originally posted by Naija boy
He was in a state of pseudo-warrior madness, which though not true warrior madness had some of its same effects. Its highly debatable as to whether the ten fold strength increase was also one of them considering the ridiculous things thor did in that arc which he clearly cannot do under any other circumstances.

Still even using the fight in that arc, a fight with surfer would not go the same way on the forum considering the foolish way surfer fought.

Clearly he was amped. I mean it doesn't matter that it was clearly stated to not be Warrior Madness etc.

And I mean it's not like we've seen Thor when pissed off above and beyond what we've thought were his previous limitation. Like say kill the Hulk and Thing in hand to hand after hours of fighting, temporarily drop the Destroyer, Kurse, Mangog or even Odin. And it's clearly impossible for Thor to hand Norrin his ass, even though Beta Ray Bill knocks out Norrin for an entire issue in two hits.

Foolishly? You mean by physical attacks and energy attacks? The same shit he does almost all the time. And I can easily say the same thing for Thor. A few hammer tosses and a light show is what his attacks consisted off.

Originally posted by Naija boy
He was in a state of pseudo-warrior madness, which though not true warrior madness had some of its same effects. Its highly debatable as to whether the ten fold strength increase was also one of them considering the ridiculous things thor did in that arc which he clearly cannot do under any other circumstances.

Still even using the fight in that arc, a fight with surfer would not go the same way on the forum considering the foolish way surfer fought.

Surfer wouldn't use energy attacks and physical attacks? Seems like it's the only thing he ever does. Not so much he can do when Thor was clearly faster than him and Warlock in that arc. It's not as if Thor used any sort of fancy powers either, guy threw his hammer and used lightning a few times. Seems to me like something Thor is capable of doing all the time.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the power cosmic can make kryptonians 😐

Lol.

And I'm the one arguing that Norrin is above Superman in power rather obviously.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Surfer wouldn't use energy attacks and physical attacks? Seems like it's the only thing he ever does. Not so much he can do when Thor was clearly faster than him and Warlock in that arc. It's not as if Thor used any sort of fancy powers either, guy threw his hammer and used lightning a few times. Seems to me like something Thor is capable of doing all the time.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what's thor gonna do if surfer decides to suck him into a blackhole?

Teleport out? Or he could simply force his way out like Beta Ray Bill was doing out of two black holes trying to rip him apart.

I gotta go to school. Later guys.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Clearly he was amped. I mean it doesn't matter that it was clearly stated to not be Warrior Madness etc.

So Thor was sorta amped, but not to the level of true warrior madness is what your saying?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Surfer wouldn't use energy attacks and physical attacks? Seems like it's the only thing he ever does. Not so much he can do when Thor was clearly faster than him and Warlock in that arc. It's not as if Thor used any sort of fancy powers either, guy threw his hammer and used lightning a few times. Seems to me like something Thor is capable of doing all the time.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Surfer wouldn't use energy attacks and physical attacks? Seems like it's the only thing he ever does. Not so much he can do when Thor was clearly faster than him and Warlock in that arc. It's not as if Thor used any sort of fancy powers either, guy threw his hammer and used lightning a few times. Seems to me like something Thor is capable of doing all the time.

I dont think it was ever mentioned that thor was faster than surfer and the only way that would be possible is if surfer deliberately slowed down.
And yeah Surfer flying up to thor and stopping in one position and then blasting him with a single energy blast, and then following that up by slowly flying straight into thor is not at all how he would fight on a forum and there is frankly no debating that.