Originally posted by galactusischere
So Thor was sorta amped, but not to the level of true warrior madness is what your saying?
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Originally posted by Nihilist
The only thing that seemed different with Thor was that he may of been a bit stronger and had a " im not gonna stop till ive f*cked you up attitude"
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Clearly he was amped. I mean it doesn't matter that it was clearly stated to not be Warrior Madness etc.And I mean it's not like we've seen Thor when pissed off above and beyond what we've thought were his previous limitation. Like say kill the Hulk and Thing in hand to hand after hours of fighting, temporarily drop the Destroyer, Kurse, Mangog or even Odin. And it's clearly impossible for Thor to hand Norrin his ass, even though Beta Ray Bill knocks out Norrin for an entire issue in two hits.
Foolishly? You mean by physical attacks and energy attacks? The same shit he does almost all the time. And I can easily say the same thing for Thor. A few hammer tosses and a light show is what his attacks consisted off.
I said its highly debatable as to whether he was amped not "clearly"
And no weve never seen thor do anything even close to that. Knocking down the destroyer,Kurse or Mangog doesnt even come close. NOt sure of the Odin incident u r talking about but im pretty sure no significant damage was done. Beta ray bill knocked norrin out in that same series in which he (along with most others) was seriously underwritten.
And yes firing one energy blast and then slowly charging into thor is not how he would fight on the forum. I never said that thor would fight the same way he did either.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I said its highly debatable as to whethe he was amped not "clearly"And no weve never seen thor do anything even close to that. Knocking down the destroyer,Kurse or Mangog doesnt even come close. NOt sure of the Odin incident u r talking about but im pretty sure no significant damage was done. Beta ray bill knocked norrin out in that same series in which he (along with most others) was seriously underwritten.
And yes firing one energy blast and then slowly charging into thor is not how he would fight on the forum. I never said that thor would fight the same way he did either.
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Damnit, you and your semantics. 😠
Really? Actually dropping Mangog even thought it was for like a page or so doesn't come close while in the past his been completely unable to affect him even? Go toe to toe with the Destroyer without Mjolnir, temporarily gain the advantage, or even temporarily dropping doesn't even come close when his been unable to do squat to it in the past? Thor when pissed off, has gone above and beyond what we thought were his limits. Hell, even Warrior Madness is simply breaking the mental shackles of his mind. A different state of mind. He doesn't tap into some alternate power source or anything. Shows how much he holds back. Although it's apparently similar to a disease.
The Odin incident is when Thor brought Odin to his knees with a hit.
So it's bad writing now? And you know this was a multiple series crossover. Those writers sure seemed to agree on the same thing which is Thor's superiority as I recall.
And Thor hammer tossing clearly would be what he would do amirite? And in the next Adam Warlock fight, Norrin was zig zagging, using his maneuverability etc. to try and take down Thor. The result in the end though? Norrin out of it again.
Anyways I have to go.
Originally posted by Starscream M
no reason, I just thought you were alot older. you sound more mature than high schooler.
Of course I do, but that's because I'm so highly intelligent and ahead of my peers.
My midterm average was 97% but school is still a *****. I haven't gotten laid in like three months. That's the longest I've gone without sex since I was 14.
I can't believe people were actually bringing up where Thanos FAKED his own death and ALLOWED Thor to smack him away to get away. Yet this was used as evidence that Thor could send Thanos flying LOL. Good jokes guys. Also, IMO it was made clear Thor was amped, in what way, who know what you'd call it. The writer was clearly trying to convey the point that he was amped and even when so far as to mention WM. Even if it wasn't TRUE WM Mode.. He was more powerful and doing thing he's never been shown to do before. Whatever you choose to call it.. he was amped.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😕Damnit, you and your semantics. 😠
Really? Actually dropping Mangog even thought it was for like a page or so doesn't come close while in the past his been completely unable to affect him even? Go toe to toe with the Destroyer without Mjolnir, temporarily gain the advantage, or even temporarily dropping doesn't even come close when his been unable to do squat to it in the past? Thor when pissed off, has gone above and beyond what we thought were his limits. Hell, even Warrior Madness is simply breaking the mental shackles of his mind. A different state of mind. He doesn't tap into some alternate power source or anything. Shows how much he holds back. Although it's apparently similar to a disease.
The Odin incident is when Thor brought Odin to his knees with a hit.
So it's bad writing now? And you know this was a multiple series crossover. Those writers sure seemed to agree on the same thing which is Thor's superiority as I recall.
And Thor hammer tossing clearly would be what he would do amirite? And in the next Adam Warlock fight, Norrin was zig zagging, using his maneuverability etc. to try and take down Thor. The result in the end though? Norrin out of it again.
Anyways I have to go.
With Destroyer, do you mean the time that Thor-Girl was powering it up with Karnilla and Loki?
Thor was getting hes ass handed to him that time(without Mjohnir). Only because of the Enchantress and Odin he was saved. They gave him Mjohnir and Thor barely managed to take down the asgardian destroyed.
Originally posted by galactusischereIt was all done under his normal powerset. His attitude changed is all and he was nuts.
That is not regular Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8You haven't proven anything you named a few feats which Hulk has done which Thanos hasn't attempted. You don't even know how to debate it seems.
So you ignored my entire argument above because you can't defeat it and still want to remain bias. Well Rage follows the unwritten rules of comics and that is why he thinks Thanos is stronger. I already provided examples and proved that being able to go toe to toe with someone doesn't prove one is just as strong. I've provided counterexamples which prove the rule isn't always true.Thanos and Thor didn't ever grapple nor does Thanos have superior strength feats than Thor so you can not know for certain if he's stronger than Thor.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeSame with Wolverine but did it happen. 😉
Narration made it seem like Masterson was about to kill Thanos w/gem 😂
Thanos mopped the floor with them after giving them a chance and depowering himself.
Originally posted by Naija boyIt was never hinted at. They were incorrect about him being in warrior madness mode. Characters who went up against him falsely thought so, but later in the story this was proven to not be the case.
He was in a state of pseudo-warrior madness, which though not true warrior madness had some of its same effects. Its highly debatable as to whether the ten fold strength increase was also one of them considering the ridiculous things thor did in that arc which he clearly cannot do under any other circumstances.Still even using the fight in that arc, a fight with surfer would not go the same way on the forum considering the foolish way surfer fought.
Originally posted by Naija boyThor was beyond Surfer in that story. The point was clear you just didn't like the outcome because you are a fan of the Surfer.
I dont think it was ever mentioned that thor was faster than surfer and the only way that would be possible is if surfer deliberately slowed down.
And yeah Surfer flying up to thor and stopping in one position and then blasting him with a single energy blast, and then following that up by slowly flying straight into thor is not at all how he would fight on a forum and there is frankly no debating that.
Originally posted by Naija boyThe both fight the way they do the majority of the time. Neither fought to the best of their abilities.
I said its highly debatable as to whether he was amped not "clearly"And no weve never seen thor do anything even close to that. Knocking down the destroyer,Kurse or Mangog doesnt even come close. NOt sure of the Odin incident u r talking about but im pretty sure no significant damage was done. Beta ray bill knocked norrin out in that same series in which he (along with most others) was seriously underwritten.
And yes firing one energy blast and then slowly charging into thor is not how he would fight on the forum. I never said that thor would fight the same way he did either.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't believe people were actually bringing up where Thanos FAKED his own death and ALLOWED Thor to smack him away to get away. Yet this was used as evidence that Thor could send Thanos flying LOL. Good jokes guys. Also, IMO it was made clear Thor was amped, in what way, who know what you'd call it. The writer was clearly trying to convey the point that he was amped and even when so far as to mention WM. Even if it wasn't TRUE WM Mode.. He was more powerful and doing thing he's never been shown to do before. Whatever you choose to call it.. he was amped.
Hey, I forgot Thanos faked his own death. Allow it. I hated the Masterson period and try to forget as much about it as I could. I actually had to physically force myself to read the Masterson comics. Did Thanos allow Masterson to send him flying? Really? Well I'll take your word for it. I honestly don't care.
How exactly was it made clear Thor was amped pray tell? So what if he mentioned Warrior Madness? It was portrayed that Bill and Sif thought Thor was in Warrior Madness, because to them it was the only reasonable explanation of a god going crazy. It was clearly revealed, by your baby Thanos himself, no less, that it was not Warrior Madness and a psychic imbalance and it was confirmed by Odin. Are you saying that Thanos was wrong? That the almighty Thanos with prep and his technology who confirmed that it had nothing to do with the Madness and was simply a psychic imbalance due to Odin wrong? Huh?
I'm going but I'll await your answer vigorously.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😕Damnit, you and your semantics. 😠
Really? Actually dropping Mangog even thought it was for like a page or so doesn't come close while in the past his been completely unable to affect him even? Go toe to toe with the Destroyer without Mjolnir, temporarily gain the advantage, or even temporarily dropping doesn't even come close when his been unable to do squat to it in the past? Thor when pissed off, has gone above and beyond what we thought were his limits. Hell, even Warrior Madness is simply breaking the mental shackles of his mind. A different state of mind. He doesn't tap into some alternate power source or anything. Shows how much he holds back. Although it's apparently similar to a disease.
The Odin incident is when Thor brought Odin to his knees with a hit.
So it's bad writing now? And you know this was a multiple series crossover. Those writers sure seemed to agree on the same thing which is Thor's superiority as I recall.
And Thor hammer tossing clearly would be what he would do amirite? And in the next Adam Warlock fight, Norrin was zig zagging, using his maneuverability etc. to try and take down Thor. The result in the end though? Norrin out of it again.
Anyways I have to go.
HE knocked Mangog down. HE didnt damage him in any way. So no.
Also Going toe to toe with the destroyer and knocking him down without inflicting any damage whatsoever is the same thing. So no. Most high heralds have shown that when pissed they can go beyond what we thought of previously but owning multiple characters who were previously ur equals at the same time is something entirely different. We know that warrior madness amps strength ten times, im not sure where u got this idea that he is just tapping into his own reserves of strength as ive never seen that mentioned so please provide some on panel evidence to support such.
Thors superiority in the series is not in question. Ive already given my opinion in regards to the cause of that. However other characters were portayed poorly and in no way would norrin fight the same way on a forum. This is not even debatable.
And please post scans of this as im quite sure i dont remember norrin using his speed and manoevrability to any great extent at all. Further if u kindly go back and read my post ull see that i never claimed that thor would fight the same way in a forum fight either.
Originally posted by galactusischere
With Destroyer, do you mean the time that Thor-Girl was powering it up with Karnilla and Loki?
Thor was getting hes ass handed to him that time(without Mjohnir). Only because of the Enchantress and Odin he was saved. They gave him Mjohnir and Thor barely managed to take down the asgardian destroyed.
Nah, one of the earlier fights, when Balder inhabits the Destroyer. Thor manages to go toe to toe without Mjolnir, and downed the Destroyer etc. He was getting his ass handed to him after that though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hey, I forgot Thanos faked his own death. Allow it. I hated the Masterson period and try to forget as much about it as I could. I actually had to physically force myself to read the Masterson comics. Did Thanos allow Masterson to send him flying? Really? Well I'll take your word for it. I honestly don't care.How exactly was it made clear Thor was amped pray tell? So what if he mentioned Warrior Madness? It was portrayed that Bill and Sif thought Thor was in Warrior Madness, because to them it was the only reasonable explanation of a god going crazy. It was clearly revealed, by your baby Thanos himself, no less, that it was not Warrior Madness and a psychic imbalance and it was confirmed by Odin. Are you saying that Thanos was wrong? That the almighty Thanos with prep and his technology who confirmed that it had nothing to do with the Madness and was simply a psychic imbalance due to Odin wrong? Huh?
I'm going but I'll await your answer vigorously.
Please post the scans then Rage. I remember and have no doubt that "somebody" came to the conclusion that it wasn't WM Mode. However, I thought that person was Odin not Thanos. So, by all means post it up. It really matters not since we are in agreement that somebody did state this. Again, I already conceded it wasn't True WM so I'm unclear what your disagreeing with me about. I believe he was amped in some way. He has NEVER shown to be that strong and take people down that easy. Even if we just go... He wasn't holding back and out for the kill.. In a sense that is out of the ordinary and in a sense that frame of mind amped his stats.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYeah, I am also pretty sure it was odin who actually found this out and not Thanos.
Please post the scans then Rage. I remember and have no doubt that "somebody" came to the conclusion that it wasn't WM Mode. However, I thought that person was Odin not Thanos. So, by all means post it up. It really matters not since we are in agreement that somebody did state this. Again, I already conceded it wasn't True WM so I'm unclear what your disagreeing with me about. I believe he was amped in some way. He has NEVER shown to be that strong and take people down that easy. Even if we just go... He wasn't holding back and out for the kill.. In a sense that is out of the ordinary and in a sense that frame of mind amped his stats.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you saying that Thanos was wrong? That the almighty Thanos with prep and his technology who confirmed that it had nothing to do with the Madness and was simply a psychic imbalance due to Odin wrong? Huh?I'm going but I'll await your answer vigorously.
To Quan, Kurupt, and Galactus is here. Moondragon and Adam Warlock stated that it was not Warrior Madness, and Thanos confirmed it with his instruments.
Odin once again confirmed it in the last issue of the arc.
Originally posted by Naija boy
HE knocked Mangog down. HE didnt damage him in any way. So no.
Also Going toe to toe with the destroyer and knocking him down without inflicting any damage whatsoever is the same thing. So no. Most high heralds have shown that when pissed they can go beyond what we thought of previously but owning multiple characters who were previously ur equals at the same time is something entirely different. We know that warrior madness amps strength ten times, im not sure where u got this idea that he is just tapping into his own reserves of strength as ive never seen that mentioned so please provide some on panel evidence to support such.Thors superiority in the series is not in question. Ive already given my opinion in regards to the cause of that. However other characters were portayed poorly and in no way would norrin fight the same way on a forum. This is not even debatable.
And please post scans of this as im quite sure i dont remember norrin using his speed and manoevrability to any great extent at all. Further if u kindly go back and read my post ull see that i never claimed that thor would fight the same way in a forum fight either.
He knocked Mangog down and Mangog was gone for 3 entire pages, and while Mangog was down Thor put down the retconed Thanos clone down for a page or so. And Thor once hit Mangog so hard we saw physical damage (The time he shoved Mjolnir up his throat.).
Knocking down the Destroyer to the point it's lying there for a page shows that the blow at least rocked it. Thor on average can't even stagger these beings.
Their equals? I've never considered Norrin to be Thor's equal. In fact their first fight, made it pretty clear that Thor is above Classic Silver Surfer in my own personal opinion. And as we saw, Beta Ray Bill is not Thor's equal either, as Thor has gone above and beyond him on occasions other than Blood and Thunder. Such as Desak knocking around Bill and Hercules at the same time, while Classic Thor was doing pretty decent even when significantly weakened. Or the recent Super Skrull incident that made it pretty clear whose superior to who.
Eh? I just said that Thor doesn't tap into some alternate power source which is the case unless you have proof to say otherwise. The Warrior Madness from what we have seen is Thor simply going berserk, entering a different state of mind. Nothing more than that information has been giving. Thinking about it, I'm wondering if it is infact him tapping into his reserves. Thanks for the idea Naija. I'm going to check up on this.
Cool. Thor wouldn't fight that way in a forum either.
Norrin flying around and blasting Thor from a distance. Such as here....
Never said you did claim that. Simply said that the same can be said for Thor. If you go back and read my post you'll see that, that is the case.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please post the scans then Rage. I remember and have no doubt that "somebody" came to the conclusion that it wasn't WM Mode. However, I thought that person was Odin not Thanos. So, by all means post it up. It really matters not since we are in agreement that somebody did state this. Again, I already conceded it wasn't True WM so I'm unclear what your disagreeing with me about. I believe he was amped in some way. He has NEVER shown to be that strong and take people down that easy. Even if we just go... He wasn't holding back and out for the kill.. In a sense that is out of the ordinary and in a sense that frame of mind amped his stats.
Posted them in the last post. Adam Warlock came to it first, but Thanos used his intellect and machines to apparently confirm that it was Odin's fault for the psychic imbalance. Odin confirms it after as well.
Well that's nice. Too bad, it was never stated he amped, except a throw away statement by Warlock how he was faster than he remembered.
Except we've never actually seen Thor in that state of mind before fight against those level beings. Pissed off and pushed Thor's been more effective against Celestials than the Full Powered Destroyer. Thor's been shown to go above and beyond the apparent Herald level branch we place him in before. It didn't surprise me he did what he did in Blood and Thunder.
In a sense that state of mind amped his stats? What the hell?
