The Original Hellfire Club vs X-Men

Started by -Pr-7 pages
Originally posted by Battlehammer
when was this? was that during astonishign x-men was he revealed he ahd more controll of his power then he elt on? what eevr happen with that anyways

yup, in astonishing. he ALWAYS has control over his blasts in terms of their width, power and intensity. the visor was so he could simply not blast all the time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
yup, in astonishing. he ALWAYS has control over his blasts in terms of their width, power and intensity. the visor was so he could simply not blast all the time.

but with his visor off now, does he still have controll of it coming out? if so why does he ware the visor? Though I have to admitt it looks much cooler lol

I think I some how missed one of the issues.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Leland is also a wild card, he could potential take scot out.

Lelands powers also work psionically I know it might take a second or two to make a persons body heavy and all but I don't think his victim will be able to move if he's using his power against them. Colossus might give him a heartattack though.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
but with his visor off now, does he still have controll of it coming out? if so why does he ware the visor? Though I have to admitt it looks much cooler lol

I think I some how missed one of the issues.

no. he doesn't have control of the actual blasting anymore. the astonishing thing was temporary, iirc.

he can choose how powerful his blasts are, but he can't stop himself from blasting, which is why he has the visor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
no. he doesn't have control of the actual blasting anymore. the astonishing thing was temporary, iirc.

he can choose how powerful his blasts are, but he can't stop himself from blasting, which is why he has the visor.

Harry Leland would be a pain in the ass though and not in the sodomizing kind of way.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Low feats? Which ones are you talking about?

It doesn't work you there are two psi's on one of the teams. Jean is not the one occupying Emma, Emma is the one occupying Jean. See what I did there? They basically take each other out of the equation. There's no way Jean is going to protect her teamates from Mastermind and fight Emma off at the same time she'll be too busy with Emma.

Mastermind is thought. Scott is thought + excution + visor flap motor. And yes Mastermind is that good.

Exodus has be consistently depowered since he debuted. Last I remember he was losing to Quicksilver. He's not really a good benchmark for comparing characters.

As for mastermind, what exactly is going to make Scott see that will convince him not to fire at where the HC are standing? Scott knows what Mastermind's abilities are and would certainly be prepared for just that sort of trick.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Harry Leland would be a pain in the ass though and not in the sodomizing kind of way.

true. but i don't see why cyclops wouldn't just khtfo when the bell rang, or had someone else go after him. would his powers influence shadowcat, for instance? i honestly dont remember if they would.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Exodus has be consistently depowered since he debuted. Last I remember he was losing to Quicksilver. He's not really a good benchmark for comparing characters.

He actually hasn't actually. Thena the Eternal was fighting Exodus telepathically while he was fighting a Isotope E'd up Quicksilver.

As for mastermind, what exactly is going to make Scott see that will convince him not to fire at where the HC are standing? Scott knows what Mastermind's abilities are and would certainly be prepared for just that sort of trick. [/B]

While Scott has plenty off baggage these days X-Force and his "gray" decisions etc..Nothing his powers was explained as a kind of psychic virus then anything else. Scotts will defeat himself his powers work well on strong minds which is pretty much most of the X-Men.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Lelands powers also work psionically I know it might take a second or two to make a persons body heavy and all but I don't think his victim will be able to move if he's using his power against them. Colossus might give him a heartattack though.

I thought when he came back though that he overcame the weakness after he original ressurection

Originally posted by -Pr-
no. he doesn't have control of the actual blasting anymore. the astonishing thing was temporary, iirc.

he can choose how powerful his blasts are, but he can't stop himself from blasting, which is why he has the visor.


Oh I see.

Originally posted by -Pr-
true. but i don't see why cyclops wouldn't just khtfo when the bell rang, or had someone else go after him. would his powers influence shadowcat, for instance? i honestly dont remember if they would.

The same could be said about Leland though. While Kitty has density (She spins her molecules) I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. But there's Mastermind so...that's it for her.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Oh I see.

yes, you do. uhuh

i do wish that whedon would explain that astonishing arc, though, as far as cyclops goes. he left it so damn vague.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The same could be said about Leland though. While Kitty has density (She spins her molecules) I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. But there's Mastermind so...that's it for her.

i have to say i'm with Kahn on this one. Scott has plenty of experience dealing with people like Mastermind, so i'm not sure it's so cut and dry...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I thought when he came back though that he overcame the weakness after he original ressurection

I don't remember, wasn't he like a zombie when he came back the first time?

Originally posted by -Pr-
true. but i don't see why cyclops wouldn't just khtfo when the bell rang, or had someone else go after him. would his powers influence shadowcat, for instance? i honestly dont remember if they would.

I think they might take eachother out. The injuries scot would recieve would be devestating, even if he got Leland with him.

I was wondering if they work on kitty, I was wondering if they just make her floot into earth core.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't remember, wasn't he like a zombie when he came back the first time?

I aint sure either. I remeber him not having the same limitations. He jsut came back again.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
He actually hasn't actually. Thena the Eternal was fighting Exodus telepathically while he was fighting a Isotope E'd up Quicksilver.

If that's the case, the I was mistaken in diminishing Exodus. I'm still not clear on what you're basing your opinion that Emma is more powerful than Jean. Is it just that one instant you do you have other proof?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

While Scott has plenty off baggage these days X-Force and his "gray" decisions etc..Nothing his powers was explained as a kind of psychic virus then anything else. Scotts will defeat himself his powers work well on strong minds which is pretty much most of the X-Men.

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I don't understand what you are trying to say

Originally posted by -Pr-
yes, you do. uhuh

i do wish that whedon would explain that astonishing arc, though, as far as cyclops goes. he left it so damn vague.


Why i think he overrated lol. He also tends to have people villains be whicked bad ass , team wreckers then all of sudden on x-men pwns them

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Why i think he overrated lol. He also tends to have people villains be whicked bad ass , team wreckers then all of sudden on x-men pwns them

Yeah, but I overall I enjoyed the run. 🙂
I love the way he writes Emma.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Why i think he overrated lol. He also tends to have people villains be whicked bad ass , team wreckers then all of sudden on x-men pwns them

i thought his arc was great in retrospect... i know you don't... 😛

Originally posted by -Pr-
i thought his arc was great in retrospect... i know you don't... 😛

I did not mind it. Like when they fell from space and when scot did he super blast and wolverine shackles came off, there been some cool scenes. I dont like his new arc though it confusing. I dont really get whats been going on.

I love for some one to explain it too me.