The Original Hellfire Club vs X-Men

Started by Battlehammer7 pages

Originally posted by TheKahn
Yeah, but I overall I enjoyed the run. 🙂
I love the way he writes Emma.

I dont like how he writes wolverine, he does not understand his personality, but he gotten better at it. I kinda think it would be better if he had NC on the team instead of Wolverine. Seems like he on it just to sell comics.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I did not mind it. Like when they fell from space and when scot did he super blast and wolverine shackles came off, there been some cool scenes. I dont like his new arc though it confusing. I dont really get whats been going on.

I love for some one to explain it too me.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I dont like how he writes wolverine, he does not understand his personality, but he gotten better at it. I kinda think it would be better if he had NC on the team instead of Wolverine. Seems like he on it just to sell comics.

i liked his logan, tbh...

Originally posted by TheKahn
If that's the case, the I was mistaken in diminishing Exodus. I'm still not clear on what you're basing your opinion that Emma is more powerful than Jean. Is it just that one instant you do you have proof?

More powerful? No as good if not slightly better based on feats alone yes. No not just that, Emma took out 7 Super Skrull Telepaths each with their own Cerebra and all of which were trained to take on the X-telepaths. She was completely detached from her body, she existed as an astral form (Like the Shadow King) so she basically did not have the aid of Cerebra.
She blocked Mr. Sinister's powers and Lady Mastermind from halfway across the world without Cererba while giving a perv a nosebleed. She Blocked Xavier who is more powerful then he's ever been in WWH.

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I don't understand what you are trying to say [/B]

Masterminds powers were explained in New Avengers:

1.) They're more like a psychic virus
2.) They effect strong minds very well.
3.) Scott has plenty of baggage these days.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I dont like how he writes wolverine, he does not understand his personality, but he gotten better at it. I kinda think it would be better if he had NC on the team instead of Wolverine. Seems like he on it just to sell comics.

Whatever do you mean???

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Originally posted by TheKahn
Whatever do you mean???

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Good art is so hard to find these days. You know I was looking at some of the pages of Greg Land in Endsong and they were that bad. But I can't handle him or Dodson anymore.

Astonishing X-Men is not the same anymore. Jiminez is the only saving grace.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
More powerful? No as good if not slightly better based on feats alone yes. No not just that, Emma took out 7 Super Skrull Telepaths all with their own Cerebra's and all of which were trained to take on the X-telepaths. She was also detached from her body, she existed as an astral form (Like the Shadow King) so she basically did not have the aid of Cerebra. She blocked Mr. Sinister's powers and Lady Mastermind from halfway across the world without Cererba while giving a perv a nosebleed. She Blocked Xavier who is more powerful then he's ever been in WWH.

Those are impressive feats, but so are Jean's. Not to mention that Jean is supposedly an Omega-level psi with years of training under one of the most powerful telepaths on earth (Pro. X). That being said, any difference between the two is a minor point in my mind. Each can hold off the other for at least a few moments and that

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Masterminds powers were explained in New Avengers:

1.) They're more like a psychic virus
2.) They effect strong minds very well.
3.) Scott has plenty of baggage these days.

Still don't see the point...if he tries to use his power he risks taking down his own team (or can he now focus it on specific individuals?).

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Good art is so hard to find these days. You know I was looking at some of the pages of Greg Land in Endsong and they were that bad. But I can't handle him or Dodson anymore.

i used to love dodson, when he did MK Spidey and Wonder Woman. His X-Men turns me off, though.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Whatever do you mean???

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god I hate that scene. They compeltely ignore the fact through out the arc that wolverine has very strong mental defenses. I dont even have a problem with TP taking him out, but easily making him think he a child is rediculous.

That been only arc were his TP defences were completely ignored.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
god I hate that scene. They compeltely ignore the fact through out the arc that wolverine has very strong mental defenses. I dont even have a problem with TP taking him out, but easily making him think he a child is rediculous.

That been only arc were his TP defences were completely ignored.

disagree completely, but you knew that already... 😛

Originally posted by TheKahn
Those are impressive feats, but so are Jean's. Not to mention that Jean is supposedly an Omega-level psi with years of training under one of the most powerful telepaths on earth (Pro. X). That being said, any difference between the two is a minor point in my mind. Each can hold off the other for at least a few moments and that

We're talking Jean sans Phoenix her which feats do you have in mind? Emma and Xaveir were called an Omega Class Psi as well but really the term doesn't mean much not on vs. boards anyway. She didn't have her telepathy for most of her life, Emma is far more conniving then Jean especially the way she messed with Xavier when he tried to probe Scott.

My point is more down to the fact that Emma can occupy Jean to the point where she won't be able to protect her teamates from Mastermind without the risk of being taken out by Emma. It's two psi talents against one here. Also remember that one second objective time is like minutes on the astral plane.

Still don't see the point...if he tries to use his power he risks taking down his own team (or can he now focus it on specific individuals?). [/B]

He's always been able to target individuals as far as I remember. But an example would be when he mind f*cked the Sentry without hurting the General.

Originally posted by -Pr-
disagree completely, but you knew that already... 😛

He shown more times to block mental attacks then let them in.

Never to extenet of ease that arc suggested. But what a surprize an author that has no idea how to write a character for gets his abilities.

Though when wolverine first came on the scene in early x-men issues he did not posses mental defences that was later added to his character after it development.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He shown more times to block mental attacks then let them in.

Never to extenet of ease that arc suggested. But what a surprize an author that has no idea how to write a character for gets his abilities.

Though when wolverine first came on the scene in early x-men issues he did not posses mental defences that was later added to his character after it development.

not going to change my mind... 😛

Originally posted by -Pr-
i used to love dodson, when he did MK Spidey and Wonder Woman. His X-Men turns me off, though.

Emma and Scotts mindscape is the most boring thing I've ever seen. Morrison come back please.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Though when wolverine first came on the scene in early x-men issues he did not posses mental defences that was later added to his character after it development.


since his developement however he consistently displayed strong resistences to TP. Proping deep into his mind, but specifically mind control.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Emma and Scotts mindscape is the most boring thing I've ever seen. Morrison come back please.

yeah, it did suck, though i'd blame fraction for that more than dodson, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
not going to change my mind... 😛

No matter how much evidence I showed you?

He also posses TP blocker now.

Originally posted by -Pr-
yeah, it did suck, though i'd blame fraction for that more than dodson, tbh.

I doubt carpenter Emma was Fractions idea. Problem is Fraction says he tailors his scripts depending on the artist and we know that Dodson is very good at drawing loads of women so it's also kind of his fault.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No matter how much evidence I showed you?

He also posses TP blocker now.

you're not going to show me much evidence that i havent seen already.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I doubt carpenter Emma was Fractions idea. Problem is Fraction says he tailors his scripts depending on the artist and we know that Dodson is very good at drawing loads of women so it's also kind of his fault.

which?

Originally posted by -Pr-

which?

Did you not see that Diamond Carpenter Emma/Void in the background in UXM #518? She was building something.