Howgarts wizards versus Sidious and the Jedi Order...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Use the truck analogy I posted. It's silly, but at the same time perfect for this argument.

Also what I just posted to Jaden. Onscreen feats is what counts.

The Jedi are never shown force pushing anything that has no mass, i.e. fire. To say they can is the epitome of guessing and speculation.

Force push is useless against Fiendfyre, the fiendfyre will will simply go over or aroudn it. Force pull is useless against a wizard, they will simply apparate away.

Fire is NOT mass-less, though. That shoots that theory to shit, then.

Next.

Neither is smoke. Smoke is a colloid.

Next.

Double pwnage. Your two arguments, shot to shit in two simple sentences. I win teh internetz. naughty

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Size has nothing to do with being solid, with having mass. A marble has mass, whereas a flicker of fire that size does not.

Stop comparing force LIFT to force push. The rubble was in front of Yoda, it covered about 30 degrees of his forward field of vision, and it had MASS.

The force can be aimed, but not enough to counter a big ass wall of fiendfyre. Or a wall of surrounding fiendfyre.

An electron has mass. So does a positron. Yoda said that size doesn't matter.

Are you going to even attempt to contradict Yoda when he is making statements about the nature of the force? How DARE you! 😠

😆

BTW, your point about "force lift" is retarded. There's not such thing as "force lift." It's just the telekinetic portion of the force being applied in a different way.

Also, you said "30 degrees" but that is just arbitrary. It was more like a flat area of force being applied. Degree measurements could probably be made, but 30 degrees is not correct. 180 degrees would be closer to correct...applied in a parallel plane to the floor.

Also, the force doesn't have to be aimed: a force user can just do this thing where the use the force in a 360 degree blast, all around themselves. Vader showed us an example where force crush was applied to a specific room...not just field of vision.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Try this. Set a marble on the ground, then next to it, set a fire the same size as the marble.

Flick the marble with your finger.

Flick the small fire.

Observe.

This in no way replicates the force.

Instead, we will do this properly:

Set a marble on the ground, and light a thimble of alcohol on fire. then, take an air compressor to each. Observe. That's force-push.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Fire is NOT mass-less, though. That shoots that theory to shit, then.

Next.

Neither is smoke. Smoke is a colloid.

Next.

Double pwnage. Your two arguments, shot to shit in two simple sentences. I win teh internetz. naughty

SOLID mass, like a droid, blaster or lightsaber, dude. You drop a baseball onto the floor, it stays on the floor. Drop it into the ocean, it sinks, simple.

You said colloid haermm

Shoot a bullet into a can, it goes flying. Shoot it into a wall of smoke, the smoke is unaffected.

Originally posted by dadudemon
An electron has mass. So does a positron. Yoda said that size doesn't matter.

Are you going to even attempt to contradict Yoda when he is making statements about the nature of the force? How DARE you! 😠

😆

BTW, your point about "force lift" is retarded. There's not such thing as "force lift." It's just the telekinetic portion of the force being applied in a different way.

Also, you said "30 degrees" but that is just arbitrary. It was more like a flat area of force being applied. Degree measurements could probably be made, but 30 degrees is not correct. 180 degrees would be closer to correct...applied in a parallel plane to the floor.

Also, the force doesn't have to be aimed: a force user can just do this thing where the use the force in a 360 degree blast, all around themselves. Vader showed us an example where force crush was applied to a specific room...not just field of vision.

Force lift, force choke hold and push, it's all just TK, dude.

Where was this 180 degrees field that the force can be used on at Genosis? Dooooooooooh.

The force doesnt have to be aimed? Then whats with the arm extending shit? Onscreen feats prove you wrong. Even Yoda extended his arm and aimed his force attacks.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This in no way replicates the force.

Instead, we will do this properly:

Set a marble on the ground, and light a thimble of alcohol on fire. then, take an air compressor to each. Observe. That's force-push.

A thimble of alcohol is representing the fiendfyre here, I guess?

BTW, you are trying to explain how things work in the SW universe on a scientific level that applies to THIS universe. I just want to be sure you know you are doing that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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a force user can just do this thing where the use the force in a 360 degree blast, all around themselves. Vader showed us an example where force crush was applied to a specific room...not just field of vision.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Force lift, force choke hold and push, it's all just TK, dude.

That's what I said. 😐

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Where was this 180 degrees field that the force can be used on at Genosis? Dooooooooooh.

I have no idea what you're talking about. That's where they were. 😐

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The force doesnt have to be aimed? Then whats with the arm extending shit? Onscreen feats prove you wrong. Even Yoda extended his arm and aimed his force attacks.

Nah..I was going EU with that. But, you didn't notice. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
SOLID mass, like a droid, blaster or lightsaber, dude. You drop a baseball onto the floor, it stays on the floor. Drop it into the ocean, it sinks, simple.

You said colloid haermm

Shoot a bullet into a can, it goes flying. Shoot it into a wall of smoke, the smoke is unaffected.

Nothing you said changes anything I've stated. 😬 You don't even come close to properly addressing my post.

Death Eaters and the rest of Voldy's ilk have already shown themselves weak to manipulation. The dementors are ruitinly controled.

I'm thinking a random Padawan says "this isn't the Jedi Temple you are looking for" and the most the Wizard brew leave confused.

For any that remain the Jedi simply call in their starfighters. I mean if Dementors can appear half way threw the thread. Why not Jedi starfighters, speeder bikes etc.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A thimble of alcohol is representing the fiendfyre here, I guess?

I'm confused as to why you're asking. Duh?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
BTW, you are trying to explain how things work in the SW universe on a scientific level that applies to THIS universe. I just want to be sure you know you are doing that.

Indeed. Using logic and science in a versus thread is fail. We should make up shit, arbitrarily, and pretend that's the way it works. awesome hahahahahaa

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's what I said. 😐

I have no idea what you're talking about. That's where they were. 😐

Nah..I was going EU with that. But, you didn't notice. 🙂

Good then.

You dumbshit haermm Why didnt they use force attacks that encompassed 180 degrees? They didnt, they cant.

Self pwned.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nothing you said changes anything I've stated. 😬 You don't even come close to properly addressing my post.

Question for you: In all the SW films, was a Jedi ever shown successfully anything other than solid objects? Droids, blasters, rock, sabers, etc;?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm confused as to why you're asking. Duh?

Indeed. Using logic and science in a versus thread is fail. We should make up shit, arbitrarily, and pretend that's the way it works. awesome hahahahahaa

The thimble is solid, dude, the fire is not. Fiendfyre does not come in a thimble.

You blow on the fire, it goes out. Fiendfyre cannot be put out, it burns until the caster decides to extinguish it, or when it runs out of fuel.

No, we should stick to onscreen feats. The Jedi cannot force push fiendfyre, no matter how you twist it.

theres a typo in the quote below your signature you said know instead of now 😄

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Death Eaters and the rest of Voldy's ilk have already shown themselves weak to manipulation. The dementors are ruitinly controled.

I'm thinking a random Padawan says "this isn't the Jedi Temple you are looking for" and the most the Wizard brew leave confused.

For any that remain the Jedi simply call in their starfighters. I mean if Dementors can appear half way threw the thread. Why not Jedi starfighters, speeder bikes etc.

Occlumency, dude, and the death eaters aren't the dolts you make them out to be.

No starfighters here. And if they are called upon, fiendfyre them.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
theres a typo in the quote below your signature you said know instead of now 😄

Here, what I said here:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Jaden, you can't alter what someone did onscreen. If they did a certain feat on a certain item/person, then we can use only that. A Jedi is never shown force pushing an object that has no mass, therefore they can't. Not here, anyway. Even if it makes you smack the wall and yell "Logic be damned!!!"

Since the introduction of the new MVF "golden rule", that's the way of things. I didn't make the rules, Impediment did. And I'll admit that it's much easier this way.

Sums it up.

Question: If Force push is what you are saying it is, if it can do all that you can say it can, how come none of the Jedi use Force push on blaster bolts? This should be good. PT only, remember.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I dont know what you're talking about.

heh heh. 😖hifty: