Originally posted by Nephthys
Wizards win? How do the Dementors make the 'wizards win'? They make the Dementors win becuase they can't be beaten, you may as well put God on their side.
Exactly. A wizard (Umbridge) can control them, therefore they are a weapon that makes the wizards unbeatable.
And how exactly does she summon the Dementors? Is there a spell? Does she need to send an owl? She's on Coruscant, are there Dementors there? We have no idea how she ordered them about before, for all we know she had to steal a once-only security seal of approval, we don't know if she can replicate.
They are under the control of the ministry, Fudge is the head of the ministry, she is his second. He pretty much went with whatever she said in OOTP. Dunno if it's a spell or whatever, all that matters is she can summon them and order them.
Also, technically you stated that it would be the 'Hogwarts staff', you never said which incarnation of it though. Forum rules dictate that its therefore the newest one, of which Umbridge is not a member.
Bullshit, there is no forum rule stating this.
Half-apparating. Which is obvious if you actually watch the damn scene.No, they didn't.
Half apparating is what we see at the beginning of THBP, and when Tonks is chasing Bellatrix around in the battle scene. Apparating is what we see when the OOTP members are not there one second, then BAM, they are there.
Actually, they did. They just couldn't show it visibly in the movie because of various reasons. However when asked the exact same question you did, Lucas and co said that they in fact were using FSpeed.
They couldn't show it? Dude, stop reaching. It wasn't shown, therefore it didnt happen.
And way to dodge the point btw.
No, I covered and buried your point.
Yes there is. I just posted it.
No, there isn't, stop denying what we are shown onscreen.
Relevance?
That either they burst through it with brute force, or with a spell?
You mean fallible. And yes it is fallible. It can be overwhelmed and it can be overlooked, the users are only human (and Yoda etc), but not to a degree that you'd like to think. For example, Vader was totally focused on Luke in that scene (if I know what the hell you're talking about), so he didn't concentrate on precog. In a face to face battle, Jedi do.Also, PIS.
Yeah, I was being sarcastic, of course it's fallible.
It wont be a one on one battle, dude, there will be fiendfyre comets exploding everywhere.
If its the same way you know how magic works, you don't know shit. And concession accepted.
haermm Whatever. I conceded nothing.
Proof? Or are you making stuff up?
The fact that Voldemort was able to control it in OOTP, and the scene at the burrow in THBP.
The definition of a spite thread.
The thread was necessary because wizard power is constantly underestimated here, now that I have proven without a doubt that the wizards win, it has served it's purpose.
Aha, whatever you say sport. Now bear in mind that this point was originally about how a Jedi could counter Fiendfyre and see how much sense that makes.
A Jedi cant counter fiendfyre, thats the whole point.
Again a dodge. My point was that Yoda could snap Volde's neck and dodge a death spell at the same time, which he can.
Dont see how Yoda is gonna snap Voldys neck when Voldy is hundreds of feet away, but OK.
Or if Malfoy has his Hand of Glory. But still, Jedi senses.
Again, precog is proven unreliable.
'Magic is just a form of energy, just like the Force, blah blah'.Except by tombstones, remember? And Jedi can easily dodge death spells. Particularly when only a few have shown to be able to use it and the fact that not just anyone can use it and that you have to be exceptionally strong to cause anything stronger than a nose-bleed.
And force lightning and force spells would be blocked by a wall, point?
Absence of proof is not proof of absence. The air is not visibly shown on-screen, is it there?
No haermm Dunno where you're going with this, but OK. We see two death eaters, thats what we have to work with.
Thats your interpretation, there are numerous other's. You have proven nothing.
Based on what we are shown in the movies, my interpretation is accurate.
Good, or this argument is done.
The argument was done the moment the thread was started, it's retarded to think the Jedi cna contend with what the wizards have to offer.
So she can't just summon them magically? Shame, there goes your last hope, no dementors.
I already covered this.
No, you see Fiendfyre coming from above and then Bellatrix doing the same. You assume the two are linked, when really you can't prove any such thing. Stupid Nice try though.
Any other dark wizards SHOWN in that scene? Nope. It was Bellatrix and the werewolf, thats it. We are shown them and only them, therefore it was them.