Howgarts wizards versus Sidious and the Jedi Order...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fire cannot be knocked over, nor can it be shattered. Try again, try harder. Tell me a scene in the SW movies when a Jedi is shown force pushing all around him, all at once, front, back, left, right and above him.

Waiting.

Fire is affected by wind/air forces though. You can try this, get a match, light it; then blow on it. Record the result.

Also, your thread is either a spite-thread from the start, or just another gimp-fest until the wizards win, either way, it's sad.

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Very well Rogue. If you want so much to include the Clones and their gear. I am more then game.

Gunships frag any wizards flying about outside the temple. Fiendfyre is less then usefull against their armor and their are so many of them and can put out such a volume of fire the wizards will not have the time or man power to avoid all their shots and like the Jedi go down to massed blaster fire.

Apparate all you want. When the Clones can cover every square foot with blaster fire it'll be less then usefull.

As for your yarn about deconstrucing fighters or landing on top. The wizards simpley don't have the speed to catch fighters. Maybe gunships or speeder, but even that is a maybe. Further while they are chanting away they are getting torn to peices by blaster fire.

Not to mention. You still haven't really given a good reason why the Jedi can't simpley mind frag'em and knick their sh!t. A Jedi throwing his hand up in a general direction is a tad bit quicker then a wizard pointing his wand and spouting an incantation. Even more so when Jedi are shown to opperate at speeds outside of humans. Able to block blaster bolts at mere meter(s) away and while said bolts are not bullet speed. Just eyeballing the battles in AOTC suggests that blaster can travel at least 200-400fps or the same speed as a crossbow.

To put that into perspective a 1911 Colt .45 auto pistol's rounds travel at a minumum of 800fps. So dodging a blaster bolt at meter is the equivlent to dodging a pistol round at 2 meters at least in terms of reaction time. So unless wizards can apperate at near bullet speeds it wont help much. Nor will they have time for anything fancy before the Jedi grab their wands and brooms etc and KTFO.

It was a sarcasm post.

And at that point of full non gimpage, The death star should take care of business nicely. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Fire is affected by wind/air forces though. You can try this, get a match, light it; then blow on it. Record the result.

Also, your thread is either a spite-thread from the start, or just another gimp-fest until the wizards win, either way, it's sad.

Yes, the match will go out. But fiendfyre is cursed with dark magic, it burns so intensely that water evaporates before it even touches it. It ill go on and on and on as long as the caster wants, as fast and as big as the caster wants, until the job is done. It can be controlled/cast from hundreds of feet away.

Again, how is it gimped? How is it spite? You throw these words around but never answer me directly when I ask why. if anything, the wizards having one of their biggest weapons in the dementors taken away, its wizard gimping.

No counter for the other ways I posted the wizards winning? Thought not.

And still waiting. When, oh when, in any of the SW movies, was a Jedi shown force pushing 360 degrees around him, AND above him?

Waiting.....Go Dodgers!!!

You dodged mind control, death stars, the fact that clone armour and clone vehicle armour would most likely deal with any fire spells.
And Jedi, with Precog, would know where its gonna attack from and evade it.

Force ghosts might trump Dementors for all you know.
The force certainly can.
It affects matter.

And if your dementors arent matter, then in this debate the dont ermmmm.....matter.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You dodged mind control, death stars, the fact that clone armour and clone vehicle armour would most likely deal with any fire spells.
And Jedi, with Precog, would know where its gonna attack from and evade it.

Force ghosts might trump Dementors for all you know.
The force certainly can.
It affects matter.

And if your dementors arent matter, then in this debate the dont ermmmm.....matter.

Occlumency and Legilimens negate the Jedi mind trick, and vice versa, let's be fair.

The dementors would pwn the Clones.

Force ghosts weren't around until the end of ROTS. And force ghosts have no powers.

Incorrect. Yoda made contact with QuiGonn in ROTS.

Ghosts with no measurable matter prescence have none either.

Yet we've seen that the force has effect.
And it affects all matter, because it is the energy that binds matter, that makes it, in a sense.

Read the OP very carefully:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, check this out:

All of the upper level Hogwarts wizards plan to invade the Jedi Temple, overtake it by any means necessary. They can either kill or incapacitate the Jedi, it's up to the wizard. The Jedi are unaware of the attack until it happens.

The wizards: Voldemort, his Death Eaters, Dumbledore and the entire Hogwarts staff, The Order of the Phoenix, Harry, and any other extremely gifted Hogwarts students.

The Jedi defending the temple include every Jedi Knight/Master from ROTS. No Padawans or younglings. We can even include ones not shown but mentioned, like Quinlan Vos.

Before the battle begins, Sidious confronts Anakin in a locked room and tells him the bullshit about being able to save Padme. As Anakin mulls this over, the battle begins. Yoda enters the room and engages Sidious in lightsaber combat. Does Anakin turn and help Sidious against Yoda, or does he stay Jedi and rush to help his Jedi comrades?

Let's do two scenarios:

1. Anakin turns Sith and helps Sidious against Yoda, in this scenario, Mace Windu comes in to help Yoda.

2. Anakin stays Jedi, rushes to help the Jedi, leaving Yoda and Sidious to fight one on one.

And who wins the battle? Bear in mind that the Clone troopers are spread out across the galaxy, and cannot help here.

The Hogwarts wizards can use any spell they know, and have the potions/gadgets shown in the HP movies.

Especially this part:

The Hogwarts wizards can use any spell they know, and have the potions/gadgets shown in the HP movies.

And, Roger Dodger...?

See the potions/gadgets part?

Yep.

See my "You dont know that it'll be effective against the force/jedi/sith/clones" part..?

Plus you give it the large about all these half apparating wielders of fiendfyre, yet you neglect to mention that there only high levels users of dark magic can control it/use it effectively.... and it doesnt sound like anybody is gonna cast anything whilst apparating.

Also, does that mean the sith/jjedi can use all force abilities and tricks..? Or is that gimping...?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yep.

See my "You dont know that it'll be effective against the force/jedi/sith/clones" part..?

Plus you give it the large about all these half apparating wielders of fiendfyre, yet you neglect to mention that there only high levels users of dark magic can control it/use it effectively.

Now....

You know what Felix Felicis is? The Draught of living death? Familiar with those?

Well shit, whilst we are bringing in all the guns, Space Slug and Rancor devastate the Wizard ranks, crushing and eating every wizard that the Star destroyers and other heavy artillery dont wipe out.

Also you asked about 360 force direction attack:

Witness ROTS Vader in the chamber with "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo."

That buries that one.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well shit, whilst we are bringing in all the guns, Space Slug and Rancor devastate the Wizard ranks, crushing and eating every wizard that the Star destroyers and other heavy artillery dont wipe out.

Also you asked about 360 force direction attack:

Witness ROTS Vader in the chamber with "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo."

That buries that one.

The 360 force attack, yeah, and Vader takes out his fellow Jedi in the process.

They are weak minded beasts. Mind tricks work on the weak minded.

You do the math.

Answer: "Yes Sadako, you're correct again. Anakin controlled the Horned beast in the AOTC arena..!"

Really RJ, with the greatest possible respect, with all this constant having to tell you basic things like this, its times like that I question your correctness when you assert that youre a bigger SW fanboy than HP.

'Cause if your HP fanboyship is anything like you SW fanship, then you probably dont really know what your on about realistically with regards to the wizard posse's abilities..
Plenty of other HP fans have taken you to task also on many of your HP statements.

The Felix Felicis potion, also known as "Liquid luck."

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Felicis

Felix Felicis is a potion that is "Liquid Luck". Felix Felicis makes the drinker lucky for a period of time, depending on how much is taken, during which time everything they attempt will be successful. It must be used sparingly, however, because if taken in excess it causes giddiness, recklessness and dangerous overconfidence. It is highly toxic in large quantities, and is also a banned substance in all organised competitions such as Quidditch, along with all other methods of cheating. It is very difficult to make, disastrous to get wrong and must stew for six months before it is ready to be consumed.

Harry wins a vial of Felix Felicis from Slughorn in potions class after making a perfect concoction of Draught of living death. Enough for "One perfect day." Slughorn literally says "One sip and you'll find that all your endeavors succeed." and he also said that he took it twice in his life, and hd two perfect days.

Now....

Snape is potions master. He simply brews a big ass vat of Felix Felicis, enough for all the wizards to consume, and abra cadabra, they will all succeed in their every endeavor. Including taking the Jedi temple.

NOW.....

The potion takes six months to brew, according to the link I provided. Snape uses the time turner to go back six months prior, leaves himself a note to brew the potion (Or tells Slughorn), and on the day of the attack, presto, liquid luck.

The wizards will have infinite luck, they will succeed at everything they try. A Jedi swings a lightsaber at them, the wizard somehow avoids it, and spells them. No matter what the Jedi throw at them, the wizards will win in the end.

How ya like dem apples?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

The 360 force attack, yeah, and Vader takes out his fellow Jedi in the process.

They spread out to engage. Its a basic thing in combat.

The republic/empire forces arent gonna bunch all up and wait for the wizards to attack them all together, silly...... 😛

The Jedi know how to fighta war, and they know about sacrifice. The wont let destruction to some building be stopping them.

NOW.....Draught of living death......

A wizard apparates to Padmes quarters as she is sleeping (at a time when Anakin is know to be busy doing Jedi shit) and gets a lock of her hair. They brew a polyjuice potion with it. They ingest the polyjuice potion, and assume the form of Padme. They take a bucket of Draught of living Death and pour it into the Jedi temples water supply. Bada bing bada boom, dead Jedi. Slughorn did say, after all, of Harry's concoction, "It's perfect, one drop would kill us all."

It doesnt even have to be Padme, it can be some low level bureaucrat, or a senator, or even a youngling. The possibilities are endless.

Easy cheesy lemon squeezy.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They are weak minded beasts. Mind tricks work on the weak minded.

You do the math.

Answer: "Yes Sadako, you're correct again. Anakin controlled the Horned beast in the AOTC arena..!"

Really RJ, with the greatest possible respect, with all this constant having to tell you basic things like this, its times like that I question your correctness when you assert that youre a bigger SW fanboy than HP.

'Cause if your HP fanboyship is anything like you SW fanship, then you probably dont really know what your on about realistically with regards to the wizard posse's abilities..
Plenty of other HP fans have taken you to task also on many of your HP statements.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They spread out to engage. Its a basic thing in combat.

The republic/empire forces arent gonna bunch all up and wait for the wizards to attack them all together, silly...... 😛

The Jedi know how to fighta war, and they know about sacrifice. The wont let destruction to some building be stopping them.

See, the Jedi aren't aware they are being attacked until it happens. They are purely reactionary here.

Even with knowledge of the attack, they are gonna do everything in their power to defend the temple, dont be dim.

They can spread out all they want, fiendfyre will spread out even more, it will find them, it will consume them. The wizard controlling it will be hundreds of feet away, safely hidden.