Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, the Jedi aren't aware they are being attacked until it happens. They are purely reactionary here.Even with knowledge of the attack, they are gonna do everything in their power to defend the temple, dont be dim.
They can spread out all they want, fiendfyre will spread out even more, it will find them, it will consume them. The wizard controlling it will be hundreds of feet away, safely hidden.
"Both get prep". Its always been your rule. So dont be silly.
Dont be dim...? LOL Next to you im a 1,000,000,000 watt lighthouse at the heart of a supernova. (Mind you so was forrest gump....) And Im probably not a genius. 😛
Now go work on that shrimp recipe book. 😉
It can be coutered with spells also. One wizards have been mind tricked into using , or the clone forces have been taught how to spell Aguamenti, thats the end of that.
And whos to say that the couple of wizards capable of using it arent targetted first....? 🙂
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthDid I post that they get prep? Nope, so they dont get prep.
"Both get prep". Its always been your rule. So dont be silly.Dont be dim...? LOL Next to you im a 1,000,000,000 watt lighthouse at the heart of a supernova. (Mind you so was forrest gump....) And Im probably not a genius. 😛
Now go work on that shrimp recipe book. 😉It can be coutered with spells also. One wizards have been mind tricked into using , or the clone forces have been taught how to spell Aguamenti, thats the end of that.
And whos to say that the couple of wizards capable of using it arent targetted first....? 🙂
For the rest, crylaugh Clones usng magic!!! crylaugh
Oh MAN my sides.....Ooooooooooooh..... crylaugh
Felix Felicis, dude, Felix Felicis. You're done, beaten, accept the pwn and move on.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Did I post that they get prep? Nope, so they dont get prep.For the rest, crylaugh Clones usng magic!!! crylaugh
Oh MAN my sides.....Ooooooooooooh..... crylaugh
Felix Felicis, dude, Felix Felicis. You're done, beaten, accept the pwn and move on.
Theres nothing to accept, other that what a waste of time partaking in this epic gimpfest this was, maybe.
And your reasons for Clones not being able to use magic is...?
The sith/Jedi probably can.
And f**k prep then, too......Jedi precog wins. 🙂
We've countered your spell logic explanations with the force counters, superior numbers, tech advantage, range advantage, firepower advantage, the fact that your army as it were, are not as effective in combat as you make them out to be.
Accept the pwn and move on.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Theres nothing to accept, other that what a waste of time partaking in this epic gimpfest this was, maybe.And your reasons for Clones not being able to use magic is...?
The sith/Jedi probably can.And f**k prep then, too......Jedi precog wins. 🙂
We've countered your spell logic explanations with the force counters, superior numbers, tech advantage, range advantage, firepower advantage, the fact that your army as it were, are not as effective in combat as you make them out to be.
Accept the pwn and move on.
"You will succeed in your every endeavor." The wizards will succeed in everything they try, no exceptions.
No counter for that.
Clones using magic crylaugh
Superior numbers my ass, I did the count, the wizards outnumber the Jedi by a ton.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Too bad you have the IQ of Forrest Gumps left nut. Theres no gimping here. It's the Jedi versus the wizards wizard power against Jedi power. I already removed the dementors, which are, BTW, a weapon available any time Umbridge wants them.Hey, I betcha think Batman can beat Voldemort, doncha?
well you must want an eventual talk with a global mod.. all this thread is nothing but gimping all on your part.. Rob and Sadako have told you and yet you keep wanting to deny it.. if you want to talk about IQ, yours must be 2 since you have been acting like a two year child throwing temper tantrums when you cannot get your way
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerFirst of all, apologies for the insult.
well you must want an eventual talk with a global mod.. all this thread is nothing but gimping all on your part.. Rob and Sadako have told you and yet you keep wanting to deny it.. if you want to talk about IQ, yours must be 2 since you have been acting like a two year child throwing temper tantrums when you cannot get your way
Secondly, the Jedi are being allowed all their powers. The wizards are being allowed the same. Potions are a wizards weapons, potions and spells. Theres no gimping, it's full Jedi power against full Wizard power. The wizards come out on top, I have proven it with screen feats and wizard powers.
There's no beating the Felix Felicis potion, dude.
Rob and sadako can talk all they want, it's obvious that they have no clue as to the true extent of a wizards power.
Temper tantrums? Get my way? I never did anything close to having a tantrum.
K. I admit defeat. The Wizards win. The Felix Felicis potion takes the cake....but you have to prove it can be used, first. I don't see how it could be used.
The OP DOES say they have access to their potions. That also means Felix Felicis.
The polyjuice potion with the death potion won't work, though. The Jedi will not sense a recon person, but they definitely will sense when the imposter tries to poisen everyone as sensing the "deadly intent" seems to be a rather fundemental ability. (RJ and I already talked about that.)
However, that still does not negate the use of Felix Felicis potion: liquid luck. I don't see a way around that potion. I was mistaken about it's traits. I thought it would increase luck, but not make evey endeaver successful. I forgot about what Slughorn said about it. So, I thought I was pwned and ready to give up. But not quite. hehehe
However, that potion is very rare and hard to make. (6 month brew time.) But, that doesn't change the fact that the wizards have ONE time-turner. All one has to do is turn the time-turner thingie back one time for each hour they want to go back. That means that the person with the time turner would have to be turned back 4368 times. (That's 6 months times 30.4 days (average days in month) times 24 hours = 4368 turns.)
That would take a long time to do and count. Jedi can read minds of even well trained force users (episode 6). If we consider Occlumency, only a very very few Wizards would be able to resist. Someone is bound to spill the beans and ruin the plan to turn back time. I.E.: no Felix Felicis potion for the wizards.
That means we are back at sqaure 1, RJ.
No luck potion.
And no poisen potion to the Jedi water supply.
So, back to the originals:
Fiendfyre would be easily controlled by the Jedi, which routinely showed better TK strength than the Wizards.
Spells fly much slower than blasterbolts and the Jedi can handle multiple sources of blaster bolt fire which negates the next one:
Even if the Jedi are outnumbered, a Jedi can easily handle multiple sources of blaster bolt fire (i'd say that Padawans can't handle anymore than 4 and up level master's like Mace and Yoda can't handle anymore than 7-10.)
The death potion to the water supply won't work as the Jedi would easily sense the killing intent...the person attempting that would have to be a complete retard: attempting something like that in the middle of tons of Jedi.
I would say that the first 5-10 second of the fight sees most of the wizards dead with little to no casulaties on the Jedi side. The rest would be down to taking out the Death Eaters, Dumbles, McGonagill, Flitwick, Voldy, etc.
Also, I don't want to read again, from ANYONE, the very ignorant idea that fire is massless.
This thread is Fail. And that part about 'all your endeavours will be successful is pure hyperbole'. Example: 'I'm going to try blow up the universe with my mind! This potion will make it possible!' No, that will not work. You know what that means? The potion is INFALLLIBLE!!!!!!!!!!! So it will fail 100% of the time without fail.
Its basic logic guys. 🙄
edit: And yes, the Force is an energy field that permetes everything in the universe, from air to mountains to sub-atomic matter. Fire can be manipulated.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This thread is Fail. And that part about 'all your endeavours will be successful is pure hyperbole'. Example: 'I'm going to try blow up the universe with my mind! This potion will make it possible!' No, that will not work. You know what that means? The potion is [b]INFALLLIBLE!!!!!!!!!!! So it will fail 100% of the time without fail.Its basic logic guys. 🙄
edit: And yes, the Force is an energy field that permetes everything in the universe, from air to mountains to sub-atomic matter. Fire can be manipulated. [/B]
Good point. I forgot about the infinite fallacy argument. It's true, the person will not succeed at anything and everything he or she attempts. That'd be retarded. That make them a God until it wore off. If it really did that, Voldy would brew that stuff one time, attempt to make himself immortal, and turn everything voldy-like.
Originally posted by dadudemonHowever, that still does not negate the use of Felix Felicis potion: liquid luck. I don't see a way around that potion. I was mistaken about it's traits. I thought it would increase luck, but not make evey endeaver successful. I forgot about what Slughorn said about it. So, I thought I was pwned and ready to give up. But not quite. hehehe
Slughorn literally said, and I quote, "One sip and you will be successful in all of your endeavors."
And again:
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Felicis
Felix Felicis is a potion that is "Liquid Luck". Felix Felicis makes the drinker lucky for a period of time, depending on how much is taken, during which time everything they attempt will be successful. It must be used sparingly, however, because if taken in excess it causes giddiness, recklessness and dangerous overconfidence. It is highly toxic in large quantities, and is also a banned substance in all organised competitions such as Quidditch, along with all other methods of cheating. It is very difficult to make, disastrous to get wrong and must stew for six months before it is ready to be consumed.
everything they attempt will be successful.
Everything the wizards try to achieve will end in success. Everything.
However, that potion is very rare and hard to make. (6 month brew time.)Snape and Slughorn are potions masters. Snape is the Half Blood Prince, dude. Did I mention that he is the potions master?
But, that doesn't change the fact that the wizards have ONE time-turner.
Sure about that?
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Time-Turner
Hermione Granger received one from Professor McGonagall in 1993 so she could attend more classes in her third year than time would allow.
Says "one", not "the." It's silly to assume they have only one time turner. In the OOTP novel the ministry has a huge cache of them. I know, it's the book, just saying.
There's only one rememberall shown, you think it's the only one in existence?
All one has to do is turn the time-turner thingie back one time for each hour they want to go back. That means that the person with the time turner would have to be turned back 4368 times. (That's 6 months times 30.4 days (average days in month) times 24 hours = 4368 turns.)Yeah except no. The wizards will be at Hogwarts, dude, they aren't on Coruscant until the battle begins.That would take a long time to do and count. Jedi can read minds of even well trained force users (episode 6). If we consider Occlumency, only a very very few Wizards would be able to resist. Someone is bound to spill the beans and ruin the plan to turn back time. I.E.: no Felix Felicis potion for the wizards.
That means we are back at sqaure 1, RJ.
No luck potion.
Dumbledore goes to Snape and orders him to use the time turner to go back and leave a note for himself, or tell the past Dumbledore, to make sure the Felicis potion is made. No other wizard knows about it. Snape and Dumbledore, both masters of Occlumency, AND in a different universe, dude, no way in hell do the Jedi read their intent. The other wizards dont know about the potion until right before the attack, when they consume it.
So, we are back to the Felix Felicis potion being unbeatable.
Originally posted by dadudemonEverything within REASON, dude. Of course the wizards wont be able to travel to Jupiter, or obtain Hancock like powers, taking the Jedi temple is entirely within reason.
Good point. I forgot about the infinite fallacy argument. It's true, the person will not succeed at anything and everything he or she attempts. That'd be retarded. That make them a God until it wore off. If it really did that, Voldy would brew that stuff one time, attempt to make himself immortal, and turn everything voldy-like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensieve#Pensieve
A large supply of Time-Turners is kept at the Ministry, as seen in Order of the Phoenix; however, during the events of that book a glass-fronted cabinet containing Time-Turners is destroyed. Due to their time-affecting properties, the cabinet is seen to fall, shatter and repair itself repeatedly. In Half-Blood Prince, Hermione mentions an article in The Daily Prophet stating that "the entire stock of Ministry Time-Turners" was destroyed during that incident. The books do not discuss who else may be in possession of Time-Turners outside of the Ministry.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Slughorn literally said, and I quote, "One sip and you will be successful in all of your endeavors."And again:
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Felicis
Felix Felicis is a potion that is "Liquid Luck". Felix Felicis makes the drinker lucky for a period of time, depending on how much is taken, during which time everything they attempt will be successful. It must be used sparingly, however, because if taken in excess it causes giddiness, recklessness and dangerous overconfidence. It is highly toxic in large quantities, and is also a banned substance in all organised competitions such as Quidditch, along with all other methods of cheating. It is very difficult to make, disastrous to get wrong and must stew for six months before it is ready to be consumed.
[b]everything they attempt will be successful.
Everything the wizards try to achieve will end in success. Everything.[/B]
K. That doesn't address what I said, though. And, you are making the infinite powah fallacy, as well. Not every endeavor will succeed. That's obviously out of context or an exaggeration.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Snape and Slughorn are potions masters. Snape is the Half Blood Prince, dude. Did I mention that he is the potions master?Sure about that?
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Time-Turner
Hermione Granger received one from Professor McGonagall in 1993 so she could attend more classes in her third year than time would allow.
Says "one", not "the." It's silly to assume they have only one time turner. In the OOTP novel the ministry has a huge cache of them. I know, it's the book, just saying.
It is up to you to prove that more than one exists. You're also using a wiki to make a canon point. We only see one. Voldy doesn't use one. Dumbles doesn't. Etc. We only see one. It certainly is possible that more than one exists, sure. But we don't see it. 🙂
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There's only one rememberall shown, you think it's the only one in existence?
Sure. If that's the only one seen in the movies. Unless you cna prove that they manufacture remembrals en-masse?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah except no. The wizards will be at Hogwarts, dude, they aren't on Coruscant until the battle begins.
Dumbledore goes to Snape and orders him to use the time turner to go back and leave a note for himself, or tell the past Dumbledore, to make sure the Felicis potion is made. No other wizard knows about it. Snape and Dumbledore, both masters of Occlumency, AND in a different universe, dude, no way in hell do the Jedi read their intent. The other wizards dont know about the potion until right before the attack, when they consume it.
So, we are back to the Felix Felicis potion being unbeatable. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry, you can't amend the thread conditions. You can't arbitrarily assign people things to do before the thread starts. If you do tha for the wizards, you must do it for the Jedi. So, the Jedi setup heat seeking sentry guns inside of the temple, vacate the temple completely, and let the wizards get shot to death in less than 1 second.
See how that works?
And, Occlumency is magic. The force is not magic. Only wizards with really strong wills will be able to avoid getting mind-controlled. No wizard will be able to withstand their minds getting read, however. None of them can use the force therefore, none of them will be able to block out the other force users from reading their thoughts.
On top of that, the jedi have precognition. They will see the attack and the means for attack from the Wizards coming.
You see, that's the trouble with fighting someone with precog abilities: they will know what's going to happen. Lulz.
Or, are you going to say that the emperor is clouding the force, negating the precog? Then that would be gimping the Jedi then, wouldn't it?
So, in other words, there is nothing you have presented that will work, RJ.
You need to come up with something else since everything you've come up with has been destroyed.
BTW, I'm smarter than BOTH of Gump's nuts. 😆
And the Confundus charm is being ignored.
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Confundus_Charm
The Confundus Charm is a jinx that causes a person or animated object to become highly confused. There appear to be varying degrees of inflicted confusion, ranging from tricking a person about a specific issue to making them lose all semblance of common sense, even to the point of endangering themselves.[1] The incantation is "Confundo".
Hermione was hundreds of feet away from the keeper at the quittich trials, whispered the spell under her breath, without a wand, and it spelled him.
30 to 40 wizards doing this, yeah, the Jedi are gonna be affected the same way. Lets say fiendfyre starts dropping and the Jedi are avoiding it and other wizards spells, this charm will do what it is meant to do.