Howgarts wizards versus Sidious and the Jedi Order...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And the Confundus charm is being ignored.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Confundus_Charm

The Confundus Charm is a jinx that causes a person or animated object to become highly confused. There appear to be varying degrees of inflicted confusion, ranging from tricking a person about a specific issue to making them lose all semblance of common sense, even to the point of endangering themselves.[1] The incantation is "Confundo".

Hermione was hundreds of feet away from the keeper at the quittich trials, whispered the spell under her breath, without a wand, and it spelled him.

30 to 40 wizards doing this, yeah, the Jedi are gonna be affected the same way. Lets say fiendfyre starts dropping and the Jedi are avoiding it and other wizards spells, this charm will do what it is meant to do.

Since that charm is not used very often, at all, it is quite obvious that it would not be the first choice.

In fact, not even in Deathly Hallows is that Charm used, at all. So, it would appear that when it comes to serious business, it isn't used.

You can't assign things to characters that would be out of character. You can't say that Yoda will force choke someone, despite Yoda being more than capable of doing. That's out of character for him. You can't say that the wizards will all think of using jinxes and charms right out of the gate because none of them are ever shown doing that in duels/battles. Also, is it instant? Post a vid of it. I could have sworn it wasn't. lulz

Oh, and Pwned.

No, but the wizards are shown using and sustaining fiendfyre for longer periods of time.

That's not the argument you were using though is it?

Wait, I misunderstood you, I thought you meant CHARACTERS. The powers displayed in ROTS are pretty much the same as TPM and AOTC, correct?

Yet you've effectively said before that if the characters don't use the ability in ROTS then they don't get to use the ability in the fight.

Again, you're talking force on force, fire on force is not the same. You proved shit.

You're argument is that force push has never been shown to be used on anything other than solid objects yet the force isn't a solid object and yet the force acts upon the force (as shown by that seen). You're not going to get around that argument simply by saying that because you can't see the force itself then it's not happening.

What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!

You're the one who needs to learn this lesson more than anyone.

You've been trying to attribute spells to wizards that never displayed them and in quantities that no wizard displayed them in throughout the entire thread and even when people have called you on it you've tried to make up excuses and reasons why your non canon claims are valid.

The Jedi are not shown force pushing ANYTHING that is not solid (blasters, droids, etc), never, not once. What you are doing is assuming that because Obi Wan and Anakin were deadlocked in a force push, a Jedi can totally stop a huge wall of fiendfyre. Your assumption is wrong and laughable. I'll say it again:

So the force is solid now is it? It's quite evident that it's not the force acting on both Anakin and Obi Wan but is, in fact, the force acting upon the force...The force is not a solid object. It is energy with no mass...Exactly the same as fire. So I'd say that the assumption that it'd work on something with similar properties isn't wrong and laughable at all. It's entirely valid. You just don't want it to be because it nullifys the only argument you've had for the last 16 pages.

When the hell did I say the force cannot affect wizards? I claimed that a wizard is nothing more than a cloud of smoke while half apparating, therefore they cannot be harmed by force atttacks, that's all. You make it sound like I said wizard are unfazed by the force.

And what's the basis for that opinion? That the force doesn't act on things with no mass?...Despite the fact that i've proven you catagorically wrong on that point.

Undeniable and undebatable fact is that the Jedi are never shown force pushing something that has no mass. End fact.

Yes they are...Repeating it doesn't make it true. The force acts upon the force...The force has no mass. Proven using a scene from ROTS which is your criteria...There's no point in denying it. It's blatently obvious and has a several second close up shot of it happening.

Originally posted by dadudemon
K. That doesn't address what I said, though. And, you are making the infinite powah fallacy, as well. Not every endeavor will succeed. That's obviously out of context or an exaggeration.

It is up to you to prove that more than one exists. You're also using a wiki to make a canon point. We only see one. Voldy doesn't use one. Dumbles doesn't. Etc. We only see one. It certainly is possible that more than one exists, sure. But we don't see it. 🙂

Sure. If that's the only one seen in the movies. Unless you cna prove that they manufacture remembrals en-masse?

Dumbledore goes to Snape and orders him to use the time turner to go back and leave a note for himself, or tell the past Dumbledore, to make sure the Felicis potion is made. No other wizard knows about it. Snape and Dumbledore, both masters of Occlumency, AND in a different universe, dude, no way in hell do the Jedi read their intent. The other wizards dont know about the potion until right before the attack, when they consume it.

So, we are back to the Felix Felicis potion being unbeatable

Sorry, you can't amend the thread conditions. You can't arbitrarily assign people things to do before the thread starts. If you do tha for the wizards, you must do it for the Jedi. So, the Jedi setup heat seeking sentry guns inside of the temple, vacate the temple completely, and let the wizards get shot to death in less than 1 second.

See how that works?

And, Occlumency is magic. The force is not magic. Only wizards with really strong wills will be able to avoid getting mind-controlled. No wizard will be able to withstand their minds getting read, however. None of them can use the force therefore, none of them will be able to block out the other force users from reading their thoughts.

On top of that, the jedi have precognition. They will see the attack and the means for attack from the Wizards coming.

You see, that's the trouble with fighting someone with precog abilities: they will know what's going to happen. Lulz.

Or, are you going to say that the emperor is clouding the force, negating the precog? Then that would be gimping the Jedi then, wouldn't it?

So, in other words, there is nothing you have presented that will work, RJ.

You need to come up with something else since everything you've come up with has been destroyed.

BTW, I'm smarter than BOTH of Gump's nuts. 😆

Every endeavor within reason will succeed. Taking the Jedi down is within reason.

You realize how dense you are being by saying not more than one time turner exists? When the professor gives it to Hermione, she doesn't say "This is the only one in existence." It stands to reason that there are more, man. Even if there is only one, then Snape turns it back as many times as it takes, he can count, you know.

I'm not amending anything. It's the eve of the attack, Dumbledore realizes Felix Felicis will make them unbeatable. He goes to Snape with a time turner, tells him to go back in time and to make sure the potion is made. Its quite simple, really.

No wizard will be able to resist the mind trick? OK, no Jedi will be able to resist Voldemort and his mind manipulaiton. See how that works?

Hey, I said on the first page that the events are as they were in ROTS. Even that means the Jedi have clouded judgement from the dark side, have you seen me ride that pony? Nope. Why? Because its gimping the Jedi.

The Felix Felicis will work, you know it will work. "One sip and your every endeavor will succeed." Obviously this means endeavors within reason, like taking out the Jedi, who the wizards outnumber, BTW.

Originally posted by jaden101
That's not the argument you were using though is it?

Yet you've effectively said before that if the characters don't use the ability in ROTS then they don't get to use the ability in the fight.

You're argument is that force push has never been shown to be used on anything other than solid objects yet the force isn't a solid object and yet the force acts upon the force (as shown by that seen). You're not going to get around that argument simply by saying that because you can't see the force itself then it's not happening.

You're the one who needs to learn this lesson more than anyone.

You've been trying to attribute spells to wizards that never displayed them and in quantities that no wizard displayed them in throughout the entire thread and even when people have called you on it you've tried to make up excuses and reasons why your non canon claims are valid.

So the force is solid now is it? It's quite evident that it's not the force acting on both Anakin and Obi Wan but is, in fact, the force acting upon the force...The force is not a solid object. It is energy with no mass...Exactly the same as fire. So I'd say that the assumption that it'd work on something with similar properties isn't wrong and laughable at all. It's entirely valid. You just don't want it to be because it nullifys the only argument you've had for the last 16 pages.

And what's the basis for that opinion? That the force doesn't act on things with no mass?...Despite the fact that i've proven you catagorically wrong on that point.

Yes they are...Repeating it doesn't make it true. The force acts upon the force...The force has no mass. Proven using a scene from ROTS which is your criteria...There's no point in denying it. It's blatently obvious and has a several second close up shot of it happening.

Snape uses a time turner to go back six months and make the Felix Felicis potion. The wizards take it before attacking.

"One sip and your every endeavor will succeed"

Again, obviously this means endeavors within reason, like fighting an enemy they outnumber.

The potion will male the wizards lucky in every way, yes, even attacking with fiendfyre.

I dunno what DDM is thinking, he knows I'm right. This whole "one time turner" argument argument is utter nonsense. Even with only one, the wizards can achieve victory.

You cant mindtrick a Jedi. 🙂
Onscreen feats.

Oh and btw the Emporer Palpatine may have already seen that and had spies slip his sith poop into all of that potion before the battle rendering it unusable.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You cant mindtrick a Jedi. 🙂
Onscreen feats.

Oh and btw the Emporer Palpatine may have already seen that and had spies slip his sith poop into all of that potion before the battle rendering it unusable.

Even though Voldemort controlled Quirrell for an entire damn movie. 😉 Bit over a year that was.

Well, while we're at it, "for the sake of argument" Im a millionaire porn star with a 2ft penis and I have an apartment block on Mars.

But it doesnt make it so.

Quirrell obviously was too weak minded to be a Jedi, then. 🙂

Palps would never succumb.
And Palps would see that coming and prepare.

How? How can someone literally prove that the Jedi mind trick is more powerful?

Im asserting merely that the Jedi are never mind tricked, and whole "The force has a strong influence on the weak minded" thing kinda was obvious and common knowledge since 1977..

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Snape uses a time turner to go back six months and make the Felix Felicis potion. The wizards take it before attacking.

"One sip and your every endeavor will succeed"

Again, obviously this means endeavors within reason, like fighting an enemy they outnumber.

The potion will male the wizards lucky in every way, yes, even attacking with fiendfyre.

I dunno what DDM is thinking, he knows I'm right. This whole "one time turner" argument argument is utter nonsense. Even with only one, the wizards can achieve victory.

Forgive my ignorance of HP but did Snape even concoct that potion in the movies. Did he ever own and use a time turner in the movies?

If not then he can't use them in that context.

I also believe only 5 people ever used that potion (one of them only in anecdotal stories and not shown)

See how this "on screen feats" only thing works and how you just ignore it to suit yourself yet insist that everyone else sticks to it rigidly?

Originally posted by jaden101
Forgive my ignorance of HP but did Snape even concoct that potion in the movies. Did he ever own and use a time turner in the movies?

If not then he can't use them in that context.

I also believe only 5 people ever used that potion (one of them only in anecdotal stories and not shown)

See how this "on screen feats" only thing works and how you just ignore it to suit yourself yet insist that everyone else sticks to it rigidly?

Snape is the potions master, you saying the potion master of Hogwarts school for witchcraft and wizardry cannot make Felix Felicis?

Doesn't matter how many people used the potion, Snape can make it, the wizards can inbibe it, it will work.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Im asserting merely that the Jedi are never mind tricked, and whole "The force has a strong influence on the weak minded" thing kinda was obvious and common knowledge since 1977..

Why...? All your magic stuff has to rely on matter that the force manipulates. Force users would always have the high card.

It's everyone versus RJ. lulz

Edit - The Jedi still see the future of a Ruined Jedi temple. Then, they vacate the prem, setup sentry guns, make swiss cheese with the Jedi. end thread?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Why...? All your magic stuff has to rely on matter that the force manipulates. Force users would always have the high card.

Not all "magical spells!" rely on what you are saying, some magic comes from within. Ignorance must truly be bliss with you. Thats not an insult BTW.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Point? Powers are powers and weapons are weapons. Doesnr matter where they come from.

Not all "magical spells!" rely on what you are saying, some magic comes from within. Ignorance must truly be bliss with you. Thats not an insult BTW.

MAGICAL SPELLS WIN THE THREADZ!

MAGICAL SPELLS! 😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's everyone versus RJ. lulz

Edit - The Jedi still see the future of a Ruined Jedi temple. Then, they vacate the prem, setup sentry guns, make swiss cheese with the Jedi. end thread?

Originally posted by dadudemon
MAGICAL SPELLS WIN THE THREADZ!

MAGICAL SPELLS! 😆

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nope. Yoda wouldn't do that, you know full well he would have his Jedi defend it themselves. "Always changing the future is."

Nope. Yoda wouldn't do that. Not at all. Yoda would flee, just like he did to dagoba. 😄

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Too bad only you and I will get that haermm

Please. You're just jealous 'cause Umbrige can control the Dementors with MAGICAL SPELLS!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Point? Powers are powers and weapons are weapons. Doesnr matter where they come from.

Not all "magical spells!" rely on what you are saying, some magic comes from within. Ignorance must truly be bliss with you. Thats not an insult BTW.

Point being that what ever you spell cast, the force will be able to affect change.

Oh really....? sounds like shit coming from within, to me.

Yes. Ignorance WOULD be a blissful change for me, and is a full time occupation for you. 🙂