Just watched the scene where the death eaters attack the Burrow. They rae flying around, half apparating, they fly THROUGH the wooden walls of the house, cast fiendfyre inside, then fly out the other side.
So yes, wizards can cast spells while half apparating.
Also....well, it was inevitable really.......Umbridge....Dementors......Yeah.
Originally posted by Rogue JediUm.....Yeah, it's really up to the poster to decide how to proceed in a versus thread, unless the thread starter specifies otherwise. There is no golden rule on how to compare powers, other than sticking to onscreen feats. For example if someone and I are doing it the way you describe and you don't like it, you just avoid commenting.
What...? Thats literally a confession to the effect of:
"I'll make up any way it should end and you can f**k off if you dont like it."
Well If every good match up is ruined by your having to dictate the outcome, not how insane, moronic, insipid, pre-pubescent, irrelevant, naive, dumb, primitive, inane, trite, creepy, childish, unrealistic, unscientific, unabashedly, unashamedly douchlike it is, then I say its time to suggest two forums, maybe:
Bizarro world... where RJ can make up the world to work how he just wants it simply by wishing it..
..and this one. The real one where people who dont want to have a debate with someone who sounds like an angrily embittered idollove fanfiction writer reject, asserting his own speculative works as fact, go to debate.
That way we can revisit some of the ones youve ruined with your silly fantasies with fresh and fair perspective.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthNo, that's saying that we are free to discuss the matchup however we see fit.
What...? Thats literally a confession to the effect of:
"I'll make up any way it should end and you can f**k off if you dont like it."Well If every good match up is ruined by your having to dictate the outcome, not how insane, moronic, insipid, pre-pubescent, irrelevant, naive, dumb, primitive, inane, trite, creepy, childish, unrealistic, unscientific, unabashedly, unashamedly douchlike it is, then I say its time to suggest two forums, maybe:
Bizarro world... where RJ can make up the world to work how he just wants it simply by wishing it..
..and this one. The real one where people who dont want to have a debate with someone who sounds like an angrily embittered idollove fanfiction writer reject, asserting his own speculative works as fact, go to debate.
That way we can revisit some of the ones youve ruined with your silly fantasies with fresh and fair perspective.
Stop being a drama queen.
Drama queen lol
Im just pointing out what you're doing, in case you arent aware. (although we must be by now)
You're answer sounds nice on paper, but it rarely if ever at all ever works out that way does it...? You have to argue with people til the end of time calling black white and swearing white is black.
Then you go through the frustratedly abusing people when they disagree with you posting little diggish tones in your repsonses, then, when people object to your chosen outcome, and then sulk when you get shit back.
Im sorry, I do admit that when I see overtly ridiculous statements being made, I have to respond with sometimes. Its called 'message boarding'.
The cross hairs apply when loads of unnecessary bad attitude and mouth is given to me from you for my willingness to engage you in debate.
However RJ, you love it! Stop pretending otherwise. You wouldnt be here otherwise. 😛
The two people? Dude, all the death eaters can do it, the entire OOTP can do it,
Have they shown this on-screen. No, so they can't use it. Not unless you can prove they know it or abuse your thread-starter power.
Voldy and Dumbles can do it, where have you been?
These are the only two to have done it on screen, not that it'll help you much.
And it's not useless, get off that. The wizards that can do it will be all over the place, everywhere at once, jumping around like Nightcrawler in the oval office.
No, no and no. They certainly will not. You see, the problem with what your saying is that your taking an existing feat and boosting it to extreme levels, well beyond the level of ability its been shown to have on-screen. There is literally Nothing different with you saying that and me turning around and saying that since Obi-Wan can force-push some droids over, he will be able to spam this over and over with the power of a nuke. Once again, the wizards have not on-screen shown the level of ability to do what you are saying they can. Thus they cannot in this fight. Unless you cheat.
Death eaters half apparating around wreaking havoc, casting spells as they go, you know, pretty much obliterating everything in their path.
They cannot cast spells in that form and teh second they land they get pwned.
And where was Lukes precog when Palpy zapped him? Where was Palpys when Vader tossed him? Where was it when Mace got pwned?
I'm glad you asked. You see, the way jedi fight is that they use the force to cloud their opponents precog, so that they miss things and get a lightsaber stuck up their ass. They can do this subtly without anyone knowing or in the midst of combat. Wizards cannot do this, so your point is rendered moot. Precog is on the table
Hermione, THBP.
Great, one average combatant can use it, the Jedi are really ****ed now.
I am saying that Vader is not in this thread. I am saying that the force scream is a Vader feat. Also it would probably take out several Jedi as well.
As Ms. Marvel said, they're the same person, Anakin has had no training in it between incarnations, there is no reason he can't use it.
No, I love the EU too, it's just that it is not allowed here. All we can use is what is shown onscreen, that's the new rule Impediment imposed.
I haven't done anything but that.
Voldemort can camp out on the roof of the Temple, casting the spell far out of reach of the Jedi. If he was on the ground, and a Jedi came at him, he simply apparates away and repeats the spell.
If he does this Yoda etc will simply break his neck. Anakin and Sidious can break/crush steel and Yoda's just as powerful. They can break his neck easily. Notice how I'm backing everything up with evidence of aptitude and ability, it's important. Heck, the Jedi temple has giant ****-off cannons, they can shoot him with those.
The few Jedi that TK it away from them, IF they can, will be death spelled.
Of course, becuase Jedi are so crap at blocking/dodging projectiles. Yes, thats an accurate portrayal of their abilities.
And Jedi can force-block etc fire. They sometimes must fight flamethrowers etc.
The wizards can do much more than the Jedi, there's no use trying to figure on a Jedi victory here.
Then this is a spite thread and you're a douche for making it. Or anyway in fact.
Just watched the scene where the death eaters attack the Burrow. They rae flying around, half apparating, they fly THROUGH the wooden walls of the house, cast fiendfyre inside, then fly out the other side.So yes, wizards can cast spells while half apparating.
Show it, becuase I can't find what your saying.
Also....well, it was inevitable really.......Umbridge....Dementors......Yeah.
Yes, becuase there totally are Dementor just hanging around the Jedi Temple. Or on Coruscant. No no, wait I get it. She'll obviously open up a demensional gate to the HPverse, conjure teh Dementor to her in an instant with a spell never shown, but who cares about teh rules right? and then just totally take out the jedi single-handed? Why didn't I see it!?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And how do the Jedi beat the wizards? See, you must back up your opinion, you cant just say "The Jedi win."
-Advantage of numbers
-Advantage of Force-precog
-Advantage of Force-speed
As seen by Obi, Jedi are not against using guns either, if needed.
Force-push/Force-pull a wizard will render him/her useless enough to close the gap to apply the lightsabre to neck approach.
Not saying that Jedi won't die and the temple won't be in shambles; in the end, the wizards lose because the Jedi win.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Um.....Yeah, it's really up to the poster to decide how to proceed in a versus thread, unless the thread starter specifies otherwise. There is no golden rule on how to compare powers, other than sticking to onscreen feats. For example if someone and I are doing it the way you describe and you don't like it, you just avoid commenting.
There's only one way to deal with Vs threads and avoid the shit you get into.
The Comic Vs forum was never perfect, but as soon as people stopped scripting shit as much as they used to, it was far more functional.
There's way less trouble there than in any of your threads. You just don't get how these threads work.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Obi-Wan: Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed.See? this is what Obi Wan told Luke in ROTJ.
Originally posted by NephthysYes sir, the Death eaters and OOTP members were shown using it in OOTP, Voldemort in OOTP, Dumbles in THBP.
Have they shown this on-screen. No, so they can't use it. Not unless you can prove they know it or abuse your thread-starter power.
These are the only two to have done it on screen, not that it'll help you much.Read what I just said.
No, no and no. They certainly will not. You see, the problem with what your saying is that your taking an existing feat and boosting it to extreme levels, well beyond the level of ability its been shown to have on-screen. There is literally [b]Nothing different with you saying that and me turning around and saying that since Obi-Wan can force-push some droids over, he will be able to spam this over and over with the power of a nuke. Once again, the wizards have not on-screen shown the level of ability to do what you are saying they can. Thus they cannot in this fight. Unless you cheat.[/b]We're talking about twenty something high level wizards all apparating around the temple, here, there, everywhere, all at the same time. The Jedi wont be able to track all of them, dont be a fool.
Why cant they do it over and over and over? It doesn't drain them, all they need to do is think where they want to go and it's done.
Theres no cheating here, just another example of someone not accepting the true extent of a wizards power.
They cannot cast spells in that form and teh second they land they get pwned.Yessir they can, the attack on the burrow in THBP.
I'm glad you asked. You see, the way jedi fight is that they use the force to cloud their opponents precog, so that they miss things and get a lightsaber stuck up their ass. They can do this subtly without anyone knowing or in the midst of combat. Wizards cannot do this, so your point is rendered moot. Precog is on the tableWizards dont have precog, doofus, the Jedi can cloud away, waste of time.
No, throughout the saga the precog has been shown to be faulty, so here it will be the same. Vader seemed surprised when Luke jumped, remember? Doooooooooooooooh. Vader said "What!!!" when the Falcon intervened at the battle of Yavin, nuff said.
Great, one average combatant can use it, the Jedi are really ****ed now.It's a simple spell that the others are sure to know. What if Adi Gallia was never shown using force push, so what? You'd still be able to say she can use it here.
As Ms. Marvel said, they're the same person, Anakin has had no training in it between incarnations, there is no reason he can't use it.Thats a side argument and neither of us can prove our opinions, it really has no bearing on the matchup.
If he does this Yoda etc will simply break his neck. Anakin and Sidious can break/crush steel and Yoda's just as powerful. They can break his neck easily. Notice how I'm backing everything up with evidence of aptitude and ability, it's important. Heck, the Jedi temple has giant ****-off cannons, they can shoot him with those.Yeah, they concentrate on one wizard, and another wizard death spells them from afar. See that? A wizard can do spells from a FAR greater distance than a Jedi can attack from.
Cannons? So? Darkening powder. Delluminator. No can see, no can shoot. Death spell them or fiendfyre. Can you say "dementors?"
Of course, becuase Jedi are so crap at blocking/dodging projectiles. Yes, thats an accurate portrayal of their abilities.Magic spells are not "projectile weapons", bit different. And lightsabers cant block them either.
And Jedi can force-block etc fire. They sometimes must fight flamethrowers etc.Movie feat? Nope. Jedi are never shown TKing fire, so dont even bother trying.
Then this is a spite thread and you're a douche for making it. Or anyway in fact.No it isn't, and you smell like pickles.
Show it, becuase I can't find what your saying.Te death eaters attack the burrow, they surround the burrow with fiendfyre, Harry and Ginny chase Bellatrix into the corn field, then Fenrir and Bellatrix take off and fly through the burrow, crashing through it's walls, and as they exit the other side, the burrow explodes in flames. The never stopped flying, dude, and cast fiendfyre as they went. Yes, wizards can half apparate and cast spells at the same time, it is shown onscreen.
Point of note: They were the only two death eaters at the burrow, and the fiendfyre surrounding the burrow was alive and going after Remus and another wizard. Who was controlling it? NO ONE, so NOW it has been proven that Bellatrix, Fenrir or Voldemort (And the other death eaters no doubt) can cast Fiendfyre, then apparate hundreds of feet away, and either let it do all the work, or control it themselves. Fiendfyre just went uber, babe. Hell, Voldemort can set fiendfyre and apparate to Hogsmeade, letting the fiendfyre do all the work.
Yes, becuase there totally are Dementor just hanging around the Jedi Temple. Or on Coruscant. No no, wait I get it. She'll [b]obviously open up a demensional gate to the HPverse, conjure teh Dementor to her in an instant with a spell never shown, but who cares about teh rules right? and then just totally take out the jedi single-handed? Why didn't I see it!? [/B]Dude the wizards are attacking the temple, she will summon the dementors before the battle, they will be with the wizards the entire time. And yes, the Dementors could possibly solo here. The Jedi cannot see them, and cannot harm them. Movie feats rule.
Originally posted by Robtard
-Advantage of numbers-Advantage of Force-precog
-Advantage of Force-speed
As seen by Obi, Jedi are not against using guns either, if needed.
Force-push/Force-pull a wizard will render him/her useless enough to close the gap to apply the lightsabre to neck approach.
Not saying that Jedi won't die and the temple won't be in shambles; in the end, the wizards lose because the Jedi win.
And they have no way of battling fiendfyre, no way of defending against dementors.
If a Jedi force pushes/pulls a wizard, the wizard simply apparates away. Easy cheesy.
No, in the end, the Jedi are BBQ'd, and the wizards take over the temple.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And they have no way of battling fiendfyre, no way of defending against dementors.If a Jedi force pushes/pulls a wizard, the wizard simply apparates away. Easy cheesy.
No, in the end, the Jedi are BBQ'd, and the wizards take over the temple.
Fiendfyre would have to be cast first; it's a relatively slow spell, so many a wizard will die while attempting it due to Jedi precog and speed. Those that manage to cast it, fire can be avoided. It will wreck shit though.
Ah, I see you've added the Dementors now, since you couldn't fenagle a win with it just being Jedi Vs Wizards. Nice (pathetic) tactic.
Having an invisible and intangible enemy makes this an obvious spite thread now. You spiter.
Do tell me though, do we ever see the Dementors affect someone who can't see them? Maybe they're irrelevant to all except wizards.
They'd need to gather their bearings first, as they're humans and being shoved/pulled forcibly would be disorienting. By that time, they could be push/pulled again and sabred to death.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fiendfyre would have to be cast first; it's a relatively slow spell, so many a wizard will die while attempting it due to Jedi precog and speed. Those that manage to cast it, fire can be avoided. It will wreck shit though.Ah, I see you've added the Dementors now, since you couldn't fenagle a win with it just being Jedi Vs Wizards. Nice (pathetic) tactic.
Having an invisible and intangible enemy makes this an obvious spite thread now. You spiter.
Do tell me though, do we ever see the Dementors affect someone who can't see them? Maybe they're irrelevant to all except wizards.
They'd need to gather their bearings first, as they're humans and being shoved/pulled forcibly would be disorienting. By that time, they could be push/pulled again and sabred to death.
No it's not, Bellatrix and Fenrir were inside the Burrow, in flight, for maybe 1/4 second, and the burrow was engulfed in flames. It's fast and deadly. It moves as fast as the caster desires.
Pathetic? They are a weapon, a weapon the wizards can use, why not include them? Dont answer that, I already know, it's because even now you refuse to accept the true extent of a wizards power. Your Potter hatred is blinding you.
A weapon is a weapon. Invisible or visible. If the Jedi could go invisible, you'd be milking that cow all week.
Hey, alot could happen. Dont see too much force pushing/pulling while fiendfyre is all over their asses.