Nephthys
The Gr8est!!!!!!!!
RJ, let me just say right off the bat that if you add the Dementors here, an intangible, unbeatable, unblockable enemy, I'm not even bothering anymore. The point of this thread is Jedi vs Wizards and if you add Dementors it doesn't prove 'wizad powr rulz!!' it proves you can't see a reason for them to win and you're a gimping cheater.
Yes sir, the Death eaters and OOTP members were shown using it in OOTP,
No, they were doing that crazy half-apparating thing. Show explicitly where they apparate, full-apparate and then I'll let them have it.
Voldemort in OOTP, Dumbles in THBP.
Again, those are the only two who have actually done it on-screen.
Read what I just said.
No, you read what I just wrote.
We're talking about twenty something high level wizards all apparating around the temple, here, there, everywhere, all at the same time.
Unfortunately for you, no we're not. We're talking about 2 guys apparating in the middle of a pitched battle and getting shot, stabbed, snapped, zapped and crushed by waiting Jedi (and maybe Sidious, whats the judgement on him)
Why cant they do it over and over and over? It doesn't drain them, all they need to do is think where they want to go and it's done.
Why can't Obi-Wan spam his nuke-blasts? He showed no effort in TPM and all he has to do is think and it happens right? Seriously though, Apparition takes both mental and magical exertion, two things that are not infinite and require training to properly utilise. Its a technique that one must acquire proficiency in, therefore you simply cannot say that the users will randomly be able to use it in a way beyond what they've shown to be within their abilities. Why didn't Dumbledore and Voldemort use this 'Nightcrawler!'-like skill in their duel? Why hasn't anyone in the history of HP used it in the way you've suggested? Maybe becuase they can't?
Yessir they can, the attack on the burrow in THBP.
Actually I found that scene you're talking about and there really is nothing to support your Theory. They go straight through the building and it catches fire. There is nothing to suggest that they cast a spell. Heres another theory, one I made and thus much more likely and supported: There is a property to the half-apparating thing that causes wood to spontaneously combust. Like I predicted it is supported; In an earlier scene they do the same thing in Diagon (sp?) Alley and the moment they touch the wood of the window theres a big-ass explosion. Heck it may not even be wood specifically, it could merely be inanimate objects (having never (or, actually wasn't there a scene when they pass through someone in OOTP?) performed it on a living person we cannot know what effect it would have so don't even bother). The point is of course that you have jumped to a conclusion that cannot be supported when other possibilities exist.
Wizards dont have precog, doofus, the Jedi can cloud away, waste of time.
No, 'Doofus', what I was saying was that thats why those lapses in precog occurred, not becuase its incredibly fallible like you're pushing for.
No, throughout the saga the precog has been shown to be faulty, so here it will be the same. Vader seemed surprised when Luke jumped, remember? Doooooooooooooooh. Vader said "What!!!" when the Falcon intervened at the battle of Yavin, nuff said.
Becuase you say so? Lol, ok.
And most Jedi only concentrate on things that specifically target them. Precog isn't a 'I know everything that'll happen to everyone everywhere at all times' power, but it's still more than adequate to pull a Jedi win.
It's a simple spell that the others are sure to know. What if Adi Gallia was never shown using force push, so what? You'd still be able to say she can use it here.
The Force is an extension of the Jedi him/herself. Think of it like another arm, of course you will be able to 'push' someone with that arm. And yes, this is provable, there are multiple examples of Jedi unconsciously using the Force without any training, much like how a child would instinctively use his hands for defense. Anakin set someone on fire, Zannah disintegrated an arm etc. An on-screen example of this is Luke using the Force to know where the droid would shoot with Kenobi merely telling him to focus in New Hope. Basic things like Force push are instinctive to a Jedi, but training is needed for advanced things, like how you need training to twirl a baton.
And Magic is nothing like this btw.
Thats a side argument and neither of us can prove our opinions, it really has no bearing on the matchup.
It's relevant becuase its important to the Jedi's victory. Just like how the 'side argument' of Umbridge and the Dementors is relevent.
Movie feat? Nope. Jedi are never shown TKing fire, so dont even bother trying.
Its logic. A gust of wind can affect fire, a Force push obviously can. And since the Force is an all-permeating .... force, there is no reason why it can't affect fire. The Force can affect Gravity for f's sake!
No it isn't, and you smell like pickles.
If there truly is no way for the Jedi to win then it most certainly is a spite thread.
Yeah, they concentrate on one wizard, and another wizard death spells them from afar. See that? A wizard can do spells from a FAR greater distance than a Jedi can attack from.
Or, they sidestep.
Yes, Jedi can actually multi-task, like how Darth Maul could duel two jedi at once and still use the force to open a door. Or like how a Jedi can keep track of a dozen blaster bolt trajectories at once.
Cannons? So? Darkening powder.
Darkening powder blinds everyone but the wielder (or even him?), so the wizards will be blinding their allies against an opponent that can fight blind-folded. Smart.
Delluminator.
Dumbledores going to stop in the midst of battle to turn out the lights? Smart, I'm sure he won't be pwned at once.
Magic spells are not "projectile weapons", bit different. And lightsabers cant block them either.
Death spells are. And according to you they are the same as Lightning, which lightsabers can block. Or, y'know when the prcog warns them that you can't block the shots they can easily avoid them.
Point of note: They were the only two death eaters at the burrow, and the fiendfyre surrounding the burrow was alive and going after Remus and another wizard. Who was controlling it? NO ONE, so NOW it has been proven that Bellatrix, Fenrir or Voldemort (And the other death eaters no doubt) can cast Fiendfyre, apparate hundreds of feet away, and either let it do all the work, or control it themselves. Fiendfyre just went uber, babe. Hell, Voldemort can set fiendfyre and apparate to Hogsmeade, letting the fiendfyre do all the work.
Prove no-one else wasn't controlling the fire. Prove Bella and Fenrir can do it. And I doubt Volde can apparate through dimensions. 🙄
Dude the wizards are attacking the temple, she will summon the dementors before the battle,
How? It seems to me that Dementors would have come in real handy against the centuars. Did she summon them? No. The truth is that you have no idea if they can be summoned magically or at all. Or that they wont turn on her in battle. etc.
I rest my case.
edit:
In THBP, Harry Grabs Dumbledores arm, they apparate, then right away they appear in a different location.
Theres no proof that Dumbledore didn't need to concentrate or prepare before that though.