........vs Superman without his weaknesses

Originally posted by Surtur
The problem comes down to one thing: I'm pretty sure the comic or Wonder Woman herself claimed she was HOLDING BACK against him., This is why it makes no sense to me unless I just am not remembering correctly. That line of her trying to say she is holding back, for me, makes it all weird. I don't hate Wonder Woman, I don't think she isn't top tier because she is. But it is weird to me to suggest Wonder Woman could survive against a bloodlusted "brilliant" Superman while holding back.

It's also hard to talk about his brilliant strategy when he gets ear bashed while specifically using super hearing to locate this person. That doesn't sound like Superman fighting at full capacity. One minute he is easily crushing her bones and the next minute he's getting ear bonked. I'm not saying that in the fight sequence the bone squeeze happened directly before the ear bonk, I'm just saying the fight went all over the place.

Hell, I've heard even the artists have a problem with the fight when they go to space. Since they go to the sun, but the artist meant it to be Venus or maybe it was the opposite. But I know some stuff has been said by the people who made this fight. Something to do with Venus and the sun, maybe this has already been mentioned.

But unless any bones or whatever WW might have in her neck are for some reason a lot more durable then the bones in her arm/wrist then I don't see why he didn't just reach out and crush her throat and be done with it if we're suggesting he was using some great tactics, etc. I'm guessing her windpipe and all that jazz aren't massively more durable then the rest of her.

This post doesn't make one bit of sense. Zod broke Superman jaw with a blitz...does that put Zod above Superman?

LMAO. We've been thru this before. Like a dozen times probably. Breaking someone's jaw with a speedblitz is not the same as casually breaking someone's wrist just by friggin' squeezing.

Also, want to point out that does anyone really think a true top-tier has to worry about blocking friggin' bullets?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
While I agree with the first part, I'd say breaking his wrist proves she can bring phsycial harm to him.

he broke hers.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
If you mean herald, then yes. But she's not an elite herald IMO.

I agree.

Originally posted by leonidas
the bit about her holding back is true, she did say it:

http://s11.postimg.org/tm8qepaer/wonderwoman1_1.jpg

i always took it to mean that she was intentionally not trying to do him permanent injury, something that imo she could have done had she also been going for a kill.

I thought so too.

Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. We've been thru this before. Like a dozen times probably. Breaking someone's jaw with a speedblitz is not the same as casually breaking someone's wrist just by friggin' squeezing.

Also, want to point out that does anyone really think a true top-tier has to worry about blocking friggin' bullets?

Make sense. Especially looking at how casually WW tiara sliced Superman throat. Glad she didn't use that weapon throughout the fight.

Originally posted by Star428
Also, want to point out that does anyone really think a true top-tier has to worry about blocking friggin' bullets?

Diana doesn't need to block bullets. How outdated is your knowledge, exactly?

Originally posted by carver9
Make sense. Especially looking at how casually WW tiara sliced Superman throat. Glad she didn't use that weapon throughout the fight.

Yeah, because she totally would have used it... Oh.

Originally posted by carver9
This post doesn't make one bit of sense. Zod broke Superman jaw with a blitz...does that put Zod above Superman?

Dude, if you don't see the difference I can't help you. Blitzing someone and breaking their jaw. Okay, you know in real life a person could break your jaw with a punch. Do you feel that same person could break your wrist by squeezing it? Not some super punch, just grabbing you and squeezing. You do not see the difference?

I've boxed for years in the past, I've seen people's face/jaw get messed up with punches, but that is a far far cry from grabbing a motherf*cker and squeezing and breaking their bones.

You also bring up the tiara, but wasn't it a magical tiara type deal? That is the reason I saw as why it even hurt him. Since this dude has flicked his damn blood at her in the past and broke her shit(her weapon). I wish I had the scans because it was awesome.

Originally posted by leonidas
the bit about her holding back is true, she did say it:

http://s11.postimg.org/tm8qepaer/wonderwoman1_1.jpg

i always took it to mean that she was intentionally not trying to do him permanent injury, something that imo she could have done had she also been going for a kill.

I know, but she basically should need to be going all out just to *survive* to me, so being careful not to hurt him makes it sound like..she is normally at a power level above him such that she can take a full assault while holding back as to not hurt him.

Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. We've been thru this before. Like a dozen times probably. Breaking someone's jaw with a speedblitz is not the same as casually breaking someone's wrist just by friggin' squeezing.

Also, want to point out that does anyone really think a true top-tier has to worry about blocking friggin' bullets?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Casually? Superman wasn't exactly in a "casual" mindset.

But he wasn't going all out, doing some big speed blitz or super punch combo or anything. The word "casual" is relative. Yes, he was in kill mode, but this was still a friggin comic. You can see the scan in here somewhere. I'm not saying he crushed her like tissue paper, but it is far more impressive then breaking a dudes jaw via speed blitz.

I know this quote wasn't in response to anything I said, but I still wanted to clarify what "casually" means here in terms of the fight.

Originally posted by Surtur
But he wasn't going all out, doing some big speed blitz or super punch combo or anything. The word "casual" is relative. Yes, he was in kill mode, but this was still a friggin comic. You can see the scan in here somewhere. I'm not saying he crushed her like tissue paper, but it is far more impressive then breaking a dudes jaw via speed blitz.

I know this quote wasn't in response to anything I said, but I still wanted to clarify what "casually" means here in terms of the fight.

Lol...he was going all out, he was going for the kill. He just couldn't tag her due to reflexes.

Originally posted by lawest9
Supes weaknesses that are exploiterable are removed for these bloodlusted fights.

1. Captain Marvel without the magic weakness.

2. Silver Surfer without the red sun and krytonite weaknesses

3. Green Lantern (Hal) same as fight 2

This is current regular Superman, how does he fare in these battles?

1. Cap 7/10. The magic lightning fists is a relatively recent gimmick, but even before that most.fights were Caps to lose.

2. Surfer 10/10

3. Probably Superman. Hal has the raw power, but the ring only works as fast as hunan thought, so speeds an issue. And I wouldn't bet against Supes in a contest of willpower.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...he was going all out, he was going for the kill. He just couldn't tag her due to reflexes.

You still aren't getting the difference between breaking a jaw with a speedblitz and grabbing a dude by the arm/wrist and breaking it via squeezing. The jaw breaking would be a lot easier to accomplish, is what people have been telling you.

You also show another problem, since when does WW have reflexes so awesome Supes can't tag her? Especially when he is in a supposedly brilliant tactical bloodlusted mode?

Originally posted by Surtur
You still aren't getting the difference between breaking a jaw with a speedblitz and grabbing a dude by the arm/wrist and breaking it via squeezing. The jaw breaking would be a lot easier to accomplish, is what people have been telling you.

You also show another problem, since when does WW have reflexes so awesome Supes can't tag her? Especially when he is in a supposedly brilliant tactical bloodlusted mode?

So how far would you put Zod above Superman?

http://postimg.org/image/d8itv7ba9/

Also, he didn't casually break her arm, he was blood lusted. Do you know what casual mean?

But that scan looks like post Nu Superman. Also where is the jaw break, he punches him, but where is the jaw break? We see he has his arm around his head and the "krrrack" sound effect. So if this is pre DCnu then I assume the next page or so shows a broken jaw?

Originally posted by Surtur
But that scan looks like post Nu Superman. Also where is the jaw break, he punches him, but where is the jaw break?

Two different showings. So you don't know which comic Zod broke Superman jaw in?

But again: is that or is that not post DCnU Supes?

Originally posted by Surtur
But he wasn't going all out, doing some big speed blitz or super punch combo or anything. The word "casual" is relative. Yes, he was in kill mode, but this was still a friggin comic. You can see the scan in here somewhere. I'm not saying he crushed her like tissue paper, but it is far more impressive then breaking a dudes jaw via speed blitz.

I know this quote wasn't in response to anything I said, but I still wanted to clarify what "casually" means here in terms of the fight.

I thought the story went out of it's way to make it clear Superman was going all out.

Wonder Woman says... "He thinks Lois is dead. He thinks Doomsday murdered her. He think's I'm Doomsday. Which means he's holding nothing back."
http://i.imgur.com/6O1lD4k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/grCChNd.jpg

He also kind of does speed blitz her to the sun while HVing her face. It takes 8 minutes for light to go from Earth to the sun. Superman brought Diana there in a single page.

Here's the fight from Superman's point of view:
http://imgur.com/a/i8fmr

^It shows just how blood-lusted Superman was. According to the scans, he wanted to kill Diana so badly he didn't even care about innocent people.

Superman says... "All I could think about was how much I hated him...how he had to pay...nothing else mattered...not the future, not myself...not even the innocent..."

Originally posted by Surtur
But again: is that or is that not post DCnU Supes?

The Superman that got his jaw broke by Zod is post...that new Superman in the scan I posted. So how far would you put that Zod above DCNU Supes? Trying to see how you think.

Originally posted by carver9
The Superman that got his jaw broke by Zod is post...that new Superman in the scan I posted. So how far would you put that Zod above DCNU Supes? Trying to see how you think.

But like I said, breaking a jaw is easier then what Superman did to WW. If all Zod did was break his jaw(and nothing is ever noted that he broke it in the scan you showed) then he isn't above him. If the dude is grabbing him and breaking his bones by just squeezing..yeah, he is above.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I thought the story went out of it's way to make it clear Superman was going all out.

Wonder Woman says... "He thinks Lois is dead. He thinks Doomsday murdered her. He think's I'm Doomsday. Which means he's holding [b]nothing back."
http://i.imgur.com/6O1lD4k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/grCChNd.jpg

He also kind of does speed blitz her to the sun while HVing her face. It takes 8 minutes for light to go from Earth to the sun. Superman brought Diana there in a single page.

Here's the fight from Superman's point of view:
http://imgur.com/a/i8fmr

^It shows just how blood-lusted Superman was. According to the scans, he wanted to kill Diana so badly he didn't even care about innocent people.

Superman says... "All I could think about was how much I hated him...how he had to pay...nothing else mattered...not the future, not myself...not even the innocent..." [/B]

I think people are very confused. I'm not saying Superman wasn't bloodlusted and trying to kill her. If you don't like the use of the word "casual" then just say that Superman did not seem to be grabbing her arms and squeezing with all his might. That is what people mean when they talk about the difference to the Zod thing. At least that is what I mean.

That is the problem, he was angry, pissed, didn't care about civilians, but was getting ear bashed while specifically trying to locate WW, for all the "tactical" brilliance he supposedly had.

In other words, Superman should of straight up been able to kill WW.

Originally posted by Surtur
Dude, if you don't see the difference I can't help you. Blitzing someone and breaking their jaw. Okay, you know in real life a person could break your jaw with a punch. Do you feel that same person could break your wrist by squeezing it? Not some super punch, just grabbing you and squeezing. You do not see the difference?

I've boxed for years in the past, I've seen people's face/jaw get messed up with punches, but that is a far far cry from grabbing a motherf*cker and squeezing and breaking their bones.

You also bring up the tiara, but wasn't it a magical tiara type deal? That is the reason I saw as why it even hurt him. Since this dude has flicked his damn blood at her in the past and broke her shit(her weapon). I wish I had the scans because it was awesome.

I know, but she basically should need to be going all out just to *survive* to me, so being careful not to hurt him makes it sound like..she is normally at a power level above him such that she can take a full assault while holding back as to not hurt him.