........vs Superman without his weaknesses

Started by Prof. T.C McAbe32 pages

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Superman in Sacrifice is actually using good strategy to go for a trip to the sun to start the fight. It's proven to multiply his strength and other powers severalfold.

I firmly believe a fight where he did NOT take such a precaution would precede much as we were shown a few weeks ago, IF Diana herself were minded to fight seriously. Of course, this also depends on how effective his heat vision is at standard levels. The all-important factor in what took place below, for instance, was that Diana was ultimately able to resist his laser attack, whether with shield or without:

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Ahk.

I should have said TWO pages before.

At any rate, anyone who wants to read Rucka's 2005 Sacrifice interview, click on the following and scroll down:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=525118&pagenumber=7

Bluewater, can you tell me of any specific illuminati symbols in the Sacrifice fight? I've always felt that fight was a little "underhanded" if you will.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
What gets me is that you can say this only a week after one or more people from your side were temporarily [b]banned for letting their emotions get the better of them.

Then again, you're championing a guy who claimed, on the previous page of this thread, that Diana failed to so much as turn Clark's head with her punches.

Of course, that MIGHT be true, as the only true punch I saw thrown by Diana to Clark's head is the following, and it's arguable there's not a lot of rotation of head involved here ... [/B]


You mean like this punch?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean like this punch?
That fight didn't end well for Superman. You'd think with a broken wrist he'd have been able to finish her off.

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Superman in Sacrifice is actually using good strategy to go for a trip to the sun to start the fight. It's proven to multiply his strength and other powers severalfold.

I firmly believe a fight where he did NOT take such a precaution would precede much as we were shown a few weeks ago, IF Diana herself were minded to fight seriously. Of course, this also depends on how effective his heat vision is at standard levels. The all-important factor in what took place below, for instance, was that Diana was ultimately able to resist his laser attack, whether with shield or without:

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Originally posted by quanchi112
That fight didn't end well for Superman. You'd think with a broken wrist he'd have been able to finish her off.

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Indeed it did not.

I notice from the comment you were responding to that someone thinks there was another punch to the head. That's actually a palm strike, not a true punch.

That's why I made that distinction.

For that matter, in the following scan, which where that image is taken from, you can see that palm strike does exactly what it is supposed to, and that is deflect Superman's head so he can't laser Diana with his eyes.

Note that all other images on this page have Superman's gaze either on level with Diana's head, or slightly down blasting at her body or where she was on the ground just a moment prior.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your point would have some merit if he had punched her more than once. Its not like he was punching her down and she kept getting back.

He missed all his attacks as he was fighting a larger opponent in his mind. At one point he was HVing clouds while she was right in front of him while he broke her wrist.

Superman was seriously handicapped in that fight. Wonder Woman even in that mindset could only slow him down and break his mental control after slicing his throat with a magical weapon.

FFS, his punches were oneshotting her and breaking her bones. Her punches didn't even turn his head. That's how large the gap between them was.

srsly


He hit her plenty of times. Choked her with both hands while HVing her face, and punched her when he was close to the sun.

Anytime he missed was because she dodged the attack. It had nothing to do with him seeing a bigger opponent. You literally see her parrying and dodging the attacks.

He wasn't HVing the clouds. He was aiming directly at Diana with his HV, but Diana countered by palming his head upward. You cropped the scans which is pretty decieving, next time show the entire page:

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^ In fact, in these very scans Diana says Max is helping Superman fight her strategically, e.g., preventing her from using the Lasso properly.

He's blood-lusted and being helped by Max Lord, while Diana is holding back and trying to save him. Yet Superman is the one handicapped? My arse.

Originally posted by One-Punch
He hit her plenty of times. Choked her with both hands while HVing her face, and punched her when he was close to the sun.

Anytime he missed was because she dodged the attack. It had nothing to do with him seeing a bigger opponent. You literally see her parrying and dodging the attacks.

He wasn't HVing the clouds. He was aiming directly at Diana with his HV, but Diana countered by palming his head upward. You cropped the scans which is pretty decieving, next time show the entire page:

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^ In fact, in these very scans Diana says Max is helping Superman fight her strategically, e.g., preventing her from using the Lasso properly.

He's blood-lusted and being helped by Max Lord, while Diana is holding back and trying to save him. Yet Superman is the one handicapped? My arse.

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Originally posted by One-Punch
He hit her plenty of times. Choked her with both hands while HVing her face, and punched her when he was close to the sun.

Anytime he missed was because she dodged the attack. It had nothing to do with him seeing a bigger opponent. You literally see her parrying and dodging the attacks.

He wasn't HVing the clouds. He was aiming directly at Diana with his HV, but Diana countered by palming his head upward. You cropped the scans which is pretty decieving, next time show the entire page:

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^ In fact, in these very scans Diana says Max is helping Superman fight her strategically, e.g., preventing her from using the Lasso properly.

He's blood-lusted and being helped by Max Lord, while Diana is holding back and trying to save him. Yet Superman is the one handicapped? My arse.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by One-Punch
He hit her plenty of times. Choked her with both hands while HVing her face, and punched her when he was close to the sun.

Anytime he missed was because she dodged the attack. It had nothing to do with him seeing a bigger opponent. You literally see her parrying and dodging the attacks.

He wasn't HVing the clouds. He was aiming directly at Diana with his HV, but Diana countered by palming his head upward. You cropped the scans which is pretty decieving, next time show the entire page:

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^ In fact, in these very scans Diana says Max is helping Superman fight her strategically, e.g., preventing her from using the Lasso properly.

He's blood-lusted and being helped by Max Lord, while Diana is holding back and trying to save him. Yet Superman is the one handicapped? My arse.

If you are mentall controlled you fight for controll and try to resist it, at the very least subconscously. This is more true for Superman than most others. Which in this case means he was severe handicapped. He sees DD, expects other actions try to act accordingly and someone forces him to act differen't. This isn't even a legit fight and counts as mindcontroller, mindmanipulated and as thus is not valid. GG.

Originally posted by One-Punch
He hit her plenty of times. Choked her with both hands while HVing her face, and punched her when he was close to the sun.
Choking her is hitting her? And his HV was focused at her face like a cutting laser which burned her to the bones.

It wasn't a concussive HV attack. You know Superman can control it, right?

Anytime he missed was because she dodged the attack. It had nothing to do with him seeing a bigger opponent. You literally see her parrying and dodging the attacks.
Oh really? Then how do you explain HVing clouds while she was right in front of him and missing her while she was coming right at him in a straight line?

He wasn't HVing the clouds. He was aiming directly at Diana with his HV, but Diana countered by palming his head upward. You cropped the scans which is pretty decieving, next time show the entire page:
Haha, what? She palmed his head in the previous scan. He broke her hand and was still looking upwards. Heck here his HV goes over her shoulder while he is looking right at her.

http://i.imgur.com/USvb9Zm.jpg

How do you excuse that away?

In fact, in these very scans Diana says Max is helping Superman fight her strategically, e.g., preventing her from using the Lasso properly.
No, he is showing something entirely else to Superman as Diana says. And it shows how he was still controlling him.

He's blood-lusted and being helped by Max Lord, while Diana is holding back and trying to save him. Yet Superman is the one handicapped? My arse.

He is bloodlusted and hampered by mindcontrol. Missed ll his attacks and still oneshotted her.

Yeah, mindcontrolled characters are handicapped. Seriously, do you know how characters fight while mindcontrolled, don't you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Choking her is hitting her? And his HV was focused at her face like a cutting laser which burned her to the bones.

It wasn't a concussive HV attack. You know Superman can control it, right?

Oh really? Then how do you explain HVing clouds while she was right in front of him and missing her while she was coming right at him in a straight line?

Haha, what? She palmed his head in the previous scan. He broke her hand and was still looking upwards. Heck here his HV goes over her shoulder while he is looking right at her.

http://i.imgur.com/USvb9Zm.jpg

How do you excuse that away?
No, he is showing something entirely else to Superman as Diana says. And it shows how he was still controlling him.

He is bloodlusted and hampered by mindcontrol. Missed ll his attacks and still oneshotted her.

Yeah, mindcontrolled characters are handicapped. Seriously, do you know how characters fight while mindcontrolled, don't you?

Yes, he was choking her neck with both hands, while HVing her face. He dragged her to the sun and punched her back to Earth. But I guess trying to crush someone's windpipe while blasting their face doesn't count as "hitting" them. Yes I know Superman can control his HV and in that instant he was trying to kill Diana with it. She tanked it with stride.

Diana very clearly hits Superman's head upwards, forcing him to shoot his HV upwards. You cropped that part out of your scans. 😂

Superman missed some of his attacks because Diana was actively dodging and parrying his attacks. You literally see her duck, parry, and dodge several times. Diana is obviously a skilled warrior.

Here's a collage of her dodging and parrying. 🙂

^ The bottom right scan shows Diana palming Superman's head upward, which you "conveniently" left out. Hence Superman wasn't HVing clouds because of the hallucination.

Diana was trying to get her lasso around Superman to clear his head. Max Lord tailored his TP to help Superman avoid this and fight strategically. This was stated by Diana herself: "It's as if he knows what I'm trying to do. He knows what the Lasso can do."

Let me ask you a question: Max Lord's goal was to have Superman kill Diana, why would he purposely handicap Superman?

Diana stated she was holding back and was trying to save Superman--who is blood-lusted and trying to kill her--yet you have the audacity to say Superman was handicapped? It's obvious Diana is the one handicapped here.

I know Wonder Woman doing well against a blood-lusted Superman must eat away at your soul. Just accept it. No need to low-ball blitz her for it.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If you are mentall controlled you fight for controll and try to resist it, at the very least subconscously. This is more true for Superman than most others. Which in this case means he was severe handicapped. He sees DD, expects other actions try to act accordingly and someone forces him to act differen't. This isn't even a legit fight and counts as mindcontroller, mindmanipulated and as thus is not valid. GG.

"I couldn't agree more". 🙂

^WW fanboy (or girl) . ✅

If you knew anything about me at all, dude, then you'd know I've picked several characters to win over Superman before. Even characters that I think are crappy (like Martian Manhunter). Diana just ain't in his league. PERIOD. You, nor anyone else have shown one bit of proof that she is. Non-canon stories don't count whether you or anybody else likes it or not. Nor do times when a character is severely handicapped like Clark obviously was in Sacrifice.

But, by all means, keep telling yourself she is if it helps you sleep at night.

Peace. 🙂

Edit: I do so enjoy you and others lame arguments though for her being on his level. They give me a good laugh. So, please, keep it up.

Originally posted by Star428
^WW fanboy (or girl) . ✅

If you knew anything about me at all, dude, then you'd know I've picked several characters to win over Superman before. Even characters that I think are crappy (like Martian Manhunter) Diana just ain't in his league. PERIOD.

But, by all means, keep telling yourself she is if it helps you sleep at night.

Peace. 🙂

You're right.

I'm totally a Wonder Woman fanboy, you got me. You're one smart cookie.

WW to Clark in A League of One: "I knew that I couldn't beat you".

There you have it. Diana herself admits to him that she realizes she can't beat him. Guess you think she's a Superman fanboy too, huh? LOL.

[QUOTE=15311296]Originally posted by One-Punch

You're right.

I'm totally a Wonder Woman fanboy, you got me. You're one smart cookie. [/QUOTE

Carry on, fangirl. 🙂

Originally posted by One-Punch
Yes, he was choking her neck with [b]both hands, while HVing her face. He dragged her to the sun and punched her back to Earth.
Yes, we all know that. Your point is? That somehow that's an attack which constitutes to a KO, but wonder woman using a low blow is somehow forgotten.
But I guess trying to crush someone's windpipe while blasting their face doesn't count as "hitting" them. Yes I know Superman can control his HV and in that instant he was trying to kill Diana with it.
He wasn't trying to kill her. He was trying to make her suffer.
She tanked it with stride.
If by tanked you mean she got burned to the bone and needed to eye rake him with low blowing him, yeah, you're right. Tanking in stride? LMAO.

Diana very clearly hits Superman's head upwards, forcing him to shoot his HV upwards. You cropped that part out of your scans.

Haha, what? I posted the whole sequence. He was already HVing in that direction seeing how he was again in the same position one panel later when there is no palm strike to deflect his head.

Superman missed some of his attacks because Diana was actively dodging and parrying his attacks. You literally see her duck, parry, and dodge several times. Diana is obviously a skilled warrior.

How about the time he is looking at her while she is charging at him in a straight line while his HV goes above her shoulder? What's your excuse?

Here's a collage of her dodging and parrying. 🙂

In the very scan his punch is going above her shoulder while he is grabbing her hand with nothing to parry or Dodge.

You're literally blind at this point of you can't see Superman blindly swinging in that scan and missing her.

^ The bottom right scan shows Diana palming Superman's head upward, which you "conveniently" left out. Hence Superman wasn't HVing clouds because of the hallucination.

WTF? She Palmer his head in that panel. He broke her hand in the next panel and was still looking above her with nothing holding his head or forcing it. I like how you forget the very next page.

Who is palming his head now?

Diana was trying to get her lasso around Superman to clear his head. Max Lord tailored his TP to help Superman avoid this and fight strategically. This was stated by Diana herself: "It's as if he knows what I'm trying to do. He knows what the Lasso can do."

Why don't you post the very previous quote?" What's Max making him see now? " It was a classic mental control. Nothing else.

Let me ask you a question: Max Lord's goal was to have Superman kill Diana, why would he purposely handicap Superman?

It was later retconned in Booster Gold that Max could not force Superman to kill. So yeah, there goes that theory.

Diana stated she was holding back and was trying to save Superman--who is blood-lusted and trying to kill her--yet you have the audacity to say Superman was handicapped? It's obvious Diana is the one handicapped here.

If any of her physical attacks had any effect on him you might have a point that she was handicapped and would've done better. She did everything from kryptonite to low blows to eye rakes to suckershotting him with indestructible bracelets but it did absolutely nothing to him.

I know Wonder Woman doing well against a blood-lusted Superman must eat away at your soul. Just accept it. No need to low-ball blitz her for it. [/B]

Yeah, you're just parroting everyone who thinks Superman oneshotting Diana, breaking her bones casually with just squeezing and basically shrugging everything she could throw at him is a low showing.

Or it somehow lowers Superman's stock. It's not like Dracula was bitchslapping mindcontrolled Surfer. Or Iron Man fought him to a double KO when he was mindcontrolled.

In fact it's a far better showing than most heralds get while mindcontrolled. Suck on that.