Originally posted by BloodRain
Lol. Doing that to a small group of people is good against normal people, not for those with TK capabilities. Thats why its not that useful in this battle.
Ah, but it is just showing the power of his Will, did I mention he did that while he was holding HOLY back.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Having their memories and already having a brain and body (before they became part of the Lifestream), so they he didnt make them from scratch so to speak. Just filled in part of their existence with his own. And her being her means there's a very good chance. But they can only do this if they re part of the Lifestream which i assume he isn't as he's in this fight.
How do you know he had access to all of thier memories? And if he had, they would have been the people they were when they returned to the Lifestream not the people we see in ACC. Again, it is just said Sephiroth finds an image\images in the Lifestream and creates them using the power of his Will (And Sephiroths NL).
Can you prove that? Sephiroth could have technically created another Cloud(In looks only) to fight Cloud instead of fighting Cloud himself. All it requires is an image to use and his Will. He even creates his Masamune with his Will.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Either way these creation feats isnt going to help in a fight.O,o build it?
It is showing the power of his Will just like the Pokeball creation feat shows the power of MewTwos TK.
Yeah! I bought all the parts seperately and put it all together, pretty time consuming but fun.
Originally posted by SHM
Still waiting for actual proof that the storm created by MewTwo was able to destroy the planet, and that Alakazams are as powerful as you guys are saying.
Because the only 'evidence' presented to me until now, is a statement from a Pokemon-Wikipedia. 🙄Maybe I should go to the Final-Fantasy-Wikipedia now, edit it with a statement that Sephiroth is omnipotent and omniscient, and present the statement as 'evidence' of his power. 💃
MewTwo is an overrated joke.
Try watching the ****ing movie. He says it himself.
"My storm will destroy the planet and my clones will rebuild."
And yeah, MewTwo mindwipes team 1 before any of them can do anything.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Try watching the ****ing movie. He says it himself."My storm will destroy the planet and my clones will rebuild."
And yeah, MewTwo mindwipes team 1 before any of them can do anything.
When Mewtwo says that, he does not mean he will destroy the planet. Only waste its surface. He hated humanity and weak Pokémon alike. He would remain on the planet after destroying it and rebuild a society.
Still, the fact that the whole storm was created by continuing gestures by Mewtwo is reason enough for me to think highly of him.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah... No one's overrating him here.And thanks for the compliment Q'Anilia. ^^
I do what I can 😊
Originally posted by K1ll3r
How do you know he had access to all of thier memories? And if he had, they would have been the people they were when they returned to the Lifestream not the people we see in ACC. Again, it is just said Sephiroth finds an image\images in the Lifestream and creates them using the power of his Will (And Sephiroths NL).Can you prove that? Sephiroth could have technically created another Cloud(In looks only) to fight Cloud instead of fighting Cloud himself. All it requires is an image to use and his Will. He even creates his Masamune with his Will.
They were their own being with Seph influence running through them/altering them. Like Loz being a crybaby and Yazoo's expert gun skills, Seph hasn't show these two attributes.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
It is showing the power of his Will just like the Pokeball creation feat shows the power of MewTwos TK.Yeah! I bought all the parts seperately and put it all together, pretty time consuming but fun.
That feat was for fending off Kains attack. Not to show M2s power.
lol instead of buying a computer you go and construct one. nice
Originally posted by BloodRain
They were their own being with Seph influence running through them/altering them. Like Loz being a crybaby and Yazoo's expert gun skills, Seph hasn't show these two attributes.That feat was for fending off Kains attack. Not to show M2s power.
lol instead of buying a computer you go and construct one. nice
Okay, but they were created via his Will.
Same diff.
It's a lot funner 😛
Originally posted by Burning thought
Not PIS because his TK is stronger then themselves. And that something else is 'Mewtwo', sometimes the subject when being held is pain. Can tell just by looking at them.
Thanks to the movie being taken down and several unhelpful AMVs, as off now I can't get that specific clip. =[
There are molecules in Kain too... and Kain isnt a large mass, a large mass for him would be a builden not a person. In the same amount of gestures it takes Kain to TK a person, M2 formed said huge hurricane. Mist wouldn't be able to float out of the Tk, and if he does M2 would just do a simple alter of the TK there to continue the hold.
Depends of if he can contol the same mass split over a long distance. Eg; holding to parts of the mist 50m away from each other, and Kain trying to reform from this. The moves Sunny day/ Rain dance that Mewtwo can learn (just checked his move-pool for this) or weather control. Besides its not needed anyway as his TK can do the job just as well. The speed of it disappearing depends on the the strength of whatever's making it fade. Vampire turns into mist then same mist turns back into vampire, im sure that will surprise him :/ Hed be more shocked that there's an angry bold guy screaming at them from a distance.
Im actually partially relieved to see those. The time slow-down was good, even if it did show Kain being a slow attacker, except that he had to raise his sword taking a second. And a simple TK took quite the chunk off that bar on the side. The teleport and time powers come from that reaver gauge at the bottom right? It drains very fast so i dont see him doing these in succession, with 'charging' of moves taking too long for this fight. The Blood Shower longest ranged from that video was 3.70/4m, and of the blood taken [Speed x Amount] / [Reaction x Counter move] makes the chance of M2 surviving pretty high.
Take it you're not going to go to Kains main way of attacking, sword, for this fight.
I know Mewtwo can teleport all over the place, but kain has a limit of how much he can use it based on that gauge. Samus may be the weaker of the two but we can count her out. She has many skills, abilities and attacks that are very useful. But Samus in to M2 as the others are as you say for Kain; Useful attacks but not great against these two.
Learning fast in a fight is vital, higher IQ means he can process information instantaneously and form a swift counter attack. Mewtwos speed + teleportation is not irrelevant. And in TK feats Kain can not be the victor, as you said M2 has way more power and stronger feats. The range is irrelevant if one party had teleporting abilities, but both do. So range is a factor.
''M2 lacks greatly in the special power range'' You really want to stand by that? He finds Kain as a deadly obstacle only based on your views, containing the mist with M2s feats is undeniably simple.
Kain has nothing to stop M2. From what ive read Kain needs to constanly feed, a huge drawback if he cant get within those few meters of Mewtwo. And where in your theory had Kain been for instance had his head crushed for him just to become mist and be saved? From when he disintegrated metal on two separate ocations from only the energy 'around' him, so not concentrating to do so. Put that into wanting to wipe away the mist and Kain by what you say is done for.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Not PIS because his TK is stronger then themselves. And that something else is 'Mewtwo', sometimes the subject when being held is pain. Can tell just by looking at them.
Thanks to the movie being taken down and several unhelpful AMVs, as off now I can't get that specific clip. =[There are molecules in Kain too... and Kain isnt a large mass, a large mass for him would be a builden not a person. In the same amount of gestures it takes Kain to TK a person, M2 formed said huge hurricane. Mist wouldn't be able to float out of the Tk, and if he does M2 would just do a simple alter of the TK there to continue the hold.
Depends of if he can contol the same mass split over a long distance. Eg; holding to parts of the mist 50m away from each other, and Kain trying to reform from this. The moves Sunny day/ Rain dance that Mewtwo can learn (just checked his move-pool for this) or weather control. Besides its not needed anyway as his TK can do the job just as well. The speed of it disappearing depends on the the strength of whatever's making it fade. Vampire turns into mist then same mist turns back into vampire, im sure that will surprise him :/ Hed be more shocked that there's an angry bold guy screaming at them from a distance.
Im actually partially relieved to see those. The time slow-down was good, even if it did show Kain being a slow attacker, except that he had to raise his sword taking a second. And a simple TK took quite the chunk off that bar on the side. The teleport and time powers come from that reaver gauge at the bottom right? It drains very fast so i dont see him doing these in succession, with 'charging' of moves taking too long for this fight. The Blood Shower longest ranged from that video was 3.70/4m, and of the blood taken [Speed x Amount] / [Reaction x Counter move] makes the chance of M2 surviving pretty high.
Take it you're not going to go to Kains main way of attacking, sword, for this fight.I know Mewtwo can teleport all over the place, but kain has a limit of how much he can use it based on that gauge. Samus may be the weaker of the two but we can count her out. She has many skills, abilities and attacks that are very useful. But Samus in to M2 as the others are as you say for Kain; Useful attacks but not great against these two.
Learning fast in a fight is vital, higher IQ means he can process information instantaneously and form a swift counter attack. Mewtwos speed + teleportation is not irrelevant. And in TK feats Kain can not be the victor, as you said M2 has way more power and stronger feats. The range is irrelevant if one party had teleporting abilities, but both do. So range is a factor.
''M2 lacks greatly in the special power range'' You really want to stand by that? He finds Kain as a deadly obstacle only based on your views, containing the mist with M2s feats is undeniably simple.Kain has nothing to stop M2. From what ive read Kain needs to constanly feed, a huge drawback if he cant get within those few meters of Mewtwo. And where in your theory had Kain been for instance had his head crushed for him just to become mist and be saved? From when he disintegrated metal on two separate ocations from only the energy 'around' him, so not concentrating to do so. Put that into wanting to wipe away the mist and Kain by what you say is done for.
You think their not using their powers because they are in pain, pff, I doubt it, hes not exactly crushing them or at least it does not look it. Simply holding them, Allakazam was TK overpowered but that does not mean he could not have used anything else, theres no reason to believe for fact that none of them could use powers.
Yes, more densly packed than air. There are cells in M2 but I am not saying he pulls M2 apart because Kain has only TKed/controlled liquid, at least in the form of blood. kain is a large mass when your trying to use the TK that holds molecules of air to hold an entity. You have to show evidence he can simply "alter" his already current physical hold, based on logic I would say he would have to do it again, he has never shown he can suddenly go from holding a molecule then expand his TK without re-establishing it.
Theres no depends because your once again claiming that Kain is somehow only one molecule of mist? Kain transforms his whole body into ALL the mist, therefore all the mist is Kain.....it doesnt matter if its all over the place does it if its all Kain. M2 being able to learn a skill in I assume a game such as one of the gameboy games is not canon and cannot be used. no what will surprise him is Vampire turns into mist, then M2 wouldnt know what to do....hes not all knowing afterall, merely more mentally adept so he will be surprised when all the mist forms behind him while hes looking in another direction or fighting other team mates.
The bar on the side and bottom are gameplay mechanics, we dont use these mechanics in a debate. Just like we dont use Kains health bar either or M2 hp in the gameboy games. odds of M2 surviving pretty high? lol, as soon as it happens he would prob be paralysed from blood pouring through his system unless you have evidence to suggest his whole body convulsing from pints nad pints of blood pouring through it affects him none whatsoever? and this is assuming Kain calls the blood to him, and not downwards int M2 heart, or up into his brain.
theres no teleport gauge so I dont really know what your talking about?
M2 has stronger Tk feats if the competition is to create tornados, but its not. Kain can kill M2 in one TK use, M2 can perhaps incapacitate Kain for a short duration with one TK use..... M2 has nearly no "special powers" e.g. time manipulation and blood TK and mental control in comaprison to Kain, M2 powers and main feats are mostly just blunt physical force and phyiscal manipulation.
Kain has many things to stop M2, from his own TK in M2 blood to his time powers to freeze him dead, or he could just throttle him in his mind, its more the opposite actually, M2 cannot actually defeat Kain, only prolong the invetiable that Kain wins. I dont know what you have read but Kain starves if he has had no blood for days sure, so yes he does have to feed if this was not Kain in his strognest form. Kain in his most recent and most consistent form such as the one were debating is not held back by this problem. Kains body is physically unessery, you act as if having his head crushed would be relevent? Kain can transform his physical form into mist, therefore why would Kains head being crushed prevent this?
Originally posted by Burning thought
But still molecules none the less. He cant pull M2 apart because he cant, its basic Kains shown TKing blood while M2 is shown TKing practically anything. From people to clouds/mist. A large mass is a storm, a house, even car not the mass of Kain. Hes holding Kain in the same area he was in, turns to mist in the same area M2 wouldn't even have to think that he should be holding the mist instead. Lets say for your sake M2 did have to do it again...The mist is right there and he can already easily handly mist so the time from grab to grab would be a a split second at most.
You got claiming Kain becomes one molecule from ''contol the same mass split over a long distance'' -,- splitting mist into different part over a long distance means splitting the concious to separately control each part, unless he's shown this feat?. O,o the games not being canon? oh boy... anyway ''-MewTwo can use abilities from outside the games'' first post, can obviously use moves inside the game. Yeah a guy turning into mist will shock a guy who lives with pkmn, 500 strange creatures all with odd powers. Kains fighting a 2m tall bipedal cat with psychic powers, the shock effect obviously does not work in this fight.
Gameplay mechanics? Even if you were the one who said ''Quicksilver drained your DT.'' which is a gameplay mechanic. The fact is one simple TK on an average... thing took 1/4 of his reserve. Mentioning the bar was to show you that he cant do this as much as he wants.
Didn't look like pints and pints, and as soon as M2 realises he can teleport away. IF he can redirect it in that way, as the purpose of the move is to drain the blood towards Kain. ''The time slow-down was good, even if it did show Kain being a slow attacker, except that he had to raise his sword taking a second. (...) The teleport and time powers come from that reaver gauge at the bottom right? It drains very fast so i dont see him doing these in succession, with 'charging' of moves taking too long for this fight. The Blood Shower longest ranged from that video was 3.70/4m, and of the blood taken [Speed x Amount] / [Reaction x Counter move] makes the chance of M2 surviving pretty high.'' Just because these are decent point.
Just guessing that that gauge also effected the teleport as it is one of those fragment things.
Creating it shows his power which is the whole point of the hurricane feat. And that took no effort, now if you take all that power and more and concentrate in on Kain, there's nothing he can do. Lets just say it will do a little more then incapacitate him. Can check the mental control off that list as its not gonna help him. Slow time for 20m radius and blood drain for 4m. Want another move for M2, Shadow ball. High destructive damage. Literally explosive force. With that force and manipulation of his normal TK being immense.
Few thing i read say he has to constantly feed, or weakness will insure. By what people say gaining blood tops up his slowly falling energy. Need to see something that says otherwise. I dont know, maybe because decapitation seems like a fatal thing 😐 Becoming mist from the videos hasnt shown strong levitating feats to keep up with M2, best hight ive seen is parallel to the ground to float over water. Only way would be for him to evade his head being destroyed would be for him to have reaction times so fast they border on precog. Hed have to know M2 was going to crush his head and not just TK his body for some reason. So hes staying in most form for the whole fight? Because hell have to reform soon.
Originally posted by BloodRain
For this reason: If youve been grabbed and you have a move to get out, you do it. No one has been shown able to do anything after being TKd.But still molecules none the less. He cant pull M2 apart because he cant, its basic Kains shown TKing blood while M2 is shown TKing practically anything. From people to clouds/mist. A large mass is a storm, a house, even car not the mass of Kain. Hes holding Kain in the same area he was in, turns to mist in the same area M2 wouldn't even have to think that he should be holding the mist instead. Lets say for your sake M2 did have to do it again...The mist is right there and he can already easily handly mist so the time from grab to grab would be a a split second at most.
You got claiming Kain becomes one molecule from ''contol the same mass split over a long distance'' -,- splitting mist into different part over a long distance means splitting the concious to separately control each part, unless he's shown this feat?. O,o the games not being canon? oh boy... anyway ''-MewTwo can use abilities from outside the games'' first post, can obviously use moves inside the game. Yeah a guy turning into mist will shock a guy who lives with pkmn, 500 strange creatures all with odd powers. Kains fighting a 2m tall bipedal cat with psychic powers, the shock effect obviously does not work in this fight.
Gameplay mechanics? Even if you were the one who said ''Quicksilver drained your DT.'' which is a gameplay mechanic. The fact is one simple TK on an average... thing took 1/4 of his reserve. Mentioning the bar was to show you that he cant do this as much as he wants.
Didn't look like pints and pints, and as soon as M2 realises he can teleport away. IF he can redirect it in that way, as the purpose of the move is to drain the blood towards Kain. ''The time slow-down was good, even if it did show Kain being a slow attacker, except that he had to raise his sword taking a second. (...) The teleport and time powers come from that reaver gauge at the bottom right? It drains very fast so i dont see him doing these in succession, with 'charging' of moves taking too long for this fight. [B]The Blood Shower longest ranged from that video was 3.70/4m, and of the blood taken [Speed x Amount] / [Reaction x Counter move] makes the chance of M2 surviving pretty high.
'' Just because these are decent point.
Just guessing that that gauge also effected the teleport as it is one of those fragment things.Creating it shows his power which is the whole point of the hurricane feat. And that took no effort, now if you take all that power and more and concentrate in on Kain, there's nothing he can do. Lets just say it will do a little more then incapacitate him. Can check the mental control off that list as its not gonna help him. Slow time for 20m radius and blood drain for 4m. Want another move for M2, Shadow ball. High destructive damage. Literally explosive force. With that force and manipulation of his normal TK being immense.
Few thing i read say he has to constantly feed, or weakness will insure. By what people say gaining blood tops up his slowly falling energy. Need to see something that says otherwise. I dont know, maybe because decapitation seems like a fatal thing 😐 Becoming mist from the videos hasnt shown strong levitating feats to keep up with M2, best hight ive seen is parallel to the ground to float over water. Only way would be for him to evade his head being destroyed would be for him to have reaction times so fast they border on precog. Hed have to know M2 was going to crush his head and not just TK his body for some reason. So hes staying in most form for the whole fight? Because hell have to reform soon. [/B]
Which indicates they must need to move their hands or gesture to make it happen, although ive never seen M2 hold someone solid, either their arms or some part of their body seems free...
False, M2 has been shown Tking mostly solid objects, the only objection to this seems to be the manipulation of wind currents or w/e he did to cause the hurricane which took longer. Kain can TK solid forms and liquid/blood cells. Not if he has to concentrate on each TK, and grabbing particles happened with gestures when concerning the hurricane, not split seconds.....Kain can mess up M2 by constantly going in and out of mist/phyiscal to escape any or all of M2 assaults only to deliver a devastating attack, Kain could use one of any of the mentioned attacks to destroy M2.
Yes because your trying to claim that Kains conciousness resides in one area, it resides in the entirety of the mist because while he is transformed that is what Kain is. So spreading the mist is just like speading Kain, he will just have a harder time bringing the mist together. Yeh inside the game that is canon, M2 is never canonically shown with all the abilities he is technically able to learn. You seem to be misunderstanding what I am saying when I talk of surprising, by surprise i mean M2 will not know where or when Kain will reform, simple....Kain could appear right behind him or far away and he would never have known until his blood pours forth.
DT is a representation of Dantes devil energies which are actually made canon in the DMC games, the green bar has no context within the LOK canon unlike Dantes Devil energies understand? therefore the green bar has no connection with Kain or TK when considering canon powers. And in-game the TK bar when maxed is almost infnite anyway so if we were talking a gameplay based fight it would be irrelevent.
You kidding? a huge stream of blood, it was at least as thick as kains mouth streaming away from who Kain is aiming at, easily make pints over a few seconds, more than enough to send M2 into shock and spasms of pain and maybe even paralyse his body. Teleport away if hes not blacked out from massive blood loss....
Kain cannot teleport during gameplay, he only does it in cutscenes. Also your still listing gameplay mechanics, reaver gauge, TK bar, all things only found in-game but not in canon or in cutscenes or even refered to.
Thats not what I heard, apprently M2 held the Hurricane going through gestures. Conentrate it on Kain? he manipulates currents to cause devastating effects, that power concentrated on Kain would do nothing as kain is not a wind current is he....if he was in mist form then once again, it would blow him about but thats about it. Not going to help him? it would make the fight 4 vs 1.......or technically still 3 vs 1 because Kain is incapaciated while mind controlling another.
Show me your source your reading this from, and this is irrelvent in this fight, Kain is elder Kain in this battle. Decapitation for Kain means nothing, hes had worse done to him and he got up a few minutes later unharmed and happy enough to destroy a few demons.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Well, its not like Kain has any kind of uber durability. He did get his heart ripped out by Raziel's hand, after all...
He gets slashed by the wrath blade beforehand which has consistently throughout the game been used to phase through opponents nad eat their souls, it did not phase through Kain. Also Raziel is just as strong as Kain physically based on feats, theres those blocks that I have shown in the Kain thread but there are huge pillars probably thicker and larger than those Link moves in another part of the game. Annoyingly enough I cannot find the video/clip for those 🙁
Besides Kain does not need durability, his supernatural powers allow him to survive things the others in this group could not.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Teleport required no gestures. And the trainer in blue could not move.
Trying to say it took him the long time of a second to create a hurricane and making it sound like a negative? And as shown in this world psychic attacks are able to manipulate practically anything eg lighting. Kains TK on solid forms is standard at best, hasn't manipulated any other liquid besides blood. Yes some concentration on a hurricane. You said it yourself that the higher IQ allows him to learn faster, being able to adapt to Kain going in and out of mist is more then simple.
Im claiming that his conciousness allows him to move the mass of mist when its whole, not shown evidence that he can split it as you've mentioned he can. Oh and ''spreading'' is not the same as 'separating'. As said its M2 with all powers available, no restriction on him. Its a move that M2 can learn, like moves in any game. Besides the point as weather manipulation can provide the same effects. Ahh i see what youre going for now, in this case the reverse is true.
(Not a fun match to watch if M2 attempts a move and Kain teleports. Then Kain trys something and M2 teleports. `,` heh)
Claiming Dantes gauge is a representation when Kains is not. Same purpose. The real point is that what was shown was that a he'll have to do a larger TK feat to hold M2, one hes hasnt displayed.
Almost the thickness plus being wisp like (not thick like pouring out of a cut wound) and by the 'few second' it can be reacted to. An 80kg person can go into shock when they've lost around 2.5 pints, by that math M2 may (If his bodily functions are the same as a persons) go into shock over 4/5 pints. That much blood, compared to how much is taken and within 4m. All worthless if M2 simply teleports as soon as he attempts anything.
You know Kains teleporting range? When i mention the gauge/bars im only implying that it can roughly show how much of whatever it measures can be used. Like in the pkmn world, the amount of HP they have wont be referenced in a fight but it does tell how much they can take.
Yeah it takes more effort for me to wave to someone then it take for him to create those feats. Flicks of the wrist to manipulate something 100k times the size of Kain, divide the effect by the actions and its still many times what Kain can do. Not concentrate the hurricane on him, the TK it took to control as that power is massive. Has Kain ever mind controlled someone in M2s league? Or anyone above the average grunt? The same thing for the blood drain, done on anyone that can actually fight back above said grunts? Not counting taking a bosses blood after beating them.
Or you could just show me where it says that this Kain does not need to feed constantly. Can you also show me when Kain has had a part of his body taken away from the rest of him? He may of had these worse things done but it only relates if it can compare to the head being removed and crushed.
On a separate note hows Kains defences from physical blows? (Not because im thinking M2 can one-hit KO him. Just because we've covered everything else, may as well check this out.)
Originally posted by BloodRain
Teleport required no gestures. And the trainer in blue could not move.
Trying to say it took him the long time of a second to create a hurricane and making it sound like a negative? And as shown in this world psychic attacks are able to manipulate practically anything eg lighting. Kains TK on solid forms is standard at best, hasn't manipulated any other liquid besides blood. Yes some concentration on a [B]hurricane. You said it yourself that the higher IQ allows him to learn faster, being able to adapt to Kain going in and out of mist is more then simple.Im claiming that his conciousness allows him to move the mass of mist when its whole, not shown evidence that he can split it as you've mentioned he can. Oh and ''spreading'' is not the same as 'separating'. As said its M2 with all powers available, no restriction on him. Its a move that M2 can learn, like moves in any game. Besides the point as weather manipulation can provide the same effects. Ahh i see what youre going for now, in this case the reverse is true.
(Not a fun match to watch if M2 attempts a move and Kain teleports. Then Kain trys something and M2 teleports. `,` heh)Claiming Dantes gauge is a representation when Kains is not. Same purpose. The real point is that what was shown was that a he'll have to do a larger TK feat to hold M2, one hes hasnt displayed.
Almost the thickness plus being wisp like (not thick like pouring out of a cut wound) and by the 'few second' it can be reacted to. An 80kg person can go into shock when they've lost around 2.5 pints, by that math M2 may (If his bodily functions are the same as a persons) go into shock over 4/5 pints. That much blood, compared to how much is taken and within 4m. All worthless if M2 simply teleports as soon as he attempts anything.
You know Kains teleporting range? When i mention the gauge/bars im only implying that it can roughly show how much of whatever it measures can be used. Like in the pkmn world, the amount of HP they have wont be referenced in a fight but it does tell how much they can take.
Yeah it takes more effort for me to wave to someone then it take for him to create those feats. Flicks of the wrist to manipulate something 100k times the size of Kain, divide the effect by the actions and its still many times what Kain can do. Not concentrate the hurricane on him, the TK it took to control as that power is massive. Has Kain ever mind controlled someone in M2s league? Or anyone above the average grunt? The same thing for the blood drain, done on anyone that can actually fight back above said grunts? Not counting taking a bosses blood after beating them.
Or you could just show me where it says that this Kain does not need to feed constantly. Can you also show me when Kain has had a part of his body taken away from the rest of him? He may of had these worse things done but it only relates if it can compare to the head being removed and crushed.
On a separate note hows Kains defences from physical blows? (Not because im thinking M2 can one-hit KO him. Just because we've covered everything else, may as well check this out.) [/B]
Then its PIS, TK does not disrupt anything that does not need to move to activate. Its a negative because that was the only time he has manipilated anytihng other than physical objects, and is important for when he is apprently going to Tk kains mist. He cannot adapt to it because Tk is limited.
He is not moving the mist, he IS the mist......just like when he transforms into hundreds of bats, he IS the bats. Its M2 with all canon powers, those powers he can "learn" based on what a player decides is not canon to M2, its a debate given that characters only use powers specifically canon to them, e.g. the moves they naturally have such as M2 phy feats and powers. Air current manip like that which M2 can use to cause hurricanes cannot heat up mist and make it dissipate, although that argument is ridiculous anyway, Kain can go in and out of mist as I said and probably will to avoid M2 any time to actually make much of an impact on him as mist, or as a physical entity.
No, Kains is not a representation, simply a gameplay mechanic, Dante on the other hand has devil energy, Kain does not have "tk energy" not that this even makes sense. M2 is not heavy, Kain could easily hold M2, and manip his blood, M2 has no defence against either as LOk TK works differently to Pokemon, LOK Tk does not get "pushed" back, it simply appears at a point and has the desired effect.
Although thats normal blood loss, not forceful pouring blood moving through his whole system, this is not an argument, stop trying to crate feats that are never shown, M2 will die if he has blood pouring through his system in a way it should not. Veins would rupture, his heart would go berserk, his bodily functions would cease to function.
logically theres no such thing as a teleporting range but Kain seems to have teleported across half of Nosgoth before from his chamber to the time sreaming device. It does not, HP bars in Pokemon games can change drastically depending on how the player has trained their pokemon, this is not displayed, hp is not displayed in a real sitation.
Can M2 even concentrate all that mental power on a single point? I dont think its been done, also your talkign as if moving air currents can destroy Kain, the only reason it created such a powerful hurricane is because he manipulated the air, not because he used a huge amount of telekinetic force....although I guess to make the hurricane so large he would have to have done it a lot of times which takes some power but still, not the same as a blunt physical attack that your suggesting. Your questions make no sense, unless someone has a specific resistance to Kain draining blood it should not matter if his target is a grunt, the King or another vampire or indeed M2, logically theres no reason to belive Kain cannot, same with the mind controlling, M2 has not got a "league" in mental resistance as he has zero.
Kain has no heart, his physical body is dead therefore feeding is unessery, this should provide evidence for this AND answer your next question:
and after this experiance (we dont know how long, but it would be impossible/illogcial if its more than a few minutes, if that as he is in the demon dimension, demons that would have ripped him apart if he was vulnerable).
I think its still in my bio, or in the Kain respect thread, if you cant find my comparison of strength and durability for Kain ill try and find it for you.