Ganondorf v.s. Cloud

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I wouldn't say Ganon was totally unharmed. He was knocked silly to the point where a fishing rod fascinated him. That and an attack, like supernova, is a bit more impressive and Cloud and his friends could withstand that.

In advent children Cloud is injured by a *gun*, Cloud could not withstand a Supernova, ever. That entire attack is one big over-hyped illusion on a *small explosion*.

But its irrelevant cause its Cloud and Ganon. I was just pointing out that both characters have survived massive hits. Though I would like to point out that Ganon would have survived that attack regardless but he probably used magic. And it probably drained him of it, considering in the next fight he only sword fights you.

Supernova actually is supposed to simulate the real strength of a supernova according to the book. But because of gameplay mechanics it only took away 98% of health, sense no Gameplay mechanics here...

Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
But its irrelevant cause its Cloud and Ganon. I was just pointing out that both characters have survived massive hits. Though I would like to point out that Ganon would have survived that attack regardless but he probably used magic. And it probably drained him of it, considering in the next fight he only sword fights you.

Actually in the very next fight he summons 4 or 5 wraiths to attack you while fighting on horseback...

The master sword reflects his own magic back at him, he's not dumb enough to try the same thing over again. 😐

But yeah, Ganon is too durable for Cloud to hurt. /Thread.

He's also too strong for Cloud to even consider surviving being struck.

Annd he has broken powers like incredibly powerful telekenisis and the ability to seal people in the gap between dimensions and possess people, and so on and so forth. Why no just possess Cloud andm ake him gut himself for the lulz?

Or just punch him and reduce him to liquid. 😐

A gun? Well....its a gun. Clouds a human. Guns tend to penetrate the flesh of humans, especially if its to the face. I'll put a gun to Ganons face. He survives laser blasts from the various machine bosses you fight. I didn't say he was immune to anything but he can still take a hit. Couple that with the ability to heal and you've got a fighter who can take a few hits.

there is a reflect materia...

Because fighting with magic makes more sense than fighting without it? He uses it in OoT without any concern for its ability to reflect magic. And he is a fool to think he could out swordsman Link.

Cloud, Bahamut, KoR, any other summons or magic can't hurt him at all? Cast Death on him, wait half a minute, then its over. I mean if we're going to be one sided.

Cloud has fought off people in his mind before so he could dd the same here.

A gun? Well....its a gun. Clouds a human. Guns tend to penetrate the flesh of humans, especially if its to the face. I'll put a gun to Ganons face. He survives laser blasts from the various machine bosses you fight. I didn't say he was immune to anything but he can still take a hit. Couple that with the ability to heal and you've got a fighter who can take a few hits.
You're missing the point. It shows that Cloud has very ow durability compared to most fictional characters who bullets simply bounce off of. IT also shows that Sephiroth doesn't hit muich ahrder than a bullet because he cuts Cloud several times in AC. Annnd Super nova is not as strong as an exploding star, or Cloud would be vapourised.

Cloud, Bahamut, KoR, any other summons or magic can't hurt him at all? Cast Death on him, wait half a minute, then its over. I mean if we're going to be one sided.
Cause it totally worked on Sephiroth. /Eyeroll. Conversely, Ganon has death curses too, and could just cast one on Cloud, who has no resistance to it. 😬

So yeah... Cloud as nothing that can touch Ganon. /thread.

And Link can be harmed by sword slashes by common enemies. Again, it simulates a super nova and its fiction. So if he can take, he can take it. Along with other attacks like Diamond laser and the other ones.

They do work on Sephiroth. They don't one hit him but yeah they'll hurt him.

Yes Supernova IS as strong as an exploding star, says so in the book it simulates the power of one. It only doesn't kill you IN THE GAME because of gameplay mechanics, which aren't even in play here.

And Link can be harmed by sword slashes by common enemies. Again, it simulates a super nova and its fiction. So if he can take, he can take it. Along with other attacks like Diamond laser and the other ones.
Gameplay < Canon. You're trying to use gameplay. Don't bother. Cloud in canon could never survive such attacks if they were as powerful as you claim, because he can be hurt by something as comparitively weak as a bullet. 😐

Take for instance AC, which is essentially one long cutscene illustrating the limits of the powers of it's characters.

Conversely, Ganon has a cutscene of being slashed in the face several times by an individual many orders of magnitude stronger than Cloud, with what amounts to Ganondorf's kryptonite.

Yes Supernova IS as strong as an exploding star, says so in the book it simulates the power of one. It only doesn't kill you IN THE GAME because of gameplay mechanics, which aren't even in play here.
If this is the case why bother summoning a meteor? /eyeroll. It's clearly a hyperbolic statement, and one that makes no sense in the context of the FF7 universe and what we know the characters are capable of.

No i will try to find a link to the portion of the book about Supernova. He has had it even sense before Nibelhiem. The cutscene it goes through is the allusion, not the damage it does, in the game it does not kill you because of gameplay mechanics. Who would want to play a game with the boss has an intant kill you can not dodge or get out of by any means nessasary? The end of the game wasn't originally supposed to be like that but like all good games it was rushed. It was originally supposed to be on a time limit you had to kill him before he did super nova. Thats what is says in the interviews i watched years ago.

Gameplay? You mean like the gameplay when you walk up to a pillar and chuck it. If its a video....you have to use gameplay. And of course he can be hurt by a bullet. Link could be hurt by a bullet to the face. You're arguing using Cloud from Advent Children, he never uses his materia and never fights anyone that strong. Bahamut SIN is roughly the equivalent of the WEAPONS maybe but he had everyone helping him, which the game doesn't allow til the end. Kadaj is weak and Sephiroth is nothing compared to Safer Sephiroth.

The fact he had it before Nibelhiem only further shows it is not as powerful as an exploding star. 😐

Otherwise the planet would be favpourised when he used it.

Gameplay? You mean like the gameplay when you walk up to a pillar and chuck it. If its a video....you have to use gameplay.
The pillar has a cutscene.
And of course he can be hurt by a bullet. Link could be hurt by a bullet to the face.
No he wouldn't, or being hit by Ganon once would reduce him to a light red paste 😬

You're arguing using Cloud from Advent Children, he never uses his materia and never fights anyone that strong.
He uses his limit breaks and fights Sephiroth.
Bahamut SIN is roughly the equivalent of the WEAPONS maybe but he had everyone helping him, which the game doesn't allow til the end. Kadaj is weak and Sephiroth is nothing compared to Safer Sephiroth.
Actually, A.C. Sephiroth is his most powerful.

No actually "Safer" Sephiroth is not his most powerful form, AC Sephiroth is. Even says in the reunion files. But "Safer" is a mistranslation to "Sareph" the six winged angels that guard gods throne.

It is in a sense, The heat it simulates is of an exploding star NOT the cutscene.

If AC Sephiroth is the strongest, Cloud killed him before he could demonstrate his full power because he really wasn't that impressive in comparison to Safer Sephy.