Originally posted by King KandyIt's not like Pain showed any way to counter the frog song so there is nothing to prove it won't work. Pain saying some off-handed comment doesn't really cut it. Also he won't be exhausted, surprised, and will be able to use the Frog Song again. Unless Nagato decides to destroy his village that is.
But, he couldn't take them out without his genjutsu, and like Pein said the same trick won't work on him twice. Even if he takes out those three and removes the receptors, he will still have to deal with the other three while exhausted, and imo he just can't do it.
Originally posted by Kento
It's not like Pain showed any way to counter the frog song so there is nothing to prove it won't work. Pain saying some off-handed comment doesn't really cut it. Also he won't be exhausted, surprised, and will be able to use the Frog Song again. Unless Nagato decides to destroy his village that is.
Originally posted by King Kandy😮 Forgot the first part.
Don't you remember that the frogs couldn't talk well after the jutsu and said it was too hard on their throats? I doubt they could pull a second consecutive one, and Pein could just pull it towards him and skewer him like he did the second time.
alot of pains's strenght is based on the fact that you dont know his abilities having said that. according to the rules jiraiya is going to know about all 6 pains and their abilities... this plays a big factor because look what naruto did to them.... he had a heads up on their powers that gave him the ability to counter their attacks accordingly...that being said the only problem i see here is deva pain. with him its more of a hit or miss thing with him there are a number of ways jiraiya could beat him and and a number of ways he could lose
Originally posted by yungz22
alot of pains's strenght is based on the fact that you dont know his abilities having said that. according to the rules jiraiya is going to know about all 6 pains and their abilities... this plays a big factor because look what naruto did to them.... he had a heads up on their powers that gave him the ability to counter their attacks accordingly...that being said the only problem i see here is deva pain. with him its more of a hit or miss thing with him there are a number of ways jiraiya could beat him and and a number of ways he could lose
Originally posted by big juggy man😬 And then Pain goes and uses Chibaku Tensei which destroyed Jiraiya completely. So..yea doubtful that Jiraiya could've won even knowing anything. He'd have done better probably cause he wouldn't have been ambushed but still.
Do you people even watch Naruto or understand what you are reading? Pain has stated himself if Jiraiya new about all of his secrets when they fought Jiraiya would of most likely won. Good grief you people who like anime are sure clueless.
Originally posted by big juggy man
Do you people even watch Naruto or understand what you are reading? Pain has stated himself if Jiraiya new about all of his secrets when they fought Jiraiya would of most likely won. Good grief you people who like anime are sure clueless.
I think Jiraiya wins because he knows how to locate Pain without having to stab himself with the controls rods (cause he knows his secret and he's smart enough) so he sends a giant toad after the real pain to just jump right on him while Jiraiya pulls away, with a shadow clone, away from the other 6 Pains.
That, or he goes into the mix, with several shadow clones, BEFORE attacking...figures out where the body is before Pain knows he going to attack, and kills Pain.
There's tons and tons and tons of scripted things you could come up with, if the person knows Pain's secret before Jiraiya attacks.
Why would Jiraiya look for anything other than the real Pain if he knew the secret? There's no reason to even fight the others....at all. That's why Pain said what he said. Think outside the box, dudes.
Originally posted by dadudemonGetting to Nagato might not be hard but Nagato isn't exactly powerless himself. After all it was him, and not some puppet bodies that killed Hanzo and all the other Rain Village ninjas, and Konoha root ninja he killed.
I think Jiraiya wins because he knows how to locate Pain without having to stab himself with the controls rods (cause he knows his secret and he's smart enough) so he sends a giant toad after the real pain to just jump right on him while Jiraiya pulls away, with a shadow clone, away from the other 6 Pains.That, or he goes into the mix, with several shadow clones, BEFORE attacking...figures out where the body is before Pain knows he going to attack, and kills Pain.
There's tons and tons and tons of scripted things you could come up with, if the person knows Pain's secret before Jiraiya attacks.
Why would Jiraiya look for anything other than the real Pain if he knew the secret? There's no reason to even fight the others....at all. That's why Pain said what he said. Think outside the box, dudes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think Jiraiya wins because he knows how to locate Pain without having to stab himself with the controls rods (cause he knows his secret and he's smart enough) so he sends a giant toad after the real pain to just jump right on him while Jiraiya pulls away, with a shadow clone, away from the other 6 Pains.That, or he goes into the mix, with several shadow clones, BEFORE attacking...figures out where the body is before Pain knows he going to attack, and kills Pain.
There's tons and tons and tons of scripted things you could come up with, if the person knows Pain's secret before Jiraiya attacks.
Why would Jiraiya look for anything other than the real Pain if he knew the secret? There's no reason to even fight the others....at all. That's why Pain said what he said. Think outside the box, dudes.
Nagato has the powers of all six pein bodies, and they protect him, so I don't see why he would be able to beat Nagato even if they met ftf. Nagato can also control his body if he is close enough.
Originally posted by big juggy manBecause Pain goes and does Chibaku Tensei, and Shinra Tensei after. Pain has every single advantage. Jiraiya will never get close, and all of his attacks pretty much end up void with the exception of Frog Song. If Pain wanted he could lay out pretty much anybody in Naruto with one Shinra Tensei. He laid out Gamabunta and two other summons with one that wasn't even full powered. And Jiraiya is suppose to run from a man who can pull him back towards him if he so wished? And there is no reason to think Nagato himself doesn't have the same abilities. It's his chakra, him controlling the bodies. So even if he somehow got to Nagato and away from the bodies how does that help? Without some off chance of getting Frog Song off without Nagato getting him.
Why disregard a statement a character made out of his mouth? That is like asking who would win Jiraiya or Kisame when Kisame already said he couldn't win.How about you make a thread called Nine Tailed Naruto vs Kiba but then make a hilarious stipulation even though we know Kiba wouldnt win.
Originally posted by big juggy man
Why disregard a statement a character made out of his mouth? That is like asking who would win Jiraiya or Kisame when Kisame already said he couldn't win.How about you make a thread called Nine Tailed Naruto vs Kiba but then make a hilarious stipulation even though we know Kiba wouldnt win.
Originally posted by Kento
Getting to Nagato might not be hard but Nagato isn't exactly powerless himself. After all it was him, and not some puppet bodies that killed Hanzo and all the other Rain Village ninjas, and Konoha root ninja he killed.
Jiraiya was his young self, not his "learned and wise" Sage self, when he fought Hanzo. He came a long way since his days of fighting Hanzo.
Pain is definitely formidible in his own form, for sure. However, an enraged sage mode Naruto resisted Pain's body control technique.
I was thinking more along the lines of Jiraiya summoning a giant massive toad, then have the toad jump super high in the air and land right on top of Pain. The aind.
Originally posted by King Kandy
The reason to fight the others is that he has to. They're attacking him. His only alternative is pretty much letting them beat on him, or running away which won't necessarily take him anywhere productive.Nagato has the powers of all six pein bodies, and they protect him, so I don't see why he would be able to beat Nagato even if they met ftf. Nagato can also control his body if he is close enough.
But that's not what Pain meant when he said Jiraiya could beat him if he knew his secret.