Jiraiya Vs. Pein, the rematch

Maybe Pain meant that frog song could have won it if all the bodies were on the table at once, but he wasted it on three prematurely.

But without the frog song he couldn't have even matched the first three bodies.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But without the frog song he couldn't have even matched the first three bodies.

The song affects anyone who hears it though. I dont think it makes much difference if three bodies hear it or six bodies hear it. Nagato was even in the jutsu himself, its just that the three bodies were there to be physically killed while the other three were absent. If all six were present then I feel all six would be dead.

But if not for the frog song, there would not have been any need to call in the other three. Jiraiya would have just fought with the first three until he died.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But if not for the frog song, there would not have been any need to call in the other three. Jiraiya would have just fought with the first three until he died.

Indeed, but if Pain starts with 6 and Jiraiya gets the frog song off it would one shot them all. However, Jiraiya would likely die before busting out frog song. I see NO WAY he can contend with Deva on the field. I'd still give it to Pain. Just saying the frog song is kind of broken if you arent expecting it.

Jiraiya would probably get the heck out of there if he knows the secret and knows there are three more bodies waiting to come out. He'd know he cant win...I think he can escape with his life at best in this scenario.

But pein won't start with 6. He'll start with animal realm, then the other two, and then all six if he needs to, just like the first time.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But pein won't start with 6. He'll start with animal realm, then the other two, and then all six if he needs to, just like the first time.

Yeah, well lets just say he goes with an early frog song since he knows that works, kills three, then just camps their bodies until the other three pop out. He'd need another frog song to take out the other three but he'd get shinra tensei'd before that happened since Pain would realize how dangerous it is at that point. Pain was probably still tramautized by frog song when he said Jiraiya would win if he knew the secret. Kid didnt recover yet and was still shaken...

The only way for Jiraiya to win is if Jiraiya calls out the other three bodies, perhaps Pain would accept the challenge and get frog songed. I can see him taking it like that. The key is having six on the field when the frog song hits. I don't know if Jiraiya has a powerful technique that would force the other three bodies out so he's gonna have to talk Nagato into busting them out..

The frogs throats are too hurt after the song to perform it twice in a row. So camping is no good.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The frogs throats are too hurt after the song to perform it twice in a row. So camping is no good.

Only chance is to call out those other bodies then...I don't know if Nagato will accept. I know Nagato would be shocked that Jiraiya figured out there are six bodies, but I'm not sure if he would put them on the field if he thinks three is sufficient.

Even if they could do a second song I dont think Pain is dumb enough to let it happen again....is he?

If all six of the pains fought him at once they get beat. Jiraiya's genjutsu would stop them all the same and he would still kill them all.

Pretty much no one could stop that technique considering Jiraiya is strong enough to fight them while Ma and Pa charge the genjutsu.

God realm is too strong for jiraiya alone. That doesnt make him weak by any means its just the 6 paths are devastating 6v 1

Originally posted by chasedown
God realm is too strong for jiraiya alone. That doesnt make him weak by any means its just the 6 paths are devastating 6v 1

Um, base Naruto with a bunch of clones broke through Almighty push. I'm sure Jiraiya in sage mode would scoff at its futility. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um, base Naruto with a bunch of clones broke through Almighty push. I'm sure Jiraiya in sage mode would scoff at its futility. 👆

They were both extremely weakened at that point and there is no evidence of jiraiya being able to create the amount of shadow clones naruto can.

Ppl forget that naruto would have lost that fight if it werent for the kyubbi