lol of course it matters how close. Nagato's ability to project chakra decreases as it gets farther than him. This is why he located himself on top of a high point (as Ino's father found out), and why the deva realm couldn't use Chibaku until he was closer to Nagato.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/
"THIS CLOSE, I can easily control you with my chakra".
Originally posted by King Kandy
lol of course it matters how close. Nagato's ability to project chakra decreases as it gets farther than him. This is why he located himself on top of a high point (as Ino's father found out), and why the deva realm couldn't use Chibaku until he was closer to Nagato.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/
"THIS CLOSE, I can easily control you with my chakra".
ok you got me there but what does how long the pole is have to do with anything
Originally posted by Kento
😬 It's his chakra, and the bodies don't have those abilities before he puppets them. I seriously doubt eyes that can create any move only can use them in puppet bodies. And if all else fails he can still rip out Jiraiya's soul.
You have to prove that, though. Where does it state or imply that those abilities are solely Pain's? Anything is better than nothing. From what we see, they are from the bodies.
Things such as the summons may or may not be able to work for Pain: the contract was made with that lady's (dude's) body, so Pain couldn't summon them.
The rocket main dude cyborg thingie: obviously, those abilities are of the body.
The "force" Deva Path powers: why would the logic stop here? It's a unique Kekei Ghenkai to Yohiko.
Etc.
Originally posted by dadudemonThe eyes he has created ninjutsu.
You have to prove that, though. Where does it state or imply that those abilities are solely Pain's? Anything is better than nothing. From what we see, they are from the bodies.Things such as the summons may or may not be able to work for Pain: the contract was made with that lady's (dude's) body, so Pain couldn't summon them.
The rocket main dude cyborg thingie: obviously, those abilities are of the body.
The "force" Deva Path powers: why would the logic stop here? It's a unique Kekei Ghenkai to Yohiko.
Etc.
Anybody can summon. Nagato could summon easily, just probably not the same animals, and that's probably why Female and Male Animal Realm use different ones.
He's a cyborg, his rockets may or may not be a jutsu.
God Realm used Chibaku Tensei. Who created that move? The Sage. Who is the one who is descended from The Sage? Nagato. Yahiko's body is using powers of something that he can't use as it's not his bloodline it's Nagato's.
Then there is Absorbing Pain who Jiraiya fought. You'd think he would have noticed the dude's ability to...well absorb jutsu. But lo and behold he didn't.
Another Pain's power is ripping souls out of people. Just exactly like Nagato did to Hanzo and the others.
Then reviving Pain, who revives the bodies. Exactly like Pain did to the entire village.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The "force" Deva Path powers: why would the logic stop here? It's a unique Kekei Ghenkai to Yohiko.Etc.
Chronologically, Nagato is the first one to use Shinra Tensei (as far as we know). He uses it just after Yahiko is killed. Yahiko was said to be a master with water ninjutsu or something like that, not gravity-based powers.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/447/02/
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http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/447/03/
Originally posted by dadudemon
You have to prove that, though. Where does it state or imply that those abilities are solely Pain's? Anything is better than nothing. From what we see, they are from the bodies.Things such as the summons may or may not be able to work for Pain: the contract was made with that lady's (dude's) body, so Pain couldn't summon them.
The rocket main dude cyborg thingie: obviously, those abilities are of the body.
The "force" Deva Path powers: why would the logic stop here? It's a unique Kekei Ghenkai to Yohiko.
Etc.
"He who controls the rinnegan is a master of all six Pein's techniques".
Can't get much clearer than that.
Originally posted by King Kandy
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/449/01/"He who controls the rinnegan is a master of all six Pein's techniques".
Can't get much clearer than that.
1. It's quite clear that it was a saying/myth, not a statement of his power.
2. The 6th paths happened to be real entites of people with abilities that carried over from their actual "alive" selves.
3. It's also quite clear that it was saying that he was master over the 6 paths, meaning, he is literally the controller of the very real and physical 6th paths: actual bodies.
However, I concede that point beceause he is seen using the "force." smilie
Still doesn't change the fact that Pain goes down faster than a crack ho, if Jiraiya knew of his "secret."
It is still up to you guys to prove that Pain can react within seconds of someone entering his rain. Can Pain discern what it is, within 2-3 seconds? Can he discern it to the point of being able to move out of the way? That was never shown. Since canon has Jiraiya beating Pain, we can only assume in favor for Jiraiya beating Pain.
Again, that was just one scripted way he could beat Pain. There's always the ground...n'stuff.
Originally posted by dadudemon😕 He can react faster than Jiraiya can. That much is pretty clear with Jiraiya being tooled in h2h. And as for falling giant toads, yea pretty simple to just Shinra Tensei them. Won't be hard to do. Statements doesn't make something true. Vegeta would be the strongest. Freeza would be the strongest. Jiraiya would be able to beat Kisame, Pain, and Itachi all at once. There are so many statements made in manga that doesn't mean they are true. It's just statements without facts. Nothing Jiraiya showed, going all out, proves he can win.
It is still up to you guys to prove that Pain can react within seconds of someone entering his rain. Can Pain discern what it is, within 2-3 seconds? Can he discern it to the point of being able to move out of the way? That was never shown. Since canon has Jiraiya beating Pain, we can only assume in favor for Jiraiya beating Pain.Again, that was just one scripted way he could beat Pain. There's always the ground...n'stuff.
Originally posted by Kento
😕 He can react faster than Jiraiya can. That much is pretty clear with Jiraiya being tooled in h2h. And as for falling giant toads, yea pretty simple to just Shinra Tensei them. Won't be hard to do. Statements doesn't make something true. Vegeta would be the strongest. Freeza would be the strongest. Jiraiya would be able to beat Kisame, Pain, and Itachi all at once. There are so many statements made in manga that doesn't mean they are true. It's just statements without facts. Nothing Jiraiya showed, going all out, proves he can win.
He didn't react faster, per se. He did have him on ninjutsu beacuse Jiraiya was being viewed from all angles.
Reaction speed, I'd still give it to Jiraiya.
Originally posted by dadudemonHuman realm blocked his punches quite easily. He'd have to have at least the same reaction time if not faster to do it so easily. Just being able to see it wouldn't do it.
He didn't react faster, per se. He did have him on ninjutsu beacuse Jiraiya was being viewed from all angles.Reaction speed, I'd still give it to Jiraiya.