Jiraiya Vs. Pein, the rematch

Originally posted by King Kandy
No... we know that the kyuubi's chakra was able to not only resist Pein, but actually it was projected into Nagato instead of the other way around where Pein's Rinnegan chakra is projected into him... Jiraiya simply cannot duplicate that feat, and we know this for a fact because he was unable to stop the rod-swords from projected rinnegan chakra into him.

T-that's not canon, dude. And, it wasn't his "kyuubi chakra", it was Naruto's will power and rage. His rage brought the Kyuubi chakra to the surface.

You can't just randomly add huge plot altering events to the manga to make a point. Stick with the truth.

And, the feat is willpower, not projecting Kyuubi chakra into someone.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, i'm saying that Amegakure is mostly narrow towers, and these towers literally do not have enough width to fit a frog of bunta's size within them, regardless of where he enters. Nagato is inside of the buildings.

That's so weird. Why is Jiraiya sending giant toads IN to the city, at all? Read my posts, again.

Here, let me explain:

Jiraiya sneaks about in regular sized frogs.

Does that clear things up?

Originally posted by King Kandy
But all of these methods fail due to the fact that Nagato himself possesses power equal to the pein bodies.... Jiraiya can't permanently stop the bodies while Nagato remains alive because he has the same powers that can revive the bodies.

And magically, all of the bodies teleport into Nagato's hidey-hole, right? Oh, right, they don't. On top of that, Nagato can't revive the bodies if he is already dead.... 😬

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not really... the point is that Jiraiya has no way of killing Nagato due to having to get rid of the bodies first.

No, what I said.

The point is Jiraiya doesn't have to kill any of the bodies in order to kill pain. He just has to kill Pain himself. The bodies become useless corpses, after that.

Killing most of the bodies is easy, however.

Originally posted by Kento
Look what happened to Gamabunta. lol

True....but that was out in the open when Pain was ready.

How is Pain going to stop him from falling on him when he isn't aware of him until he is within a few feet of him?

Originally posted by dadudemon
True....but that was out in the open when Pain was ready.

How is Pain going to stop him from falling on him when he isn't aware of him until he is within a few feet of him?

Originally posted by Kento
I'm pretty sure it would be a lot more than just a few feet from him when he notices a giant large shadow, and shape falling. Not to mention how does that stop them from being repelled be it a few feet or more?

How is he supposed to see a shadow when he's hiding like a punk b*tch in a building? awesome

And, he'd notice that he was there because he'd finally recognize, with his rain, that a giant ass toad is about to fall on him. But, no Deva pain to the rescue.

And, if you claim that Pain can use the "force" in his real body....you have to prove it. I can't prove that he can't use it in that body except for the fact that he never used it or did it in any other body except for Deva Path's body.

Originally posted by yungz22
i think he would have taken out five of them but god realm would finish it

so if pain were smart....

god realm could only do the big gravity shit when nagato stopped transmitting chackra to the other realms, so to beat jiraya he only really needs god realm, asura realm, and hungry ghost to maximize offense and defense.

if that fails (somehow), nagato can just use animal realm to summon hell realm and human realm. animal realm stalemated jiraya for a long time alone, long enough for hell realm to res the other realms.

jiraya is perma-phucked 😬

Originally posted by dadudemon
T-that's not canon, dude. And, it wasn't his "kyuubi chakra", it was Naruto's will power and rage. His rage brought the Kyuubi chakra to the surface.

You can't just randomly add huge plot altering events to the manga to make a point. Stick with the truth.

And, the feat is willpower, not projecting Kyuubi chakra into someone.

So basically you're arguing that it was Naruto's "willpower" that caused Nagato to succumb to Kyuubi's chakra, but that somehow the chakra itself was not present? I guess it was Nagato's will as well that causes the rinnegan to appear when people as stabbed, and not the fact that his chakra is transmitted through the rods? Artistically they both appeared the exact same way except the affected character was reversed, but chakra only was used in one of these instants?

And beyond all that, it's irrelevant because when Jiraiya was stabbed, he COULD NOT overcome the chakra disruption. So obviously the same thing would happen in this case.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's so weird. Why is Jiraiya sending giant toads IN to the city, at all? Read my posts, again.

Here, let me explain:

Jiraiya sneaks about in regular sized frogs.

Does that clear things up?

Originally posted by dadudemon
And magically, all of the bodies teleport into Nagato's hidey-hole, right? Oh, right, they don't. On top of that, Nagato can't revive the bodies if he is already dead.... 😬

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, what I said.

The point is Jiraiya doesn't have to kill any of the bodies in order to kill pain. He just has to kill Pain himself. The bodies become useless corpses, after that.

Killing most of the bodies is easy, however.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not canon? It happened in the manga, which is the source of canon material...

So basically you're arguing that it was Naruto's "willpower" that caused Nagato to succumb to Kyuubi's chakra, but that somehow the chakra itself was not present? I guess it was Nagato's will as well that causes the rinnegan to appear when people as stabbed, and not the fact that his chakra is transmitted through the rods? Artistically they both appeared the exact same way except the affected character was reversed, but chakra only was used in one of these instants?

And beyond all that, it's irrelevant because when Jiraiya was stabbed, he COULD NOT overcome the chakra disruption. So obviously the same thing would happen in this case.

You misunderstood. I'm saying he cannot drop giant toads on Nagato because they won't fit.

The bodies know where Nagato is, and Jiraiya does not, but you believe that Jiraiya will be able to get there before the bodies? And on top of that, Nagato has Konan to protect him.

He may be able to kill the bodies, but Nagato can just bring them back. Meanwhile Jiraiya has no means of killing Nagato. He couldn't deal with the bodies, so how will he beat someone who has the powers of all six?

I'm done with this. I didn't even read your post (not because I don't like you, or something silly) because it's not worth my time. What I said was the most correct. Anything that contradicts that is wrong or not quite as correct as what I said. Yes, I am serious.

If I get bored tomorrow, I might read your reply.

Wow, turn down the douchebag meter, k?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Wow, turn down the douchebag meter, k?

Personally i think this fight could go both ways...if you know about pein and all the bodies he is way easier to fight...while many scenarios can be built as to how pein can be beaten the same can be said about jiraiya..... just quit the pein fanboyism and accept it i mean come on rock lee is my favorite character but you dont see me saying he could win in every fight

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, if you claim that Pain can use the "force" in his real body....you have to prove it. I can't prove that he can't use it in that body except for the fact that he never used it or did it in any other body except for Deva Path's body.

Originally posted by yungz22
Personally i think this fight could go both ways...if you know about pein and all the bodies he is way easier to fight...while many scenarios can be built as to how pein can be beaten the same can be said about jiraiya..... just quit the pein fanboyism and accept it i mean come on rock lee is my favorite character but you dont see me saying he could win in every fight

Originally posted by Kento
😬 It's his chakra, and the bodies don't have those abilities before he puppets them. I seriously doubt eyes that can create any move only can use them in puppet bodies. And if all else fails he can still rip out Jiraiya's soul.

I like Jiraiya better but neither are even in my top 5, maybe not even top 10 favorite characters.

Originally posted by yungz22
im telling you that the kyubbi behind nagato was to symbolize naruto's willpower.....that form of kyubbi naruto was in isnt even really that strong against decent opponents so that is def not what caused him to resist it was his extreme willpower which has proven time and time again cannot be beaten

Originally posted by King Kandy
Whether you think it was kyuubi chakra or not, Jiraiya was unable to duplicate that feat when he was stabbed.

had jiraiya been stabbed in the same spot as naruto then you can compare the two.

Originally posted by yungz22
jiraiya only had one arm he was stabbed making that feat void. what you are trying to say makes no sense its just like saying sasuke can use amaterasu without having a sharingan....we both know thats impossible.

had jiraiya been stabbed in the same spot as naruto then you can compare the two.

Well Pein still wins. Jiraiya can't sneak around forever and the moment he comes out of hiding all six will be ready to ambush him. Even if he found Nagato first, he would still have to navigate through the towers and still worry about all the other paths gathering for an attack. Jiraiya is still screwed but at least he has some hope this time.

Originally posted by King Kandy
WTF kind of sense does that make? I'm not saying Jiraiya couldn't pull it out! I'm saying that even WITHOUT pulling it out, Naruto was able to resist it's effects, while Jiraiya couldn't.

peins biggest weakness is his secret. if he knows the abilities of all the bodies i think he could win...but based on the scenario youve given i think he can only get up same point naruto was at right before hinata got injured

Originally posted by yungz22
like i sai when jiraiya was hit his arm was blown off and idk bout you but when an arm is broken you do lose overall strength both physical and mental.... all im saying is when comparing feats you have to take in each persons physical condition at the time.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And Naruto had just been impaled by a big rod much larger than the one that pierced Jiraiya... Neither one has a handicap here, and Jiraiya showed that the only time he was pierced, far away from Nagato, he could not resist it... but somehow when in close range, this is supposed to indicate he can? What sense does that make?

how is this longer than -
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/03/

this- http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/01/

also it doesnt matter how far they are they were both stabbed by chakra disrupters