Superman Vs Wonderwoman

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
At any rate, in answer to your question, Mnemon is light enough to sit on a table for a good portion of the issue, and that's exactly what Flash does with it, put it on the JLA desktop conference table:

😂

Its outer shell which protected the black hole from getting out wasn't breached.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I will remind that I was asked to provide some strength feats for Wondy. This is one of them, commonly overlooked.
Potentially the best, visually, though obviously the earth-pull shown earlier involves more mass.
Later on, I will show that this does not, though some people might be shocked to discover, represent the high end of what she USED to do in her past, and yes, I am talking about pre-Crisis Wonder Woman, who also had some skirmishes with Superman back in the day, most of which should be given some treatment before this thread is through.

Scan 2. The LUNATIC battle against the White Martians, final plan enacted ...


You're not good at this at all. At least crop such images which nobody has seen yet. That scan has been seen by pretty much everyone on internet. Phail.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
At any rate, if we are to have an honest discussion, it can't be ONLY the shots that show Wonder Woman compromised that get shown in a forum.

She attacked him from behind when he was choking bruce out. You can clearly see how much that scene is relevant when superman can't break batman's neck.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Regarding Superman holding Diana for Max at the beginning of Sacrifice ...

If we're going to take into consideration motivations, even as you contend pain made Diana act in ways she might not normally, then we should consider things from BOTH sides.

You assert Superman holds Diana for Max.
That's true enough, but by this time Diana wants to find out what is going on. Everyone in the JLA wants to know what is happening to Superman and wants to get to the bottom of what is making him act so crazy. A LONG term solution. Stopping him from acting weird before didn't help. Diana knows she needs more information to get a permanent solution. Max is providing it.
Does it make sense to try to clock him before learning what is going on?

Regardless, it's also important to note what happened immediately prior. Was Superman stopped from finishing off Batman by sound reasoning?


Batman survives heat vision and we're talking about how much this writer knows about superman's powers.🙄

Terror Incognita is a storyline that bears re-examining.

Recall that another poster or two mentioned upgrades to Wonder Woman? Well, this one is a proof of it. The plotline of Terror Incognita is that the White Martians, previously seen at the very beginning of the JLA run as Hyperclan, have managed to enact a program that effectively removes all oxygen from Earth. The idea is that, if you remove oxygen, you eliminate the ability to create fire, a Martians only true weakness. This would effectively leave the group of 70 White Martians, each a powerful mountain-mover in the class of beings like Shazam (Captain Marvel), with a planetary fortress from which they would be invincible.

The only obstacle is the JLA, whom the White Martians try to engage on the moon after they reverse the effects of the oxygen binding, or whatever it is, saving Earth's people. But somehow, the JLA manages to get the White Martians to fight themselves!

The upgrade can be seen here.

Wonder Woman, in space, without an air mask.

Recall that, in the first engagement with the White Martians, she managed to knock out the martian called Primaid BY HOLDING HER BREATH LONGER THAN PRIMAID.

A matter of a few moments? Here the White Martians require no air, not on Earth, not on the moon, apparently not even in space.

This time Wonder Woman doesn't either.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The upgrade can be seen here.

Wonder Woman, in space, without an air mask.

Recall that, in the first engagement with the White Martians, she managed to knock out the martian called Primaid BY HOLDING HER BREATH LONGER THAN PRIMAID.

A matter of a few moments? Here the White Martians require no air, not on Earth, not on the moon, apparently not even in space.

This time Wonder Woman doesn't either.


facepalm
They took moon under the atmosphere of earth in a few moments, I think she can hold her breath for that long.

Here she does.

From JLA 112 or 113 IIRC.

JLA. Terror Incognita.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Exactly! The fight was not near the sun but entirely on Earth.
It LOOKS like the sun in the background, but is, instead, a light effect to communicate impact force.

Salsa, have you yet read the Interview Greg Rucka gave concerning Sacrifice? It was given a month BEFORE that "I wanted Doomsday to suffer" magazine was released.

Retcons aside, level with me, if you've read that interview,
do YOU truly believe Rucka originally intended to show Clark still holding back?

Yes, but in this case it was stated that they are going to the sun, and they draw a sun.

I have read the interview and yes Originally Diana faced an almost not holding back sm for 1 min and 20 sec, since apparently on his eyes she cannot survive inside the sun, he needed to justify superman not killing ww by sending her back to earth.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Salsa,

If you have the time, I'd be interested in seeing some of the scenes you're talking about in this "Scary Monsters" arc. I've only seen the cover and maybe one or two images of Wonder Woman herself as some kind of purple monster. A review says she throws or drops a cliff on Batman trying to hit him?

Anyway, if you have the time, that would be appreciated.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/Super%20vision/JLA-ScaryMonsters3kebbin03MOLECULARLEVEL.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/POWER%20DISPLAY%20VS%20MAGICK/JLA-ScaryMonsters3kebbin10VSSCARYMONSTERS.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/POWER%20DISPLAY%20VS%20MAGICK/JLA-ScaryMonsters3kebbin09VSSCARYMONSTERS.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/POWER%20DISPLAY%20VS%20MAGICK/JLA-ScaryMonsters3kebbin08VSSCARYMONSTERS.jpg

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http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/POWER%20DISPLAY%20VS%20MAGICK/JLA-ScaryMonsters2kebbin20VSSCARYMONSTERS.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/POWER%20DISPLAY%20VS%20MAGICK/JLA-ScaryMonsters2kebbin19VSSCARYMONSTERS.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/POWER%20DISPLAY%20VS%20MAGICK/JLA-ScaryMonsters2kebbin18VSSCARYMONSTERS.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/POWER%20DISPLAY%20VS%20MAGICK/JLA-ScaryMonsters2kebbin17VSSCARYMONSTERS.jpg

others lasted a lot less

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/Compare/JLA-ScaryMonsters3kebbin19COMPARESCARYMONSTERSVSMMH.jpg

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and she is supposed to be better vs magic

Originally posted by biensalsa
Yes, but in this case it was stated that they are going to the sun, and they draw a sun.

I have read the interview and yes Originally Diana faced an almost not holding back sm for 1 min and 20 sec, since apparently on his eyes she cannot survive inside the sun, he needed to justify superman not killing ww by sending her back to earth.

You've got it bad, my friend ....

Thank you for answering that directly though.

Here, there's a chance you might enjoy the following ...

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 06:33 AM

superlurker said:

Alright, everyone should know, as an entry requirement, that I loathe and ridicule all the conspiracy theories about stuff like the postponement of JLA/Avengers #4 or why Quesada does this or that.

However, without further commentary, I shall now present my first ever, brand new, totally original superlurker Conspiracy Theory. Point by point, so it'll be easy to follow. I imagine it'll be quite a revelation for most of you.

1. Rucka is the writer of Wonder Woman.

1a. Rucka does a pretty good job of writing Wonder Woman.

2. Rucka is the writer of Adventures of Superman.

2a. Rucka writes a pretty mediocre and boring Superman.

3. Rucka is a rabid, frothing feminist and a total gender traitor.

4. Rucka seems to think that women can beat up men.

5. Rucka thinks Wonder Woman would beat Superman in a fight.

6. When asked to clarify what he meant, Rucka issued more evasive maneuvers than the Enterprise did over the course of all its fights with the Borg Collective. Make that all Enterprises, just to be on the safe side.

7. Rucka is no doubt hamstrung in his fervent desire to see Wonder Woman dominate Superman in his fight by DC Editorial Policy.

8. Rucka must have been frustrated when he saw how Superman treated Wonder Woman in their bouts in Superman/Batman and Superman.

9. In fact, Rucka must have been rabid and frothing when he saw that, like the total gender traitor he is.

10. Rucka must have plotted and schemed to find a way to contradict those examples.

11. I submit that Rucka must have gone to some Versus boards, where he discovered ABC logic, which is a step up from what that rabid, frothing, total gender traitor normally employs.

12. Having so discovered ABC logic, Rucka must have spent many hours one day drawing up a complex (for him, being the rabid, frothing, total gender traitor that he is) diagram.

13. It must've looked something like this:

Wanndderr WOMAN > Vrooooom > superman

14. Thus equipped, Rucka set out to write his story, wherein he very cunningly (or so he thought; rabid, frothing, total gender traitors can't be very cunning, given that they're rabid) inserted the remark that Zoom hit Wonder Woman harder than Superman has.

15. Rucka must thus have thought that readers would immediately recognize this as meaning several different things; that Wonder Woman could easily handle a punch harder than Superman's hardest punch, being the total badass that she is, and that a fight between the two would thus be a foregone conclusion, since Superman's hardest punches would have no effect on Wonder Woman's wondrous jaw.

16. Yes, that's what I submit. Rucka inserted a stray line about Zoom's punching power exceeding Superman's just to create ABC precedence for Wonder Woman being able to beat up Superman.

17. With these comments in mind, it becomes all the much more clear that Rucka's Adventures of Superman run is really an insidious attempt to undermine Superman, by writing him as some weak, mewling, spineless, boring, meek, prattling, undecisive, stupid, and witless caricature of Superman.

18. At the same time, Rucka seeks to build Wonder Woman up, by endowing her with all the opposite qualities of those listed for Superman in item #17.

19. Now, who is behind all this? It can't be Rucka, since he's a rabid, frothing, total gender traitor. No doubt, he's probably kept chained, gagged, and caged in some cold, dark, and lonely cellar by some monstrous feminist dominatrix, only to be let out to write comics according to her bidding.

20. So, the only conclusion we can draw is that the people behind the 'Zoom punches harder than Superman' thing must've been a vast feminist conspiracy, out to denigrate one of the world's foremost icons of masculinity, by having his character raped by a chick in a bathing suit. If they can't yet do that literally, then figuratively. But they no doubt eagerly await the day when they can fulfill their petty feminist power fantasies in a totally literal fashion.

We must put a stop to this vast feminist conspiracy that no doubt seeks to dominate the world. Let's all write letters to DC, demanding that they strike the comment that Zoom punches harder than Superman from the TPB, and instead have Wonder Woman give us a comment about how women belong in the kitchen.

Originally posted by biensalsa

and she is supposed to be better vs magic ...

She probably is, just not in THAT storyline.

Hey, thanks a lot Salsa -- I don't know how fast you are, but I know it would have taken ME conderable time to post what you just delivered.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You've got it bad, my friend ....

Thank you for answering that directly though.

Here, there's a chance you might enjoy the following ...

(I don't really know how to "quote" in this message board without somebody having first written something TO me via KMC, so please understand this is not my material but from a poster on a Wolverine versus Batman forum, of all places, who calls himself Dark Knight ...

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 06:33 AM

superlurker said:

Alright, everyone should know, as an entry requirement, that I loathe and ridicule all the conspiracy theories about stuff like the postponement of JLA/Avengers #4 or why Quesada does this or that.

However, without further commentary, I shall now present my first ever, brand new, totally original superlurker Conspiracy Theory. Point by point, so it'll be easy to follow. I imagine it'll be quite a revelation for most of you.

1. Rucka is the writer of Wonder Woman.

1a. Rucka does a pretty good job of writing Wonder Woman.

2. Rucka is the writer of Adventures of Superman.

2a. Rucka writes a pretty mediocre and boring Superman.

3. Rucka is a rabid, frothing feminist and a total gender traitor.

4. Rucka seems to think that women can beat up men.

5. Rucka thinks Wonder Woman would beat Superman in a fight.

6. When asked to clarify what he meant, Rucka issued more evasive maneuvers than the Enterprise did over the course of all its fights with the Borg Collective. Make that all Enterprises, just to be on the safe side.

7. Rucka is no doubt hamstrung in his fervent desire to see Wonder Woman dominate Superman in his fight by DC Editorial Policy.

8. Rucka must have been frustrated when he saw how Superman treated Wonder Woman in their bouts in Superman/Batman and Superman.

9. In fact, Rucka must have been rabid and frothing when he saw that, like the total gender traitor he is.

10. Rucka must have plotted and schemed to find a way to contradict those examples.

11. I submit that Rucka must have gone to some Versus boards, where he discovered ABC logic, which is a step up from what that rabid, frothing, total gender traitor normally employs.

12. Having so discovered ABC logic, Rucka must have spent many hours one day drawing up a complex (for him, being the rabid, frothing, total gender traitor that he is) diagram.

13. It must've looked something like this:

Wanndderr WOMAN > Vrooooom > superman

14. Thus equipped, Rucka set out to write his story, wherein he very cunningly (or so he thought; rabid, frothing, total gender traitors can't be very cunning, given that they're rabid) inserted the remark that Zoom hit Wonder Woman harder than Superman has.

15. Rucka must thus have thought that readers would immediately recognize this as meaning several different things; that Wonder Woman could easily handle a punch harder than Superman's hardest punch, being the total badass that she is, and that a fight between the two would thus be a foregone conclusion, since Superman's hardest punches would have no effect on Wonder Woman's wondrous jaw.

16. Yes, that's what I submit. Rucka inserted a stray line about Zoom's punching power exceeding Superman's just to create ABC precedence for Wonder Woman being able to beat up Superman.

17. With these comments in mind, it becomes all the much more clear that Rucka's Adventures of Superman run is really an insidious attempt to undermine Superman, by writing him as some weak, mewling, spineless, boring, meek, prattling, undecisive, stupid, and witless caricature of Superman.

18. At the same time, Rucka seeks to build Wonder Woman up, by endowing her with all the opposite qualities of those listed for Superman in item #17.

19. Now, who is behind all this? It can't be Rucka, since he's a rabid, frothing, total gender traitor. No doubt, he's probably kept chained, gagged, and caged in some cold, dark, and lonely cellar by some monstrous feminist dominatrix, only to be let out to write comics according to her bidding.

20. So, the only conclusion we can draw is that the people behind the 'Zoom punches harder than Superman' thing must've been a vast feminist conspiracy, out to denigrate one of the world's foremost icons of masculinity, by having his character raped by a chick in a bathing suit. If they can't yet do that literally, then figuratively. But they no doubt eagerly await the day when they can fulfill their petty feminist power fantasies in a totally literal fashion.

We must put a stop to this vast feminist conspiracy that no doubt seeks to dominate the world. Let's all write letters to DC, demanding that they strike the comment that Zoom punches harder than Superman from the TPB, and instead have Wonder Woman give us a comment about how women belong in the kitchen.


🤨

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
She probably is, just not in THAT storyline.

Hey, thanks a lot Salsa -- I don't know how fast you are, but I know it would have taken ME conderable time to post what you just delivered.


😂

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
She probably is, just not in THAT storyline.

Hey, thanks a lot Salsa -- I don't know how fast you are, but I know it would have taken ME conderable time to post what you just delivered.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman survives magical attacks from disciple which not even diana and zauriel could survive

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You've got it bad, my friend ....

Thank you for answering that directly though.

Here, there's a chance you might enjoy the following ...

(I don't really know how to "quote" in this message board without somebody having first written something TO me via KMC, so please understand this is not my material but from a poster on a Wolverine versus Batman forum, of all places, who calls himself Dark Knight ...

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 06:33 AM

superlurker said:

Alright, everyone should know, as an entry requirement, that I loathe and ridicule all the conspiracy theories about stuff like the postponement of JLA/Avengers #4 or why Quesada does this or that.

However, without further commentary, I shall now present my first ever, brand new, totally original superlurker Conspiracy Theory. Point by point, so it'll be easy to follow. I imagine it'll be quite a revelation for most of you.

1. Rucka is the writer of Wonder Woman.

1a. Rucka does a pretty good job of writing Wonder Woman.

2. Rucka is the writer of Adventures of Superman.

2a. Rucka writes a pretty mediocre and boring Superman.

3. Rucka is a rabid, frothing feminist and a total gender traitor.

4. Rucka seems to think that women can beat up men.

5. Rucka thinks Wonder Woman would beat Superman in a fight.

6. When asked to clarify what he meant, Rucka issued more evasive maneuvers than the Enterprise did over the course of all its fights with the Borg Collective. Make that all Enterprises, just to be on the safe side.

7. Rucka is no doubt hamstrung in his fervent desire to see Wonder Woman dominate Superman in his fight by DC Editorial Policy.

8. Rucka must have been frustrated when he saw how Superman treated Wonder Woman in their bouts in Superman/Batman and Superman.

9. In fact, Rucka must have been rabid and frothing when he saw that, like the total gender traitor he is.

10. Rucka must have plotted and schemed to find a way to contradict those examples.

11. I submit that Rucka must have gone to some Versus boards, where he discovered ABC logic, which is a step up from what that rabid, frothing, total gender traitor normally employs.

12. Having so discovered ABC logic, Rucka must have spent many hours one day drawing up a complex (for him, being the rabid, frothing, total gender traitor that he is) diagram.

13. It must've looked something like this:

Wanndderr WOMAN > Vrooooom > superman

14. Thus equipped, Rucka set out to write his story, wherein he very cunningly (or so he thought; rabid, frothing, total gender traitors can't be very cunning, given that they're rabid) inserted the remark that Zoom hit Wonder Woman harder than Superman has.

15. Rucka must thus have thought that readers would immediately recognize this as meaning several different things; that Wonder Woman could easily handle a punch harder than Superman's hardest punch, being the total badass that she is, and that a fight between the two would thus be a foregone conclusion, since Superman's hardest punches would have no effect on Wonder Woman's wondrous jaw.

16. Yes, that's what I submit. Rucka inserted a stray line about Zoom's punching power exceeding Superman's just to create ABC precedence for Wonder Woman being able to beat up Superman.

17. With these comments in mind, it becomes all the much more clear that Rucka's Adventures of Superman run is really an insidious attempt to undermine Superman, by writing him as some weak, mewling, spineless, boring, meek, prattling, undecisive, stupid, and witless caricature of Superman.

18. At the same time, Rucka seeks to build Wonder Woman up, by endowing her with all the opposite qualities of those listed for Superman in item #17.

19. Now, who is behind all this? It can't be Rucka, since he's a rabid, frothing, total gender traitor. No doubt, he's probably kept chained, gagged, and caged in some cold, dark, and lonely cellar by some monstrous feminist dominatrix, only to be let out to write comics according to her bidding.

20. So, the only conclusion we can draw is that the people behind the 'Zoom punches harder than Superman' thing must've been a vast feminist conspiracy, out to denigrate one of the world's foremost icons of masculinity, by having his character raped by a chick in a bathing suit. If they can't yet do that literally, then figuratively. But they no doubt eagerly await the day when they can fulfill their petty feminist power fantasies in a totally literal fashion.

We must put a stop to this vast feminist conspiracy that no doubt seeks to dominate the world. Let's all write letters to DC, demanding that they strike the comment that Zoom punches harder than Superman from the TPB, and instead have Wonder Woman give us a comment about how women belong in the kitchen.

That is quite funny, however Rucka does not write that bad Superman most of the time.

He kind of makes him seem like a subjugated husband full of insecurities completely different from his take on women who he portrays as very secure.

However, I don't think he had any hidden agenda vs superman.

On his point of view women have a stronger character than men, I understand that, maybe his wife is the one in charge on his house, maybe He just admires women , because He had a good role model on his mom, who knows, fact is that on his take women are more secure than men, women can face anything, while men are full of insecurities and men need to be saved from danger.

Case in point

However it does not chenge the fact that Superman almost killed Wonder Woman in a minute and 20 seconds and he had to send WW back to earth in order to make a 20 page comic book.

I wonder what could have happened if the sun didn't dodge Diana and Superman did not decided to make DD suffer. why did he gave sm so many handicaps if he is trully weaker then Diana?

About the "paper weight", come on! paper weights do not collapse reality into themselves.

and I can post scans fast because I already have them ready and separated (well most of them)

Again, i will recomend you to read more Superman comics.

You were still thinking that a small ring chunk of kryptonite will stop superman on his tracks that has changed a lot.

I do not know if You are aware but Superman has 2 OFFICIAL power ups since the byrne era. This are OFFICIAL

Oh! one more thing, Superman also endured magic better than Zauriel an Wonder Woman in the primeval arc but that I think it was 2001.

So scary mosnters is not an isolated incident

I just noticed Abhi just posted the Primeval scans

This thread has gotten kind of weird.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This thread has gotten kind of weird.

It's a very special one, yes.

It's also a very popular one.

It'd be best to simply think of it discussing not only "things" but the "meaning" of things.

The pure "things" discussion is the overt question posed by whoever originally started this thread.
The "meaning" of things discussion is happening in parallel.

It is arguably the more interesting debate and biensalsa has been one of its best proponents, followed by P.R.

It might be a good idea for you to simply start from the beginning of the thread and read on through, though, Neme. A lot of things are explained that you've missed.

For instance, you would not only find Superboy Prime mentioned by me, whom you asked about,
but you would also find where I actually place him, in terms of physical strength, in relation to 2003-2011 Superman and Wonder Woman.

You would find fan-pleasing "Easter Eggs" like the famous Superman punch of JLU's "Destroyer" episode.

And you would gradually find, largely missing from the first 2 YEARS this thread had been around, topics like:

WHAT engagements Superman and Wonder Woman actually had starting to get listed,
and WHAT the result was,
HOW it took place,
WHY,
and WHO was involved,
both in terms of 3rd parties in the stories themselves,
and DC's own creative staff.

I won't hesitate to say I've been probably the biggest supplier of the last, even as BienSalsa has been the biggest supplier of scans in terms of volume, for I've carefully citing just about every entry I've placed here with reference information, something I saw lacking from both this thread for the 2 years till I started participating, and most KMC threads in general.

Re: Superman Vs Wonderwoman

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
so anyone know the exact score on wins and losses they have to each other. I know the two have fought on several occassions but I have trouble getting my hands on the issues where they do fight. also some of the links on the WonderWoman respect thread are broken 🙁

Post-Crisis On Infinite Earths

-- "Odyssey", Wonder Woman #611, Volume 4

-- "Sacrifice", Wonder Woman #219, Volume 2, Greg Rucka
Wonder Woman win, Superman loss

-- "For Tomorrow", Superman #211, Volume 2, Brian Azzarello
Draw; broken off by Superman asking Diana to save people from his fortress being destroyed, and Diana complying

-- Superman Batman #15, Volume 1, Jeph Loeb

Pre-Crisis On Infinite Earths

-- "Family Crisis, Part 2: Battlegrounds", Justice League of America #232, Volume 1 written by Kurt Busiek
Wonder Woman win, Superman loss.
Note that Superman was brainwashed.

-- "Crisis on Earth Prime", Justice League of America #207, Volume 1
Diana, but not Wonder Woman, Diana of the Amazons of Earth-3.
Judging from Justice League of America #29 and #30, Volume 1, the exact physical match of Wonder Woman, but on the side of the CSA.

"Wonder Woman" win, Superman loss.
Precursor mirror of Rucka's "Sacrifice"

-- "Superman versus Wonder Woman" (1978?)
Draw, broken off to deal with main villain of story.
Noteworthy: Set on Earth-2 and thus involving, theoretically, the "original" Superman and Wonder Woman

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Post-Crisis On Infinite Earths

-- "Odyssey", Wonder Woman #611, Volume 4

-- "Sacrifice", Wonder Woman #219, Volume 2, Greg Rucka
Wonder Woman win, Superman loss

-- "For Tomorrow", Superman #211, Volume 2, Brian Azzarello
Draw; broken off by Superman asking Diana to save people from his fortress being destroyed, and Diana complying

-- Superman Batman #15, Volume 1, Jeph Loeb

Pre-Crisis On Infinite Earths

-- "Family Crisis, Part 2: Battlegrounds", Justice League of America #232, Volume 1 written by Kurt Busiek
Wonder Woman win, Superman loss.
Note that Superman was brainwashed.

-- "Crisis on Earth Prime", Justice League of America #207, Volume 1
Diana, but not Wonder Woman, Diana of the Amazons of Earth-3.
Judging from Justice League of America #29 and #30, Volume 1, the exact physical match of Wonder Woman, but on the side of the CSA.

"Wonder Woman" win, Superman loss.
Precursor mirror of Rucka's "Sacrifice"

-- "Superman versus Wonder Woman" (1978?)
Draw, broken off to deal with main villain of story.
Noteworthy: Set on Earth-2 and thus involving, theoretically, the "original" Superman and Wonder Woman


Final crisis 6: Superman one shots wonder woman while not even attacking her.
Wonder woman 611 was a future vision. If we count visions and hallucinations then superman killed her alongside every hero on earth in AOS 494. Sacrifice was a draw. Superman broke the neck of wonder woman in S/B 15. Superman 211, bitchslapping wonder woman casually without wanting to fight. With the help of supergirl in JLA 232, suckershot by superwoman and later Superwoman koed by a pressure wave created by aquaman and a vastly weakened ultraman slamming in her who superman stomped in two punches while weakened by kryptonite.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Superman almost killed Wonder Woman in a minute and 20 seconds and he had to send WW back to earth in order to make a 20 page comic book.

I wonder what could have happened if the sun didn't dodge Diana and Superman did not decided to make DD suffer. why did he gave sm so many handicaps if he is trully weaker then Diana?

I agree that Superman posed a VERY serious threat to Diana's life in Sacrifice.

I do not agree that Superman consciously or subconsciously chose to send Wonder Woman back to Earth. Rucka's interview, given the month BEFORE your "wanted Doomsday to suffer" was released contradicts that idea completely.

The most logical explanation to me is that one of the artists made a mistake. Only one feature of one panel would have to be amiss to create the problem you suggest, and with a team of five different pencillers mentioned in the credits for this book, that doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all.
The presence of other singularities with artwork and dialogue, some of which I mentioned previously, make this seem even more likely.

If you want to say that RUCKA had to send Wonder Woman back to Earth in order to make a 20 page comic book, I might agree with you, for the whole idea was that the fight had to be desperate, and what better way to make it so than to have a murderous, maniacally enraged, and then suncharged Kryptonian take you to ol Sol's "Welcome" mat?

But I wouldn't believe Rucka intended Superman to have any conscious or subconscious agency for sending that fight back to Earth unless Rucka himself told me so after that interview.

Random chance? Sure.
Superman decision? No.

Beyond the mind control, I'm wondering what you consider the weakness of Superman to be.
On the other hand, I don't claim to know how strong Greg Rucka thinks Wonder Woman is in relation to Superman.
I only say that the evidence supports that she IS stronger than him under normal conditions, and that Rucka's "Sacrifice" in no way contradicts that.

As to why give him handicaps, they help to establish just how murderously intent Superman is, how serious the threat, how there is no saving grace of Superman "holding back" against her in any way, in fact he is MORE physically powerful than he "truly" is under Earth Standard conditions, from 2 sources, and that this is going to be the battle of Wonder Woman's life.

As mentioned before, it paid off. The sales for Sacrifice eclipse everything I know off save Wonder Woman #1, Volume 3, in Wonder Woman's own title, and that in a window of several YEARS.
It was probably almost single-handedly responsible for the rise of the respect threads you see for Wonder Woman, but is certainly the reason she is taken seriously now in most "versus" debate threads; not the case for the period P.R mentions, the time before my reading, at least from everything I've been told and understand.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I only say that the evidence supports that she IS stronger than him under normal conditions, and that Rucka's "Sacrifice" in no way contradicts that.

What evidence?

Originally posted by -Pr-
What evidence?

You didn't noticed, cropped images of wonder woman moving moon alone.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13808259