bluewaterrider
Senior Member
Originally posted by -Pr-
Rucka admitted himself that the Superman that Diana fought in Sacrifice wasn't nearly operating at his best.
In terms of mental clarity, I do not significantly dispute you.
Short of Our Worlds at War, however, please show me a time, post-Crisis, where Superman was ever physically stronger than the lunatic Diana fights in Wonder Woman 219 -- or ever had reason to be.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Most of the DC movies have been pretty bad to Superman though in terms of how they treat him; in that movie you just mentioned, they removed the Superman/Darkseid fight for the most part to give Supergirl more of a role.
If I still have them on my hard drive, I'll post some images of the Darkseid fight you're talking about. It's a VERY relevant parallel to Sacrifice, justs as Man of Tomorrow 13 is.
If you want to go that route, though, in the original story arc by Loeb, Supergirl is enough of a threat that Superman HIMSELF uses Kryptonite against her. In the movie those scenes are absent.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the movies have never exactly been the most accurate representation of the comics.
Quite true, but they've also been very influential, and they generally enjoy far wider viewership. I imagine that will become ever more the case, given that DC was acquired by Warner Bros a few years ago.
Already the influences of other media can be seen in the comics that are Warner Bros traditional forte. For example villains from the cartoons, like Harley Quinn and Livewire have been co-opted, Harley becoming such a staple that she had her own comic for awhile. Relatively recent artists depictions have Superman alternately looking like Christoper Reeves and Tom Welling. In the DCNu, the characters all seem to have been de-aged from late 30s/early 40s to perhaps mid-20s, reflecting the ages of the casts chosen to play Superman and other JLA characters appearing in the recent Superman movies and Smallville.
P.R., the movies don't NEED to be an accurate representation of the comics when they start determining what we see in the comics.
For more and more they become one.
Notice, however, that much of this, perhaps most of this, has taken place in the last 10 years -- just AFTER the period of your "Our Worlds at War" series.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm sure there are people that would love for her to be Superman's equal in strength, but tbh she just doesn't have the feats, and it's kind of his niche, and always will be from what I can see. Batman's smart, Flash is fast, and Superman is strong.
I don't see where the reasoning for "it's his niche" is coming from.
Unlike, say, Marvel Comics Hulk, there is nothing I can see in Superman's actual story that says "strongest there is". Saves the day, nick of time, one to count on, doing what can't be done by others for the sake of others? Certainly. But that's also what other heroes about.
Note too, that many of the heroes surpass him in skills and power. Batman is a better tactician, shrewder, more resourceful, and, though they emphasize it less these days, generally, a better detective.
Flash is FASTER than Superman, not merely equal to him in Speed.
More and more you see Jonn Jonnz making claim to being Supes' equal in power, EDITOR Matt Idleson himself says Supergirl is now stronger; Captain Marvel has been credited with knockdown, knockout/rumbling advantage in toe-to-toe exchanges for as long as I can remember.
Yet what feats has someone like Captain Marvel to offer SAVE fight performance against Blue?
For the period I'm talking about, what you're saying doesn't seem to have much of a true basis. Not in terms of pure physical strength. Not on full examination. And certainly not if we're taking into account the LOW end of Superman showings, which most discussions in forums of this sort understandably do not.
