Thor vs. Superman: How close (or far) apart are they?

Originally posted by Allankles
Pfft! Darkseid's accomplishments pretty much put him over anyone you can mention in Thor's tank blast column.

Hell Supes has guys like Dominus (above skyfather) in his win column. The seven elder gods (put down the JLA), Asmodius, Blaze and Satanus, Braniac 13, Mageddon (above skyfather). Get real.

Superman also stalemates E2 Supes who threw a moon around like he was playing a game of dodge ball, and smashed asteroids together knocking the Anti Monitor back million miles.

With the exception of sheer speed, I can't see how anyone can claim Superman is Thor's vast superior or even noticeably more stronger. I don't even see how speed is Thor's downfall here considering:

A.) Thor has multiple refex showings (such as moving too fast for HEIMDALL to follow) to support him not being helpless against a foe with super speed.

B.) Thor has insane area of effect/splash damage attacks as well as omnidirectional methods of attacking.

C.) Superman doesn't use his speed very often in the manner that some posters would have others believe (which is CIS, not PIS).

Conversely, no one objective would believe that Thor just Godblasts Superman to hell or drain his lifeforce or (if you use Classic Thor) timefreezes. You can't use seldom or end-of-the-line techniques/abilities characters use and claim it's a sure thing that they would use them to support your case, yet deny someone of the opposite view the same.

The thing is Supes speed is not an end of the line ability, I mean he uses his speed for so many things, combat aside.

While life draining or timefreezing is as end of the line as T-vo or force vision or whatever imo.

Didn't Johns or DD say that they were discontinuing T-vo as a Superman ability?

I heard something to that effect but I don't know which party from DC mentioned it. But my point was simply that speed is pretty common for Supes whether he's owning a group of bad guys or just saving people from a disaster.

While stuff like timefreezing is probably as out there for Thor as Torquasm Rao and the other Kryptonian disciplines under that.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
With the exception of sheer speed, I can't see how anyone can claim Superman is Thor's vast superior or even noticeably more stronger. I don't even see how speed is Thor's downfall here considering:

A.) Thor has multiple refex showings (such as moving too fast for HEIMDALL to follow) to support him not being helpless against a foe with super speed.

B.) Thor has insane area of effect/splash damage attacks as well as omnidirectional methods of attacking.

C.) Superman doesn't use his speed very often in the manner that some posters would have others believe (which is CIS, not PIS).

Conversely, no one objective would believe that Thor just Godblasts Superman to hell or drain his lifeforce or (if you use Classic Thor) timefreezes. You can't use seldom or end-of-the-line techniques/abilities characters use and claim it's a sure thing that they would use them to support your case, yet deny someone of the opposite view the same.

Originally posted by Allankles
More skilled, as in MA abilities. Superman knows and displays several martial art skills from Kryptonian MA to orienatl martial arts. Also he outright uses his brain way more than Thor in fights or owtherwise.

Originally posted by Allankles
Pfft! Darkseid's accomplishments pretty much put him over anyone you can mention in Thor's tank blast column.

Hell Supes has guys like Dominus (above skyfather) in his win column. The seven elder gods (put down the JLA), Asmodius, Blaze and Satanus, Braniac 13, Mageddon (above skyfather). Get real.

Thor's defeat Meph in his own realm by the way. Yeah, I still don't see anywhere on here near Odin level at all.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Didn't Johns or DD say that they were discontinuing T-vo as a Superman ability?

T-vo shouldn't even be brought to the table, tbh. It's about as plot device of a power as some of early Mjolnir's powers, which at peak levels, was basically a plot device-ish weapon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said it doesn't exist anymore and I proved you wrong with a very recent comic which cites a long history of magical weakness which still exists today. Yeah rotiart even agrees you even contradict yourself in your own post.

Do you think Thor isn't fast enough to tag Superman if he uses speed?

The contradiction in my post was a reflection of the contradiction the writers provide us with, now think about this again.
Yeah tideoftime agrees with me, rotiart doesn't or partially that proves exactly what? dur except that their opinions are more valuable then yours?

How many monthly comics are there starring Superman? Though then again, DC has an reputation, they never contradict themselves and never did.

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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Though then again, DC has an reputation, they never contradict themselves and never did.

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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The contradiction in my post was a reflection of the contradiction the writers provide us with, now think about this again.
Yeah tideoftime agrees with me, rotiart doesn't or partially that proves exactly what? dur except that their opinions are more valuable then yours?

How many monthly comics are there starring Superman? Though then again, DC has an reputation, they never contradict themselves and never did.

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I gave you a recent example. I say it depends on the writer to the varying degrees it has on Superman but when has a writer stated it has no effect on Superman?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman is more durable, noticeably stronger and overwhelmingly faster. Thor wins if Superman doesn't use his speed/underestimates him and his vulnerability to magic is played up to a degree that he gets weakened enough for Thor to eventually fall him.

I can give you a thousand reasons on why blunt force wise, Thor>Supes. Stronger, if anyone appears stronger, its Thor.

Faster, I agree, Supes is faster than Thor.

^ Even then, I really can't see how Superman's speed, the way he generally uses it, is such an advantage against someone with Thor's reflexes and ability to lay down a wide arc of fire/area of effect blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah, I still don't see anywhere on here near Odin level at all.

I just mentioned a list of guys above skyfather, and Odin level translates to skyfather. Dominus and Mageddon both of them are abstracts, above skyfathers. Mageddon was an abstract sentient weapon made by the old gods, and Dominus was transformed into an abstract.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
^ Even then, I really can't see how Superman's speed, the way he generally uses it, is such an advantage against someone with Thor's reflexes and ability to lay down a wide arc of fire/area of effect blast.

Honestly, and this is me being honest, I'm not impressed by Thor speed feats even though he has them.

Superman have them also but he doesnt use them in the fashion people on the forum say that he does. With that said, THATS the reason I give Thor a CLEAR majority over Superman because yes, Superman does have the edge in speed BUT the way he uses it, Thor would still land some licks and some hard licks if you ask me.

I also think Superman is a hard hitter but Thor hammer shots is just so much more and again, I'm not even including Thors Versatility and power.

I'm also basing this off of the people that dropped Supes, and how easily they dropped him. Examples, Titus, Kalibak, Despero, and Konvikt (I could name more) where as we have thor fighting Kurse, Mangog, Super strong beings that is Celestial bred (when thor was inside of the Celestial and the Celestial created a being with unlimted strength etc....) and Thor kept fighting, even during sneak attacks.

Thor to me is just much more powerful and packs a stronger hit and the amount of blunt force that he can take is off the scales.

Originally posted by Allankles
I just mentioned a list of guys above skyfather, and Odin level translates to skyfather. Dominus and Mageddon both of them are abstracts, above skyfathers. Mageddon was an abstract sentient weapon made by the old gods, and Dominus was transformed into an abstract.

When did Superman fight Mageddon? Post the scan (unless you are referring to the blast he took).

Yes. Follow the thread.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Christ....

Again with the astronomically weaker without the hammer? What the heck is wrong with you...I've argued this countless times against you, and you without any evidence keep pushing this nonsense. I guess you don't believe me, but believe Thor as Thor said it best:

".....Thor has not [b]one hammer, merely----but three!"

And just to note, Thor went to utterly destroy that opponent (In three punches.). The same opponent who managed to hold his own against Thor to a near stalemate until he fell into the fires of his land. [/B]

I didn't mean physically weaker but just weaker in general. He can't fly, emit his more powerful blasts, bfr, transmute, dimensional travel, etc. without his hammer. He is just a brick (a good one though) without it.

without his hammer he can still fly superman pose flight. 😐

he also has thunder and lightning in his fist that shoot out or are released upon impact... he also can bear hug and release an incinerated god energy blast

Originally posted by Blanket
Exactly.

If Superman is at his absolute best, and Thor is at his absolute worst, then Superman can win... only then though.

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Such a bias and nonsensical response. Don't worry you are not the number 1 bias member here. But you are close.

If Superman moves 5ft before Thor can move 2in then how can Thor defend? Speed kills Thor. Thor can fight at his best and still not get a chance to attack.

Give Thor at least 70% of Superman's speed and he win then win a majority.

Originally posted by h1a8
Such a bias and nonsensical response. Don't worry you are not the number 1 bias member here. But you are close.

If Superman moves 5ft before Thor can move 2in then how can Thor defend? Speed kills Thor. Thor can fight at his best and still not get a chance to attack.

Give Thor at least 70% of Superman's speed and he win then win a majority.

It makes me wonder if your IQ is above average like previously mentioned. Wait, it's not. You're completely and mindlessly crazy.