Thor vs. Superman: How close (or far) apart are they?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
without his hammer he can still fly superman pose flight. 😐

he also has thunder and lightning in his fist that shoot out or are released upon impact... he also can bear hug and release an incinerated god energy blast

Thor can't fly without his hammer. The lightning coming out of his fist is rare and might not count as it happened only once. Also the lightning summoned from Mjolnir is astronomically more powerful. As is the blasts that Thor can emit vs. the bear hug blast.

So the myth Thor is helpless without his hammer rears its head again, eh?

Thor's power is innate. It's his divinity and godhood that fuels most, if not all, of his exotic powers. His previous volume, specificially the Ragnarok arc, shows that Thor is more than capable of holding his own without Mjolnir.

And lol at Blanket being one of the more biased members here.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor can't fly without his hammer. The lightning coming out of his fist is rare and might not count as it happened only once. Also the lightning summoned from Mjolnir is astronomically more powerful. As is the blasts that Thor can emit vs. the bear hug blast.

Thor doesnt have powers without his hammer huh?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning01JIM093.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorOmniblast01AvengersAnnual07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorGodblast01v282.jpg

Learn about the characters before debating against them.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
^ Even then, I really can't see how Superman's speed, the way he generally uses it, is such an advantage against someone with Thor's reflexes and ability to lay down a wide arc of fire/area of effect blast.

Superman will pop Thor before Thor can twitch a muscle, even if Thor sees it coming a mile away.

Originally posted by h1a8
Reflexes and speed are two different things. One can have infinite reflexes and not be able to defend. For example if I can move 10ft before you can move 1in then how can you ever defend?

Superman will pop Thor before Thor can twitch a muscle, even if Thor sees it coming a mile away.

😕 Somebody help him.

Why does H1 have to post his speed garbled nonsense in a thread to even out the characters?

It's like the kid can't help but post opinions on powers that he made up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Reflexes and speed are two different things. One can have infinite reflexes and not be able to defend. For example if I can move 10ft before you can move 1in then how can you ever defend?

Superman will pop Thor before Thor can twitch a muscle, even if Thor sees it coming a mile away.

Cool, except that Thor does have super speed as well as the reflexes to use them. Superman being faster doesn't equal auto-win for him, just as magic doesn't translate over for Thor winning automatically.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor doesnt have powers without his hammer huh?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning01JIM093.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorOmniblast01AvengersAnnual07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorGodblast01v282.jpg

Learn about the characters before debating against them.

The first scan is invalid. The second scan seems as if Thor is holding the hammer. The third scan shows the hammer is still with him, and it seems that is Thor with the OF.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor can't fly without his hammer. The lightning coming out of his fist is rare and might not count as it happened only once. Also the lightning summoned from Mjolnir is astronomically more powerful. As is the blasts that Thor can emit vs. the bear hug blast.

1st thor has bn shown more then once to fly without his hammer as well as hover levitate and cross dimensions..

2nd he has also bn shown more then once to manipulate lightning and thunder. he had bn in a rage while fighting and each blow released thunder and lightning impact blast magnifying his blows... thor even said it himself his power is within him... the 1st time shown thor shot lightning from his hands as well...

during the fight with Hercules Thor without his hammer still had control over the weather and blasted them both.....

during his return after civil war Thor caused world wide weather manipulation while speaking to Ironman... he did not order or slammed his weapon but merely voiced his command over the weather.. 😬

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cool, except that Thor does have super speed as well as the reflexes to use them. Superman being faster doesn't equal auto-win for him, just as magic doesn't translate over for Thor winning automatically.

He only has super speed relative to ordinary humans. He doesn't have any super speed relative to Superman. Superman can punch him before he can raise his hand to defend. If not, then that would mean Thor is just as fast as Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
The first scan is invalid. The second scan seems as if Thor is holding the hammer. The third scan shows the hammer is still with him, and it seems that is Thor with the OF.

All of those scans is without the hammer and in the third one, Thor even tells us that he didnt need the hammer.

You are always taking away from scans. You need to stop doing that.

Originally posted by h1a8
He only has super speed relative to ordinary humans. He doesn't have any super speed relative to Superman. Superman can punch him before he can raise his hand to defend. If not, then that would mean Thor is just as fast as Superman.

Now do all of us a favor, show us Superman doing the things that you mentioned he can do.

Originally posted by h1a8
The first scan is invalid. The second scan seems as if Thor is holding the hammer. The third scan shows the hammer is still with him, and it seems that is Thor with the OF.

WTF?

The first scan is valid. Thor is the God of Thunder, so him making like Emperor Palpatine is not a stretch. That's not even near the top five of his obscure ass powers back in the day.

Second scan, even if Thor had the hammer with him (not a stretch as it more often than not is) the blast is radiating from Thor's body, not from Mjolnir. Even his speech, "For I am Thor, the God of Thunder and Lightning!" is evident he's using his godly powers instead of Mjolnir's directional blasts or weather control.

Third scan, he sure as hell doesn't have the OF. And Mjolnir was shattered basically beyond repair several issues earlier thanks to Loki's boot leg versions colliding with the real deal all at once.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
1st thor has bn shown more then once to fly without his hammer as well as hover levitate and cross dimensions..

2nd he has also bn shown more then once to manipulate lightning and thunder. he had bn in a rage while fighting and each blow released thunder and lightning impact blast magnifying his blows... thor even said it himself his power is within him... the 1st time shown thor shot lightning from his hands as well...[/B][/QUOTE] I don't believe Thor can do it. Only once have a saw him do it and the comic is too old for it to be considered valid. Even so, my point is that he is astronomically stronger with the hammer. So these arguments are moot.

during his return after civil war Thor caused world wide weather manipulation while speaking to Ironman... he did not order or slammed his weapon but merely voiced his command over the weather.. 😬

Originally posted by h1a8
Possession of the hammer is all it takes, or the fact that Thor had the OF.

What the hell?

Thor has to use Mjolnir, to y'know, USE Mjolnir. It simply being on his person doesn't give him any bonuses or advantages, aside from Classic Thor not turning into Donald Blake.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't believe it. I think I saw the levitating one, but that's not flying.

2nd he has also bn shown more then once to manipulate lightning and thunder. he had bn in a rage while fighting and each blow released thunder and lightning impact blast magnifying his blows... thor even said it himself his power is within him... the 1st time shown thor shot lightning from his hands as well...

Possession of the hammer is all it takes, or the fact that Thor had the OF. [/B][/QUOTE]

From now on I'm going to tell you "I dont believe it".

The only thing Mjolnir gives Thor is atk power, flight, and super friction.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WTF?

The first scan is valid. Thor is the God of Thunder, so him making like Emperor Palpatine is not a stretch. That's not even near the top five of his obscure ass powers back in the day.

Second scan, even if Thor had the hammer with him (not a stretch as it more often than not is) the blast is radiating from Thor's body, not from Mjolnir. Even his speech, "For I am Thor, the God of Thunder and Lightning!" is evident he's using his godly powers instead of Mjolnir's directional blasts or weather control.

Third scan, he sure as hell doesn't have the OF. And Mjolnir was shattered basically beyond repair several issues earlier thanks to Loki's boot leg versions colliding with the real deal all at once.

Why doesn't he have the OF? He was lord of Asgard.

hmm... not only are you wrong but you ignore and dismiss his feats and even claim it doesnt matter even if he can do it.

do us all a favor and try to at least have some credibility and debate and argue logically 😖hifty:

Originally posted by h1a8
The first scan is invalid. The second scan seems as if Thor is holding the hammer. The third scan shows the hammer is still with him, and it seems that is Thor with the OF.

Second scan must have Thor holding the hammer because it's cropped!
Actually, this might have some merit if this is from the same place that "Thor beat Thanos *Take out two scans*" is from. Although I doubt you're right.

Third scan... well, if you had even read a bio on Ragnarok, you would know how much you know nothing about it. The hammer was smashed. Uh ya. And Odin power? This just shows that you make shit up on the spot.
Also, it was on his waist anyway...