Originally posted by CosmicComet
^Read Kratos' respect thread that I updated. It's over.Ryu can try to stab, cut, whatever. He's not going to do anything. Maybe he could poke him in the eye, but that's about it.
Ryu is superhuman, wielding a weapon crafted using the power of 12 ancient gods. Kratos is not Superman, hell he's not even at the level of the Thing or Colossus in terms of durability.
It is illogical to assume Ryu the Super Ninja (as he is called) with the very powerful Dragon Sword isn't going to pierce a guy like Kratos or Zeus or any of the other demi gods and gods from GOW given an opportunity.
If he can pierce Greater Fiends who are demi gods and gods by themselves with power over certain elements Fire, Lightning etc with more dense muscles than Kratos, there's no way Kratos flesh will stop Ryu from cutting him.
The Dragon Blade was built to be powerful enough to cut through all the demi gods and gods that are enemies of the Dragon Lineage, and I don't see how Kratos (given his track record with piercing weapons) is going to be the exception. Hell its power is so immense that only Ryu and the other Super Ninjas of the Dragon Lineage can wield it.
Yeah Kratos is more durable than Ryu, but so are the Fiends who brush off attacks that would kill Ryu.
I only mentioned Ryu is superhuman because you seem to think that he's only peak human. No peak human can do the stuff Ryu does, a peak human is not superhuman. A ninja is peak human, a Super Ninja (as Ryu is called in the games) is a super human version of the same ninja. He has to have otherwordly ability just to wield the Dragon Sword without it harming him.
As for Kratos not being Superman, he would need to be at least Colossus/Thing level in terms of his durability for Ryu to be unable to pierce him. In fact he is far below Thing/Colossus level in terms of durability.
You can't read. That's the conclusion I've come to.
You haven't read a single word that I've said here, or the respect thread itself.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=464264&pagenumber=5#post12599813
I'll even link it for you.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
You can't read. That's the conclusion I've come to.
You haven't read a single word that I've said here, or the respect thread itself.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=464264&pagenumber=5#post12599813
I'll even link it for you.
I already saw the thread, and some of your durability feats aren't even durability feats i.e. all the durability feats related to resisting piercing weapons coincidentally.
The Hades scene was not a durability feat since Hades blades are meant to grab his soul and they do, he resists the soul taking process. The Blades don't actually hook onto his flesh (physical body), but his soul (spiritual body), the little cutscene clearly shows that.
Hades actually says "your soul is mine" ala Shang Tsung before trying to steal his soul, clearly indicating his intent, which is indeed clearly demonstrated with the blades hooking onto Kratos soul.
So it wasn't actually a durability feat.
Then Poseidon's crab-like creature doesn't actually pierce Kratos he holds off its crab leg with his strength. It didn't actually pierce him. Again, not a durability feat. This is why it looked like I was ignoring your thread, but its because I never saw any durability feats vs sharp objects, it seems you don't even want to give honest feats.
Originally posted by Allankles
I already saw the thread, and some of your durability feats aren't even durability feats i.e. all the durability feats related to resisting piercing weapons coincidentally.The Hades scene was not a durability feat since Hades blades are meant to grab his soul and they do, he resists the soul taking process. The Blades don't actually hook onto his flesh (physical body), but his soul (spiritual body), the little cutscene clearly shows that.
Hades actually says "your soul is mine" ala Shang Tsung before trying to steal his soul, clearly indicating his intent, which is indeed clearly demonstrated with the blades hooking onto Kratos soul.
So it wasn't actually a durability feat.
Then Poseidon's crab-like creature doesn't actually pierce Kratos he holds off its crab leg with his strength. It didn't actually pierce him. Again, not a durability feat. This is why it looked like I was ignoring your thread, but its because I never saw any durability feats vs sharp objects, it seems you don't even want to give honest feats.
You moron. The hooks are physical, they are not intangible and have never shown to be. They pierced Atlas, they pierced Cronos, hell when Kratos used them against Hades there was blood there too. There was no blood when he hit Kratos.
Hades came out with the intent to kill Kratos for his own personal vendetta against him, in the most effective way possible. Which is why he sneaked up to give himself a better chance. All that has been made apparent is the hooks don't have to actually cut you to grab your soul. But there was even a fleshy sound made when the hooks connected on Kratos.
The leviathan hit Kratos squarely. He grabbed the leg the same moment it already hit him which means nothing was lost. The leg is longer than Kratos' arms and that Kratos did not grab it at the point, it means he got hit squarely.
Did you also ignore the feat where he blocked the edge of the BoO's blade with his bare hands, twice?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
^Read Kratos' respect thread that I updated. It's over.Ryu can try to stab, cut, whatever. He's not going to do anything. Maybe he could poke him in the eye, but that's about it.
If Ryu was using his other weapons, I'd agree but the True Dragon Sword? That thing will cut Kratos. I'll even say it's sharper than any GoW weapon.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
You moron. The hooks are physical, they are not intangible and have never shown to be. They pierced Atlas, they pierced Cronos, hell when Kratos used them against Hades there was blood there too. There was no blood when he hit Kratos.
There's no blood when he hit Kratos because they were digging at his soul. The cutscene clearly shows the blade hooking his soul, with Hades intending to pull out his soul: "your soul is mine".
The blades - proven by that scene - have the capacity to hook an intangible soul directly, it had nothing to do with Kratos durability.
How are those other scenes related, when here Hades wanted to yank Kratos soul specifically?
Just move on, the evidence here is against you.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
All that has been made apparent is the hooks don't have to actually cut you to grab your soul. But there was even a fleshy sound made when the hooks connected on Kratos.
Exactly, the blades don't have to cut Kratos to yank his soul out. Hades didn't expect Kratos to actually have the ability to resist having his soul taken away. Why argue something, when the evidence is against you?
The Poseidon crab is the same situation here.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Exactly
The leviathan hit Kratos squarely. He grabbed the leg the same moment it already hit him which means nothing was lost. The leg is longer than Kratos' arms and that Kratos did not grab it at the point, it means he got hit squarely..
It doesn't actually hit Kratos before he grabs it, it almost hits Kratos. You're going to scrap any kind of feat to try make your case aren't you? The Leviathan scene was a strength feat, not a durability feat for sharp point damage.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Did you also ignore the feat where he blocked the edge of the BoO's blade with his bare hands, twice?
The same weapon that has been shown to pierce him 😕 .
And as I said, your whole premise was Hayabusa is peak human, but he's more than just that, his weapon by itself is made to cut all soughts of demi gods and gods.
The Dragon sword is given the power to destroy gods through the power of 12 other gods. And Ryu needed to undergo hellish training just so that he can actually use the sword without it harming him. I should have mentioned this at the start, really.
Originally posted by Allankles
There's no blood when he hit Kratos because they were digging at his soul. The cutscene clearly shows the blade hooking his soul, with Hades intending to pull out his soul: "your soul is mine".The blades - proven by that scene - have the capacity to hook an intangible soul directly, it had nothing to do with Kratos durability.
How are those other scenes related, when here Hades wanted to yank Kratos soul specifically?
Just move on, the evidence here is against you.
Exactly, the blades don't have to cut Kratos to yank his soul out. Hades didn't expect Kratos to actually have the ability to resist having his soul taken away. Why argue something, when the evidence is against you?
The Poseidon crab is the same situation here.
It doesn't actually hit Kratos before he grabs it, it almost hits Kratos. You're going to scrap any kind of feat to try make your case aren't you? The Leviathan scene was a strength feat, not a durability feat for sharp point damage.
The same weapon that has been shown to pierce him 😕 .
And as I said, your whole premise was Hayabusa is peak human, but he's more than just that, his weapon by itself is made to cut all soughts of demi gods and gods.
The Dragon sword is given the power to destroy gods through the power of 12 other gods. And Ryu needed to undergo hellish training just so that he can actually use the sword without it harming him. I should have mentioned this at the start, really.
-This bullshit continues. The evidence is against YOU. It is YOU who is the one trying to assume something with nothing to show for it. Hades' hooks are physical. They've never shown the ability to simply phase through something harmlessly. They've cut everything they've made contact with, Hades included, except Kratos himself. When Kratos has durability feats that put him above titans, this should not come as a surprise.
It's a slash durability feat period. There is physical contact with Kratos skin. There is the sound of it actually hitting Kratos' flesh for pete's sake. The point of the weapon is soul stealing AFTER the fact it actually has to make physical contact to do it. Do you even have any logical argument as to why Hades would want it to only phase through Kratos and not try to cut him first? Do you? You are done here.
-I'm sorry, you cannot interpret the Leviathan scene differently. It hit him in the torso. The only way it wouldn't have is if KRatos caught it by the point and it never reached him. He did not. He grabbed it the same moment it hit him and he grabbed it nowhere near the point.
-As for the BoO being able to pierce him? Wow. You think? Piercing is whole different ball park than slashing.
-And you continue to be a terrible reader, and its sad that I have to point this out again. Read through again moron. Where in this thread did I say Ryu was peak human? Point it out for me please? I could have sworn that I said a couple of different times that I put him well above peak human. I said Spiderman levels specifically. (Which is honestly probably a bit too generous, Spiderman can flip over tanks.) You can tout your titles of 'demi-gods' and 'gods' that its able to cut through, but the truthfully those beings have no durability feats at all.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
-This bullshit continues. The evidence is against YOU. It is YOU who is the one trying to assume something with nothing to show for it. Hades' hooks are physical. They've never shown the ability to simply phase through something harmlessly. They've cut everything they've made contact with, Hades included, except Kratos himself. When Kratos has durability feats that put him above titans, this should not come as a surprise.It's a slash durability feat period. There is physical contact with Kratos skin. There is the sound of it actually hitting Kratos' flesh for pete's sake. The point of the weapon is soul stealing AFTER the fact it actually has to make physical contact to do it. Do you even have any logical argument as to why Hades would want it to only phase through Kratos and not try to cut him first? Do you? You are done here.
If they depended on physical contact to function then you'd have a point, as far as the cutscene goes the magical hooking-end of the blade does indeed phase through Kratos body to yank his soul.
You're the one not thinking logically, how can you foolishly insist that the magical edge of the blade didn't bypass Kratos flesh entirely?
How would they have gotten to Kratos soul without going through the physical place that his soul was encased in? Are you going to say they simply displaced his soul from his body, when we actually see them piercing his soul? Don't be a dumb ass.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
-I'm sorry, you cannot interpret the Leviathan scene differently. It hit him in the torso. The only way it wouldn't have is if KRatos caught it by the point and it never reached him. He did not. He grabbed it the same moment it hit him and he grabbed it nowhere near the point.
I'm sorry too, because it looks like you watched that scene only once. As the the leviathan descends Kratos actually braces himself to actually grab it.
He bends his knees and the leviathan fails to actually make contact with his body entirely, he then pushes it off into the ground before the final battle on Gaia.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
-As for the BoO being able to pierce him? Wow. You think? Piercing is whole different ball park than slashing.
Who cares, the blade did indeed pierce his flesh. He's not immune to its sharp edge is my point. The Dragon Blade is also a different kettle of fish, for one its too small for that to be relevant.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
You can tout your titles of 'demi-gods' and 'gods' that its able to cut through, but the truthfully those beings have no durability feats at all.
They have durability feats against convential high powered weapons.
Originally posted by Allankles
If they depended on physical contact to function then you'd have a point, as far as the cutscene goes the magical hooking-end of the blade does indeed phase through Kratos body to yank his soul.You're the one not thinking logically, how can you foolishly insist that the magical edge of the blade didn't bypass Kratos flesh entirely?
How would they have gotten to Kratos soul without going through the physical place that his soul was encased in? Are you going to say they simply displaced his soul from his body, when we actually see them [b]piercing
his soul? Don't be a dumb ass.I'm sorry too, because it looks like you watched that scene only once. As the the leviathan descends Kratos actually braces himself to actually grab it.
He bends his knees and the leviathan fails to actually pierce his body entirely, he then pushes it off into the ground before the final battle on Gaia.
Who cares, the blade did indeed pierce his flesh. He's not immune to its sharp edge is my point. The Dragon Blade is also a different kettle of fish, for one its too small for that to be relevant.
They have durability feats against convential high powered weapons. [/B]
--They've had to physically connect with every opponent it has ever come into contact with to steal a soul in the first place. It cut Cronos, It cut Atlas. It cut Hades himself. All that was made clear was even if it can't cut you, it can still steal your soul.
-Prior showings of its physical cutting ability in action, during use by the same person who tried to cut Kratos? Check.
-Prior showing of its physical cutting ability against the master of the weapons themselves? Check.
-Audible sound of the blades physically connecting with Kratos' body--yet still not accompanied by any blood? Check.
-Hades winding up his swing to get as much power as possible while at the same time sneaking up? Check.
-Logical motivator in Hades loathing Kratos and wanting to hurt him as much as possible (all the while trying win as fast as possible) as a reason for him trying to cut Kratos? Check.
-You not having logical argument as to why the hooks would simply be turned completely intangible when it has no feats to show this or an explanation as to why Hades would even want them to be intangible when he hates Kratos? Check.
Kindly, be quiet. You have no leg to stand on.
--I've watched it more times than I can count. Kratos sees it coming yes, but he fails to keep the point from hitting him nor does he bend his knees in anticipation. His knees were forcibly bent by the impact of the leviathan's leg hitting him in the torso. Finished.
--He's not immune to a sharp point sure, but he's highly resistant by feats, And again, Ryu is not Zeus and the True Dragon Sword is leagues below the Blade of Olympus. Zeus is as a strong as Kratos and still could not cut Kratos' despite Kratos catching the sword's edge twice with his bare hands.
--When? I don't remember. Anyway, bullets are unimpressive for either universe anyway.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
--They've had to physically connect with every opponent it has ever come into contact with to steal a soul in the first place. It cut Cronos, It cut Atlas. It cut Hades himself. All that was made clear was even if it can't cut you, it can still steal your soul.-Prior showings of its physical cutting ability in action, during use by the same person who tried to cut Kratos? Check.
-Prior showing of its physical cutting ability against the master of the weapons themselves? Check.
-Audible sound of the blades physically connecting with Kratos' body--yet still not accompanied by any blood? Check.
-Hades winding up his swing to get as much power as possible while at the same time sneaking up? Check.
-Logical motivator in Hades loathing Kratos and wanting him to suffer as much as possible as a reason for him trying to cut Kratos? Check.
-You not having logical argument as to why the hooks would simply be turned completely intangible when it has no feats to show this or an explanation as to why Hades would even want them to intangible when he hates Kratos? Check.
Get real. The scene does show the magical part of the blades bypassing his flesh to pierce his soul. Logic demands, that they had to phase through Kratos flesh to get to his soul. Logic.
The sound of the blades hittting Kratos is just that, blades hitting Kratos, this doesn't mean that they didn't quite clearly phase through Kratos body to get to his soul, as the evidence clearly shows. That's called SFX, you want seperate SFX for phasing blades?
Your arguments on what Hades or Kratos did to other people with the blades are entirely irrelevant to what actually happened with Kratos.
For that to be a durability feat we would have to abandon logic; "the blades didn't pierce him, but phased through his body, when they were supposed to actually pierce his body and phase through his body at the same time." Just dumb.
It's one or the other, if the blades have 2 seperate phases they'd be seperated into 2 phases, but it was the same single unifrom blade throughout. Please actually think, before your next rebuttal on this.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
--I've watched it more times than I can count. Kratos sees it coming yes, but he fails to keep the point from hitting him nor does he bend his knees in anticipation. His knees were [b]forcibly bent by the impact of the leviathan's leg hitting him in the torso. Finished.[/B]
Urgh! Yes the leviathan pushes him down, but Kratos stops it almost dead with his strength, before he spikes it to the ground. Really, a durability feat? ❌
Originally posted by CosmicComet
He's not immune to a sharp point sure, but he's highly resistant by feats, And again, Ryu is not Zeus and the True Dragon Sword is leagues below the Blade of Olympus. Zeus is as a strong as Kratos and still could not cut Kratos' despite Kratos catching the sword's edge twice with his bare hands.
No one is saying it isn't impressive, but the idea is that it does and can pierce him, remember my stance has always been that it's ridiculous to say Ryu couldn't pierce him especially given how lightning quick and efficient he is with the Dragon Sword.
Originally posted by CosmicCometSpeak for yourself.
When? I don't remember. Anyway, bullets are unimpressive for either universe anyway.
Originally posted by Allankles
Get real. The scene does show the magical part of the blades bypassing his flesh to pierce his soul. Logic demands, that they had to [b]phase through Kratos flesh to get to his soul. Logic.The sound of the blades hittting Kratos is just that, blades hitting Kratos, this doesn't mean that they didn't quite clearly phase through Kratos body to get to his soul, as the evidence clearly shows. That's called SFX, you want seperate SFX for phasing blades?
Your arguments on what Hades or Kratos did to other people with the blades are entirely irrelevant to what actually happened with Kratos.
For that to be a durability feat we would have to abandon logic; "the blades didn't pierce him, but phased through his body, when they were supposed to actually pierce his body and phase through his body at the same time." Just dumb.
It's one or the other, if the blades have 2 seperate phases they'd be seperated into 2 phases, but it was the same single unifrom blade throughout. Please actually think, before your next rebuttal on this. [/B]
You are repeating yourself with the same weak arguments.
It was glowing? oooohh the blades were glowing!!!! So the hell what? It was glowing against Cronos and Atlas too. It glowed when Kratos used them against Hades as well--in which there was blood.
You completely contradict yourself by acknowledging that the blades did indeed make a sound against Kratos flesh, and then say it doesn't mean it didn't phase through. WTF? That's a reaffirmation that the blades are physical. Even if it only touched him for a millisecond, that was all it would have taken for a cut to manifest. It did not.
What happens against Cronos and Atlas cannot be discarded, that would be moronic because the very essence of what we are doing here is determining the properties of the hooks are by their showings.
There is no abandonment of logic, in what I'm saying. And what did I say again? I said that the Blades have never shown the ability to harmlessly pass through something as though it were completely intangible yes? It's a magical weapon that can attack souls but still has basic physical properties. Kratos hits Hades with the hooks, blood comes out, and then he proceeds to take his soul. On the other hand, Hades hits Kratos with the hooks in the very beginning of this fight. No blood, despite audible confirmation of it physically hitting him. But it was still able to attack his soul. Being that it did indeed HIT Kratos before it attached to his soul, that would mean my statement that it 'can't harmlessly pass through anything' is confirmed. Once more, there is no abandonment of logic--rather you are just making a completely different, and flawed, argument that it was completely intangible and can only be intangible in that scene.
You. ****ing. lost. You lost by the evidence mounted against you by past showings-and even by an immediately future showing. You lost by reason of Hades' motivations. You lost absolutely.
Urgh! Yes the leviathan pushes him down, but Kratos stops it almost dead with his strength, before he spikes it to the ground. Really, a durability feat?
Stopping it dead on would grabbing the point before it ever even hit him. That's not what happened. The point of the leg hit Kratos squarely and the impact pushed him down. Kratos gets a hold AROUND the leg the same moment it hits him, that would do nothing to stop the initial force of impact. Yes, its durability feat. It effortless pierces through Gaia and rocks around it. It is also a strength feat being that the Leviathan is able to restrain Gaia.
(--As an aside, I hope you are intelligent enough to comprehend that pretty much all of Kratos' strength feats are in turn durability feats. You can't be strong enough to do something if your body can't handle the stresses)
No one is saying it isn't impressive, but the idea is that it does and can pierce him, remember my stance has always been that it's ridiculous to say Ryu couldn't pierce him especially given how lightning quick and efficient he is with the Dragon Sword.
I know what your stance is, and my stance all along is that your stance is ridiculous. Kratos is millions of times stronger and more durable than Ryu. Harmlessly grabbing the edge of a sword swung by someone in his strength class puts Kratos far above Ryu's ability to harm with. Let alone when that Sword is the Blade of Olympus, swung by Zeus himself.
Speak for yourself.
I'll repeat myself. Bullets ain't shit. 😮💨