Kratos Versus Ryu Hayabusa

Originally posted by Cyner
Conclusion: Ryu is awesome but Kratos got wanked to death in GoW3 therefore he wins. The end.

Kratos won well before GoW3. Before that, it would have been a close fight in which Ryu could actually HARM Kratos in. Now its simply a curbstomp.

--But actually, Kratos even had a cutting durability feat in God of War 2 as well. Atropos sneaks up behind Kratos and grabs him with her long blade like nails, and that didn't cut Kratos either.

edit: ahhh crap. new page. prior big post is bumped.

Let's get things straight:

1. YouTube video
2:13-3:18

Hades pierces both Cronos and Atlas but there is no visible bleeding. Seeing what the Claws did to Atlas, one can assume that it's meant to do spiritual damage rather than physical

YouTube video
At the very beginning of the video, we see the soul rip. Instead of piercing Kratos, it grabs his soul after hitting the side. I doubt there was piercing involved.

YouTube video
1:45-2:02
The Hades Claws does show physical piercing but when the soul rip is being done (1:45 after Kratos opens his head), there is no blood seen.

Conclusion: The soul rip is not a physical attack.

2. YouTube video
The Leviathan appendage is obviously not piercing Kratos. He held it just in time from getting stabbed.

3. YouTube video
3:33-3:37

Just proof that Kratos wasn't stabbed by Leviathan or Hades Claws. Blades can't make him bleed but being slammed to a wall does? 😆

4. YouTube video
6:13-7:00

Kratos is most likely not touching the sharp edge. Neither him nor Zeus are bleeding from the hands. The only time he does get hit by the BoO is when the player failed to press a certain button.

Conclusion: Kratos will get slashed and stabbed by Ryu's Dragon Sword. No excuses.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
But actually, Kratos even had a cutting durability feat in God of War 2 as well. Atropos sneaks up behind Kratos and grabs him with her long blade like nails, and that didn't cut Kratos either.

Atropos grabbed him and no nails were touching.

2:13-3:18

Hades pierces both Cronos and Atlas but there is no visible bleeding. Seeing what the Claws did to Atlas, one can assume that it's meant to do spiritual damage rather than physical

At the very beginning of the video, we see the soul rip. Instead of piercing Kratos, it grabs his soul after hitting the side. I doubt there was piercing involved.

1:45-2:02
The Hades Claws does show physical piercing but when the soul rip is being done (1:45 after Kratos opens his head), there is no blood seen.

Conclusion: The soul rip is not a physical attack.

Prior and future showings of its piercing ability + plus Kratos by feats being more durable than Titans + audible confirmation of the blade physically hitting Kratos = confirmation of my argument. I'm the one going by showings, you guys are the ones trying to speculate.

No one here, absolutely no one, said the soul rip action, is what's doing the physical damage. The BLADES themselves do the physical damage/contact, initially.

The Leviathan appendage is obviously not piercing Kratos. He held it just in time from getting stabbed.

3:33-3:37

Just proof that Kratos wasn't stabbed by Leviathan or Hades Claws. Blades can't make him bleed but being slammed to a wall does? laughing

And LOL. That's some pathetic reasoning. So the impact with that column causing bleeding and Hades claws not is some sort of argument of the latter being discardable? You do remember that Kratos didn't even bleed when jumping down from the Labyrinth, which is a great distance up Mt. Olympus, all the way down to solid ground in the Underworld yes?

This means it can be taken either one of two ways:

1. The bleeding was just a small in-engine inconsistency given that he jumped from a distance up Olympus to the Underworld with no problem.
or
2. It's a demonstration of the hardness of Olympian stone. Considering that in the end cutscene of the first level, Gaia was able to hang on to an Olympian Pillar as the sole means of supporting her millions of tons of weight (her other hand was free trying to attack Zeus.), this just shows the density and hardness of the material.

6:13-7:00 Kratos is most likely not touching the sharp edge. Neither him nor Zeus are bleeding from the hands. The only time he does get hit by the BoO is when the player failed to press a certain button. Conclusion: Kratos will get slashed and stabbed by Ryu's Dragon Sword. No excuses.

4. 'Most likely'. Again with these feeble, unsure qualifiers ('i doubt' prior) in front of your arguments. This is entirely retarded as well because we see clearly that Kratos' left hand, and Zeus right hand, are firmly clutched around the edge of the blade. Or are you saying that the blade is only sharp at the tip? That would be wrong as in that same scene Zeus bleeds after being slashed.

In fact, in this very video, Kratos stops the POINT of the BoO with his bare hands too! At 6:22-6:25, Kratos' right hand is clearly clutched around the edge of the blade point. Thanks for reaffirming my position with your haphazard video posting.

Oh, and here's a video where the player does not fail to push a button. Just so we can clearly see Kratos stopping the edge of the slash with his bare hands--twice: (sorry don't know how to embed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqwdrLG9Gxk

Conclusion: Same as it always was. Ryu is millions of times too weak to be at the necessary strength level to cut Kratos with his weaponry.

Atropos grabbed him and no nails were touching.

This was a very flaccid debate post. Easily rebuked.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
1. It pierces Cronos and Atlas but there is no visible bleeding? What's your point? We can visually confirm that it pierced their skin and that is confirmation of their physicality--let alone that blood comes out when Kratos uses it against Hades. A minor inconsistency from the development team, they could have just meant for the wounds to be too small for blood to be warranted as visible. Plus its an FMV, not a game engine scene, (where blood can be coded to come out simply upon any impact.) and thus they may have decided blood wasn't worth the time to implement as it would have been so minor anyway.

Nope, the soul rip isn't a physical attack. The proof has been shown. There are no blood spurts when it is used. The only reason the Claws did cause bleeding when used on Hades was because Kratos wasn't using the Soul Rip. He was physically tearing him apart so that he won't resist.

2. Oh, you can doubt all you want now, in a previous post you even said there was no bleeding in regards to it as a durability feat. Interesting that you should change your tune.

Prior and future showings of its piercing ability + plus Kratos by feats being more durable than Titans + audible confirmation of the blade physically hitting Kratos = confirmation of my argument. I'm the one going by showings, you guys are the ones trying to speculate.

No one here, absolutely no one, said the soul rip action, is what's doing the physical damage. The BLADES themselves do the physical damage/contact, initially.

LOL More durable than Cronos? Last time I checked, Kratos died when impaled in the stomach by a flying pillar and later, the BoO. At least Cronos survived after getting gutted.

The Soul Rip isn't physical, otherwise the hooks would stay on the character's skin while the soul is being sucked out.

3. You've changed your tune again. Watch that video in 720p, and see again what the hell happens. Kratos does not stop the point of the leg from hitting him, all he managed to do was grab AROUND the leg. The impact pushed him down as well, and as we see him push up we see the point of the leg still in contact with his torso. Massive durability and strength feat here.

And LOL. That's some pathetic reasoning. So the impact with that column causing bleeding and Hades claws not is some sort of argument of the latter being discardable? You do remember that Kratos didn't even bleed when jumping down from the Labyrinth, which is a great distance up Mt. Olympus, all the way down to solid ground in the Underworld yes?

This means it can be taken either one of two ways:

1. The bleeding was just a small in-engine inconsistency giving that he jumped from a distance up Olympus to the Underworld with no problem.
or
2. It's a demonstration of the hardness of Olympian stone. Considering that in the end cutscene of the first level, Gaia was able to hang on to an Olympian Pillar as the sole means of supporting her millions of tons of weight (her other hand was free trying to attack Zeus.), this just shows the density and hardness of the material.

A flying pillar can kill Kratos but Poseidon can't in his water form? Kratos held the appendage with massive strength but the massive force pushed him. He only barely got pierced. Not a durability feat.

Also, Kratos didn't land on his dead when he dropped.

4. 'Most likely'. Again with these feeble, unsure qualifiers ('i doubt' prior) in front of your arguments. This is entirely retarded as well because we see clearly that Kratos' left hand, and Zeus right hand, are firmly clutched around the edge of the blade. Or are you saying that the blade is only sharp at the tip? That would be wrong as in that same scene Zeus bleeds after being slashed.

In fact, in this very video, Kratos stops the POINT of the BoO with his bare hands too! At 6:22-6:25, Kratos' right hand is clearly clutched around the edge of the blade point. Thanks for reaffirming my position with your haphazard video posting.

Oh, and here's a video where the player does not fail to push a button. Just so we can clearly see Kratos stopping the edge of the slash with his bare hands--twice: (sorry don't know how to embed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqwdrLG9Gxk

Conclusion: Same as it always was. Ryu is millions of times too weak to be at the necessary strength level to cut Kratos with his weaponry.

If his hands are around the blade, than the sword isn't that sharp and relies more on force and its godly power. Everytime the sword is used to kill somebody, it pierces so the point is where the sharpness truly is. BoO is much more powerful than the Dragon Sword since it's strong enough to kill Cronos but it's nowhere as sharp.

Ryu regularly slices through things with his sword and he will cut Kratos.

5. Wrong. Do not--post from memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pheq4-bLx7s
From 3:57-4:02. Atropos comes up from behind and with a strong swip clutches Kratos with her ridiculously sharp nails, and then HOLDS him for a few seconds while Lahkesis tries to strike him.

This was a very flaccid debate post. Easily rebuked.

That's not proof enough that Kratos was cut. He was just snatched without getting cut. You fail.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Oh, you can doubt all you want now, in a previous post you even said there was no bleeding in regards to it as a durability feat. Interesting that you should change your tune.

You're so damn stubborn you even argue against the evidence. This guy at least posted the video evidence to cut down on wasting words. The videos quite clearly show that the blades phased through Titans, Kratos and Hades himself in their canon scenes.

Why speculate on the reasoning behind why the devs didn't show blood in a cutscene? The blades don't show any blood because they're phasing through flesh, it should be that simple.

The devs have never shied away from showing blood in GOW, what a flimsy argument to make.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
And LOL. That's some pathetic reasoning. So the impact with that column causing bleeding and Hades claws not is some sort of argument of the latter being discardable? This means it can be taken either one of two ways:

You just made an even more pathetic argument about why the devs didn't show blood with the phasing, soul catching blades of Hades.

At the least, that scene indicates Kratos bleeding from less extreme trauma.

The blades are meant to draw out souls canonically, Kratos' incident was no exception, if anything the only difference was how quickly Hades yanked his soul.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The Soul Rip isn't physical, otherwise the hooks would stay on the character's skin while the soul is being sucked out.

At least someone is thinking logically. The blades wouldn't be able to rip souls (like they do) without actually phasing through flesh.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
3. You've changed your tune again. Watch that video in 720p, and see again what the hell happens. Kratos does not stop the point of the leg from hitting him, all he managed to do was grab AROUND the leg. The impact pushed him down as well, and as we see him push up we see the point of the leg still in contact with his torso. Massive durability and strength feat here.

By the time it even touches Kratos, he's stopped its descent to a crawl. At no point does it make full contact with his chest, he was stopping its downward motion from the moment it touched his outstretched hands.

It doesn't "smash his chest", that impact you hear is Kratos' bracing palms smacking up against the hollow exo-skeleton of the the leviathan's clawing leg.

As expected, you had absolutely no worthwhile rebuttle and have become limited to weak few line responses, seeing as I've covered every aspect of your flawed argument, this does not come as a surprise.

But I'll respond in kind anyway.

Nope, the soul rip isn't a physical attack. The proof has been shown. There are no blood spurts when it is used. The only reason the Claws did cause bleeding when used on Hades was because Kratos wasn't using the Soul Rip. He was physically tearing him apart so that he won't resist.

You moron. Hades hooked into Cronos and Atlas the same way Kratos hooked into Hades. What is this designation of the action from the same weapon being called a 'soul rip', when in every canonical use the very point of the weapon's ability is that it physically connects with an opponent to ensue a 'soul rip'. Every one of its uses has been a 'soul rip'. Fact of the matter is the blades have consistently shown physical properties, even in its use against Kratos there was the sound of the blades physically connecting with Kratos' flesh.

Your argument hinges on the fact that there wasn't some minor visual aid of blood in the Cronos/Atlas piercing scene--despite the fact that the hooks are absolutely minuscule in comparison to their hide and the fact that the blades still visibly pierced their flesh before Hades even began to try to pull their soul out.

LOL More durable than Cronos? Last time I checked, Kratos died when impaled in the stomach by a flying pillar and later, the BoO. At least Cronos survived after getting gutted. The Soul Rip isn't physical, otherwise the hooks would stay on the character's skin while the soul is being sucked out.

LOL what a pathetic abandonment of logic again. Yes, Kratos by feats is more durable than the Titans. He tanked a Zeus lightning bolt that severed Gaia's arm. He shook off a white energy blast that would have destroyed a formation of onyx crystals from Zeus later in the game. The difference is Cronos is BIGGER than Kratos, not that he's more durable than Kratos. That pillar would have been very tiny in comparison to Cronos, thus it wouldn't be fatal, but it would pierce him just as easily. If a proportionately sized pillar was thrown at Cronos he would have died just like Kratos did.

Again, no one is talking about the 'soul rip', I'm talking about the hooks themselves. They have weight, they have physical properties in every showing(again, there was the physically induced sound of them connecting with Kratos' flesh), and they failed to cut Kratos on the initial impact BEFORE the soul ripping attempt occured.

A flying pillar can kill Kratos but Poseidon can't in his water form? Kratos held the appendage with massive strength but the massive force pushed him. He only barely got pierced. Not a durability feat. Also, Kratos didn't land on his dead when he dropped.

Kratos also needed the Gauntlet of Zeus to kill Persephone at one point whereas now he could literally just snap her neck. 😐

Point being? Kratos got stronger, in all facets. Stupid point again.
The leg is longer than his arms and he couldn't even grab the point, he stopped nothing from hitting him.

It is a strength feat in that he was able to push back the leg of a creature that could restrain Gaia, and it was a durability feat in that Kratos got hit square in the torso by a sharp leg and all it did was push him down.

An aside again--It's sad that I even have to clarify this, but pretty much all of Kratos' big strength feats are in turn durability feats, after all you have to be durable enough to handle the stresses of the strength feat in the first place.

WTF does 'Kratos didn't land on his dead' mean anyway. He fell from a distance up Mt Olympus, landed dead flat on solid ground in the underworld and there was even a little dust up or wave when he landed. That's the end of the story.

If his hands are around the blade, than the sword isn't that sharp and relies more on force and its godly power. Everytime the sword is used to kill somebody, it pierces so the point is where the sharpness truly is. BoO is much more powerful than the Dragon Sword since it's strong enough to kill Cronos but it's nowhere as sharp. Ryu regularly slices through things with his sword and he will cut Kratos.

Except this is wrong, and I already countered your counter point here before you even made it--Kratos stopped the POINT of the blade with his bare hands too. The sharpest part of it--according to you.

Ryu ain't cutting jack. He's too weak.

That's not proof enough that Kratos was cut. He was just snatched without getting cut. You fail.

LOL typical. Now that your initial claim was proved wrong since you were obviously going off memory, its time to simply backtrack and try to deny its value.

Here's an even clearer video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piMuIIXtV2U

From 3:38 to 3:44. Atropos sneaks up from behind and grabs Kratos with her long talons and proving that it was full force, Kratos was even moved back when she slashed/clutched him. He wasn't cut by someone wielding insanely thin sword like nails whilst that person clutched him with those full force and even restrained him for a few seconds. Ryu has no hope. Ryu isn't as strong as Atropos, he has no hope of restraining him for even a few seconds like Atropos did.

You self owned your self by starting this failed tirade. Your argument was weak from the start and the terrible rebuttles proves your weakened resolve on this stance. You are ****ing owned.

Oh hey Allankles, feeling brave now?

CC, Hades' blades have proven capable of becoming immaterial and passing through solid matter as well as serving as physical weapons. Those things are built for stealing souls by becoming immaterial. At the same time, they can also strike people and hurt them physically.

There are still durability feats for Kratos; Hades was able to rip open part of the arena with the hooks, and Kratos no doubt gets hit by the blades in their battle. I sincerely doubt someone like Kratos could completely avoid those weapons in a fight, given the mastery Hades displays with them.

That initial attack that led to the soul-rip didn't look like a physical attack, as he attempted to take Kratos' soul from the start; as opposed to Kratos, who hurt Hades physically first, and then attempted to rip his soul (there was no blood when Kratos used the second hook).
I will admit that it (Hades' attack) was a little too fast for me to properly tell though.

As for the Leviathan feat, it does indeed look like the Leviathan's leg manages to strike Kratos.

No DP, the blades have not shown to go completely immaterial, they can attack an immaterial thing such as a soul, but my argument was that they can not 'harmlessly' pass through anything without physical contact first.

Which is what happens. The hooks hit Kratos, a fleshy sound is made upon contact, and THEN they phase through to grab his soul. That's what I've been saying the whole time, the initial impact, which was physical, did not cut Kratos.

And no watch again, there was blood both times Kratos striked Hades with the hooks.

Originally posted by CosmicComet

You moron. Hades hooked into Cronos and Atlas the same way Kratos hooked into Hades. What is this designation of the action from the same weapon being called a 'soul rip', when in every canonical use the very point of the weapon's ability is that it physically connects with an opponent to ensue a 'soul rip'. Every one of its uses has been a 'soul rip'. Fact of the matter is the blades have consistently shown physical properties, even in its use against Kratos there was the sound of the blades physically connecting with Kratos' flesh.

The soul rip is not a physical attack. If it was and it couldn't cut Kratos, it wouldn't pull out his soul. For one, the Claws didn't even cut him when Hades appeared. Gameplay usage against enemies isn't even the same soul rip. All it's doing is a weaker form of Hades' Souls from GoW1.

Your argument hinges on the fact that there wasn't some minor visual aid of blood in the Cronos/Atlas piercing scene--despite the fact that the hooks are absolutely minuscule in comparison to their hide and the fact that the blades still visibly pierced their flesh before Hades even began to try to pull their soul out.

The hooks were big enough to cause major bleeding. Soul-ripping isn't physical.

LOL what a pathetic abandonment of logic again. Yes, Kratos by feats is more durable than the Titans. He tanked a Zeus lightning bolt that severed Gaia's arm.

Gaia doesn't = Cronos. Cronos was the king of the Titans for a good reason and that's because he's the most powerful of them all. Also, Gaia wouldn't be able to create the same earthquakes as Atlas and he would have to be physically strongest as he's able to lift the world. Plus, he's able to withstand the heat of Tartarus.

He shook off a white energy blast that would have destroyed a formation of onyx crystals from Zeus later in the game. The difference is Cronos is BIGGER than Kratos, not that he's more durable than Kratos. That pillar would have been very tiny in comparison to Cronos, thus it wouldn't be fatal, but it would pierce him just as easily. If a proportionately sized pillar was thrown at Cronos he would have died just like Kratos did.

While it's impressive that Kratos took a blow from Cestus, it takes some hits to pulverize onyx. Kratos was smashed by the Colossus and was close to death. Cronos would've survived getting his guts spilled out. Cronos > Kratos.

Again, no one is talking about the 'soul rip', I'm talking about the hooks themselves. They have weight, they have physical properties in every showing(again, there was the physically induced sound of them connecting with Kratos' flesh), and they failed to cut Kratos on the initial impact BEFORE the soul ripping attempt occured.

The fact that it failed to cut proved that soul-ripping isn't physical. A weapon made for a god of the dead is expected to have spiritual properties.

Kratos also needed the Gauntlet of Zeus to kill Persephone at one point whereas now he could literally just snap her neck. 😐

He hasn't done anything like to any of the gods in GoW3 except for Hermes but he is weaker than Persephone and lacked much offense. Hera is also weak and did nothing to protect herself.

Point being? Kratos got stronger, in all facets. Stupid point again.
The leg is longer than his arms and he couldn't even grab the point, he stopped nothing from hitting him.

Kratos prevented himself from being crushed by Cronos. He can prevent a giant crab leg from piercing him.

It is a strength feat in that he was able to push back the leg of a creature that could restrain Gaia, and it was a durability feat in that Kratos got hit square in the torso by a sharp leg and all it did was push him down.

He never got pierced.

WTF does 'Kratos didn't land on his dead' mean anyway. He fell from a distance up Mt Olympus, landed dead flat on solid ground in the underworld and there was even a little dust up or wave when he landed. That's the end of the story.

This is why I hate typos. I meant HEAD.

Except this is wrong, and I already countered your counter point here before you even made it--Kratos stopped the POINT of the blade with his bare hands too. The sharpest part of it--according to you.

Kratos wasn't even touching the point. Otherwise, he would be dead.

Ryu ain't cutting jack. He's too weak.

Ryu's sword isn't weak and is capable of cutting werewolves who can resist normal swords. Ryu's sword regularly chops up foes and decapitates. It's a divine weapon and will cut Kratos. The BoO uses mostly weight, godly power, and piercing as it's offenses. The Dragon Sword is much sharper than BoO.

LOL typical. Now that your initial claim was proved wrong since you were obviously going off memory, its time to simply backtrack and try to deny its value.

Here's an even clearer video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piMuIIXtV2U

From 3:38 to 3:44. Atropos sneaks up from behind and grabs Kratos with her long talons and proving that it was full force, Kratos was even moved back when she slashed/clutched him. He wasn't cut by someone wielding insanely thin sword like nails whilst that person clutched him with those full force and even restrained him for a few seconds.

Atropos didn't cut Kratos. She was only pulling him with her.

Ryu has no hope. Ryu isn't as strong as Atropos, he has no hope of restraining him for even a few seconds like Atropos did.

Ryu would kill Atropos and fought things worse than her. Ryu has cut hard-skinned werewolves and airships with his sword. He will put up a fight with Kratos (unless he has hope) especially since he tanked explosions and is fast enough to block bullets.

You self owned your self by starting this failed tirade. Your argument was weak from the start and the terrible rebuttles proves your weakened resolve on this stance. You are ****ing owned.

😆 😆

You ****ing wish.

Surprise! Was turning in some homework. And yep. More weaksauce.

The soul rip is not a physical attack. If it was and it couldn't cut Kratos, it wouldn't pull out his soul. For one, the Claws didn't even cut him when Hades appeared. Gameplay usage against enemies isn't even the same soul rip. All it's doing is a weaker form of Hades' Souls from GoW1

Once again, absolutely no one is talking about the soul rip. I am talking about the blades. They've cut/pierced, everything, they've ever come in contact with in canon, the one exception was Kratos himself.

It pierced Cronos and Atlas. Cronos particularly was in physical pain while Hades was dragging him around while holding the chains from the back. Hell, Cronos was trying to PULL the chains out too, hard to do with a weapon that supposedly isn't doing anything physical is it?

Hades also cut a swath through the middle of the arena opening up a river.

Kratos also cut Hades twice when trying to rip his soul out.

The only thing. It. Failed. To. Cut. Was. Kratos. And that was when the blades physically connected with Kratos' flesh on the initial impact--confirmed by an audible sound that you will never be able to debunk because intangible things don't make sounds against physical objects.

You got absolutely nothing going on for you but wanton speculation you nitwit.

The hooks were big enough to cause major bleeding. Soul-ripping isn't physical.

Your argument that there was 'no blood' is heavily flawed at best--much less a confirmation that the hooks somehow aren't physical. lmao.

A picture of the size of the hooks relative to Atlas for amusement.

Actual people can be hooked through the chest with no bleeding. Let alone by pricks that small.

Gaia doesn't = Cronos. Cronos was the king of the Titans for a good reason and that's because he's the most powerful of them all. Also, Gaia wouldn't be able to create the same earthquakes as Atlas and he would have to be physically strongest as he's able to lift the world. Plus, he's able to withstand the heat of Tartarus.

A weak argument as Cronos has absolutely no durability feats to put him about Gaia. Being that they are the same size and of the same race, equality is the only thing we can bestow them. Cronos could be cut by Kratos' blades of exile, just as Gaia could be cut by Kratos' blades of athena. Gaia's hand also fell to Tartarus where Cronos was, and it was intact. The heat argument is nulled thus.

What does Atlas have to do with this? And what do those craters he was making when punching the ground have to do with Gaia? (Not that it has a place in this argument, but there's no logical reason why Gaia couldn't do that also.)

While it's impressive that Kratos took a blow from Cestus, it takes some hits to pulverize onyx. Kratos was smashed by the Colossus and was close to death. Cronos would've survived getting his guts spilled out. Cronos > Kratos.

It takes some hits to pulverize onyx, but it was pulverized by the Cestus specifically. That means the Cestus was even harder than the Onyx it was being swung at. Zeus energy blast broke Kratos' Cestus.
It would have broken Onyx formations just as easily thus. All it did to Kratos was make him dizzy.

What does the Colossus thing have to do with here? Kratos' durability has been upped even since God of War 2 as EVERY single durability feat of his I posted in the respect thread shows.

Cronos would NOT have survived a pillar that was wide as his torso being thrown at him--which is what happened to Kratos in GoW1. The prospect of Cronos POSSIBLY surviving while holding his intestines back in (people have done this) after a cut that wasn't even that big relative to his size, is not a durability feat. A survivability feat maybe, if he actually could, but not a durability feat.
Cronos is a being of magic after all, he could have repaired himself.

The fact that it failed to cut proved that soul-ripping isn't physical. A weapon made for a god of the dead is expected to have spiritual properties.

This hooks are physical, determined time and time again. And no strawmans here you nitwit. No one said the weapons didn't have 'spiritual' properties. However, there is someone here (namely you and Allankles) who are dumb enough to imply that it doesn't have basic PHYSICAL properties upon usage as well--despite EVERY single canon usage of it showing physical properties.

He hasn't done anything like to any of the gods in GoW3 except for Hermes but he is weaker than Persephone and lacked much offense. Hera is also weak and did nothing to protect herself.

LOL. You honestly don't even believe in your argument anymore if you want to make such a point. You truly don't. Let's destroy this.

He was able to physically stun and knock around Poseidon's giant water form easily in a QTE. He twisted Poseidon's neck after he was knocked out of his water form. He physically MANHANDLED Hades throughout their entire fight, able to grapple with him in close quarters, beat him in a tug of war and then crash his head on the ceiling several times, he even smashed his head down in his giant form after hooking him. He ripped off Helios head. He pushed up Cronos' entire hand after he tried to crush him in between his palms. He sent Zeus FLYING with a straight punch to the jaw.

...Need I go on? Kratos can harm and kill gods by virtue of his own abilities now. He doesn't need a Pandora' Box or Zeus' gauntlet to do it. My god, I'm still cracking up that you would even try to argue this. My appraisal of your intelligence falls ever lower.

Kratos prevented himself from being crushed by Cronos. He can prevent a giant crab leg from piercing him.

The leviathan was shown to be strong enough to pull down several titans from the mountain, it restrained Gaia quite easily, and it even blocked a punch from Gaia.

That means the Cronos and Leviathan feats are of a comparable level anyway. You fail.

He never got pierced.

This is why I hate typos. I meant HEAD.

Kratos wasn't even touching the point. Otherwise, he would be dead.

He was holding back the edge of the blade at the top by his bare hands. Now you are just being dishonest with the same ****ing video you posted.

Ryu's sword isn't weak and is capable of cutting werewolves who can resist normal swords. Ryu's sword regularly chops up foes and decapitates. It's a divine weapon and will cut Kratos. The BoO uses mostly weight, godly power, and piercing as it's offenses. The Dragon Sword is much sharper than BoO.

Never played NG2, that's where the werewolves come from right? Anyway, not impressive enough.

Ryu is millions of times weaker than Kratos and the foes he faces. Is the Dragon Sword thousands/millions of times sharper than the bladed weapons that failed to cut Kratos in order to compensate for that astronomical strength differential? Of course not. Hell, its not sharper at all. It took much longer to cut through a mere airplane's wing than it should have.There is not a single indictment against the BoO's sharpness either when it is the ONLY bladed weapon shown capable of cutting Kratos at all post God of War 2. Atropos' claws are sharper looking than the BoO and the Dragon Sword, they couldn't cut him. Hades' hooks are sharper looking than the BoO and the Dragon Sword, and it couldn't cut him either.

Atropos didn't cut Kratos. She was only pulling him with her.

A weak and dishonest appraisal of a very clear video. Atropos did something much worse than a mere horizontal or vertical slash that Ryu can muster.

Atropos slashed Kratos from behind, closed her grip around his midsection with her multiple nearly 7ft long bladed talons, and then pulled him in and restrained him for a few seconds.

There was even a fleshy, cutting sound when she grabbed him, confirming its intent as a bladed attack.Only a dishonest nitwit would try to say that wasn't an edged weapon durability feat.

Ryu would kill Atropos and fought things worse than her. Ryu has cut hard-skinned werewolves and airships with his sword. He will put up a fight with Kratos (unless he has hope) especially since he tanked explosions and is fast enough to block bullets.

Ryu has absolutely NO chance against Atropos. She is fast, she can teleport, she can go intangible, she is super durable, she is strong enough to restrain Kratos briefly with just one hand and she has massive regeneration. Kratos stabbed Atropos in the HEAD and all it did was stun her momentarily.

Ryu hasn't tanked a single explosion of note, that volcano thing that people try to bring up, didn't even show to hit him. He seemed to be below the blast radius.

laughing laughing You ****ing wish.

Originally posted by CosmicComet

Once again, absolutely no one is talking about the soul rip. I am talking about the blades. They've cut/pierced, everything, they've ever come in contact with in canon, the one exception was Kratos himself.

I'm aware that the Claws done physical damage but that's not the case with the soul rip.

It pierced Cronos and Atlas. Cronos particularly was in physical pain while Hades was dragging him around while holding the chains from the back. Hell, Cronos was trying to PULL the chains out too, hard to do with a weapon that supposedly isn't doing anything physical is it?

Who's to say getting the soul ripped isn't painful? Besides if there was physical damage, we'd see skin being ripped out.

Kratos also cut Hades twice when trying to rip his soul out.

He was weakening Hades so he'll have a harder time resisting the soul rip. After Kratos rips his head open, there is no additional damage when the second Claw latches on and the soul rip begins.

The only thing. It. Failed. To. Cut. Was. Kratos. And that was when the blades physically connected with Kratos' flesh on the initial impact--confirmed by an audible sound that you will never be able to debunk because intangible things don't make sounds against physical objects.

You got absolutely nothing going on for you but wanton speculation you nitwit.

I could say the same for you.

No. The hooks are physical. Cronos interacted with them physically, trying to pull them off, and Hades physically controlled both Cronos and Atlas while they were hooked in. He brought Cronos to his knees and turned Atlas around after hooking him. (Atlas' attention was toward Poseidon behind him) He is able to this all because his weapons were physically anchoring onto both of them.

The weapon is physical but the damage done isn't. That's why there is no blood or skin torn off.

Your argument that there was 'no blood' is heavily flawed at best--much less a confirmation that the hooks somehow aren't physical. lmao.

No blood shown proves that there is no physical damage.

A picture of the size of the hooks relative to Atlas for amusement.

Actual people can be hooked through the chest with no bleeding. Let alone by pricks that small.

So Hades Claws' automatically latches unto the parts of the body that don't bleed? Laughable 😆

A weak argument as Cronos has absolutely no durability feats to put him about Gaia. Being that they are the same size and of the same race, equality is the only thing we can bestow them. Cronos could be cut by Kratos' blades of exile, just as Gaia could be cut by Kratos' blades of athena. Gaia's hand also fell to Tartarus where Cronos was, and it was intact. The heat argument is nulled thus.

What does Atlas have to do with this? And what do those craters he was making when punching the ground have to do with Gaia? (Not that it has a place in this argument, but there's no logical reason why Gaia couldn't do that also.)

So by your logic, Atlas and Cronos can heal Kratos from the dead and contact him via the mind. Also Gaia can teach Kratos Cronos Rage and Atlas Quake. Plus, all the Titans can use water properties like Oceanus.

No, all Titans have different abilities. Most aren't shown (like Cronos power of lightining which he gave to Kratos in GoW2).

Originally posted by CosmicComet

Cronos would NOT have survived a pillar that was wide as his torso being thrown at him--which is what happened to Kratos in GoW1. The prospect of Cronos POSSIBLY surviving while holding his intestines back in (people have done this) after a cut that wasn't even that big relative to his size, is not a durability feat. A survivability feat maybe, if he actually could, but not a durability feat.
Cronos is a being of magic after all, he could have repaired himself.

According to your last sentence, Cronos would survive the pillar.

This hooks are physical, determined time and time again. And no strawmans here you nitwit. No one said the weapons didn't have 'spiritual' properties. However, there is someone here (namely you and Allankles) who are dumb enough to imply that it doesn't have basic PHYSICAL properties upon usage as well--despite EVERY single canon usage of it showing physical properties.

The weapon is physical but is capable of dealing non-physical damage. That's the soul rip. Don't try using Hades as your example because Kratos was trying to rip his head open before the soul rip (which didn't add more physical damage).

Now you are just being hilarious. Trying to demean a feat with faulty name calling. Twas a horse crab snake water hybrid of some sort, hardly a mere 'crab'. 😉

They were still giant crab legs.

The leviathan was shown to be strong enough to pull down several titans from the mountain, it restrained Gaia quite easily, and it even blocked a punch from Gaia.

That means the Cronos and Leviathan feats are of a comparable level anyway. You fail.

I doubt Gaia and Cronos have the same strength. By your logic, Gaia could've taught Kratos Cronos' Rage and Atlas' Quake.
And of course the Leviathan is gonna have major advantage. The titans were trying to climb the mountain and they're going to be easier to hurt. If this were to take place in the ground, Leviathan would have a harder time.

By virtue of his durability. He got hit squarely, but he was not pierced because he was durable enough.

If he got hit, he would be flying.

All he hit was his back against the olympian pillar anyway. Besides, this continues to be stupid from your part. Does only his head have blood to spurt out anyway? Of course not.

Other parts of his body did spurt blood at different times (pillar throw, beatdown by Zeus, failed QTEs, etc.) Why did blood gush out during that? Are walls more powerful than godly weapons and giant crab legs? I'll answer that for you:

Your durability feats are BS.

He was holding back the edge of the blade at the top by his bare hands. Now you are just being dishonest with the same ****ing video you posted.

I doubt the edge is that sharp. After all, it's never chopped things in half. It only does damage via piercing or weight. It's the Blades of Chaos/Athena/Exile that does the chopping.

Never played NG2, that's where the werewolves come from right? Anyway, not impressive enough.

YouTube video
0:17
Werewolf resists getting cut by a sword

1:50
Ryu chops one in half.

Ryu is millions of times weaker than Kratos and the foes he faces. Is the Dragon Sword thousands/millions of times sharper than the bladed weapons that failed to cut Kratos in order to compensate for that astronomical strength differential? Of course not.

Ryu has survived being in explosions. No way is he as weak you're claiming. Sure he doesn't have the physical strength but he does his damage from the weapons he use.

The Dragon Sword has proven to be sharper than all of Kratos' weapons especially since it can cut through airships. It's a divine weapon with magical abilities.

Hell, its not sharper at all. It took much longer to cut through a mere airplane's wing than it should have.

YouTube video

At least Ryu's Dragon Sword has cutting feats. The fact that it can cut through airships and sword-resistant werewolves unlike GoW's lack of sharp weapon feats proves that the Dragon Sword is sharper.

There is not a single indictment against the BoO's sharpness either when it is the ONLY bladed weapon shown capable of cutting Kratos at all post God of War 2. Atropos' claws are sharper looking than the BoO and the Dragon Sword, they couldn't cut him. Hades' hooks are sharper looking than the BoO and the Dragon Sword, and it couldn't cut him either.

Atropos claws are featless. Hades Claws didn't cut him in the Soul Rip but do in gameplay.

A weak and dishonest appraisal of a very clear video. Atropos did something much worse than a mere horizontal or vertical slash that Ryu can muster.

Atropos slashed Kratos from behind, [b]closed her grip around his midsection with her multiple nearly 7ft long bladed talons, and then pulled him in and restrained him for a few seconds.

There was even a fleshy, cutting sound when she grabbed him, confirming its intent as a bladed attack.Only a dishonest nitwit would try to say that wasn't an edged weapon durability feat.[/B]

There was no blood. Don't give me BS. GoW isn't afraid to show spilled guts and nipples. They would show blood when a wound appears. Kratos got slammed into a wall and blood gushed out. Being scratched won't especially since the Sirens do that? Kratos was grabbed.

Ryu has absolutely NO chance against Atropos. She is fast, she can teleport, she can go intangible, she is super durable, she is strong enough to restrain Kratos briefly with just one hand and she has massive regeneration. Kratos stabbed Atropos in the HEAD and all it did was stun her momentarily.

Ryu has fought deadlier opponents: The Four Fiends, Vigoor Emperor, Dagra Dai, the Archfiend, and Doku. But he's gonna have problems dealing with somebody who pales in comparison with them.

She is fast? Ryu regularly fights ninjas faster than her. Teleport? He's dealt with that. Intangible? Since when does she become intangible? Super Durable? So are the fiends. Strong enough to restrain Kratos? Kratos broke out of her grasp easily.

Ryu hasn't tanked a single explosion of note, that volcano thing that people try to bring up, didn't even show to hit him. He seemed to be below the blast radius.

No, I ****ing know. It was very amusing destroying your mindless drivel. 😆

All that GoW has made you so hard-headed.

As far as Ryu tanking explosions, what about when you fight the volcano lava monsters, each one you kill creates a super massive explosion and you're right there for it...

I see you are conveniently failing to answer all my relevant points and just keep repeating yourself.

I'm aware that the Claws done physical damage but that's not the case with the soul rip.

Except I'm not talking about the soul rip, nitwit. Once again, I'm talking, about the initial impact. It's physical by EVERY single feat the initial contact has shown.

Who's to say getting the soul ripped isn't painful? Besides if there was physical damage, we'd see skin being ripped out.

Terrible. There is physical pain and physical manipulation from an object of physical properties. Skin not being ripped out would be a durability feat for the titans.

He was weakening Hades so he'll have a harder time resisting the soul rip. After Kratos rips his head open, there is no additional damage when the second Claw latches on and the soul rip begins.

Watch again fool.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RajmanGamingHD#p/u/96/ryxvCruyFKo
There is a splatter of blood when he first hooks him at 9:48, and then another splatter of blood when he hooks him with the other one at 9:55.

Your 'no blood' argument was debunked long ago.

I could say the same for you.

You can't because I'm the one with the showings on my side. I have videos of Hades physically controlling titans using the hooks as an anchor, I have videos of Hades cutting a swath through an arena with the hooks, I have a video of the hooks making a physically induced sound when connecting with Kratos flesh, I have a video of blood coming out each time that Kratos hooks Hades, which in turn debunked your 'no blood' argument for Cronos and Atlas.

The weapon is physical but the damage done isn't. That's why there is no blood or skin torn off.

Except the initial damage IS physical. It pierced Cronos and Atlas skin and was effective as anchors for physically manipulating them.
And it caused blood to spurt out against Hades when Kratos hooked into him the first and second time.

Kratos not being cut is a durability feat. That's the whole ****ing point of this argument.

No blood shown proves that there is no physical damage.

No blood shown shows only that there was no blood. Nothing more.
Visually piercing into the skin and being able to manipulate a physical body shows physicality. And the fact that it shows blood splattering when Kratos hooks into Hades both times makes your argument obsolete. All we can surmise by showings is that the hooks weren't deep enough to cause bleeding for Cronos and Atlas.

So Hades Claws' automatically latches unto the parts of the body that don't bleed? Laughable laughing

So by your logic, Atlas and Cronos can heal Kratos from the dead and contact him via the mind. Also Gaia can teach Kratos Cronos Rage and Atlas Quake. Plus, all the Titans can use water properties like Oceanus. No, all Titans have different abilities. Most aren't shown (like Cronos power of lightining which he gave to Kratos in GoW2).

K. Except all Atlas was doing was punching the ground really hard.

Still, this has nothing to do with anything relevant to the thread so lets move on.

According to your last sentence, Cronos would survive the pillar.

Except nowhere did I say that a titan could survive losing vital organs, (and by feats they can't), which a massive pillar throw would do.

The weapon is physical but is capable of dealing non-physical damage. That's the soul rip. Don't try using Hades as your example because Kratos was trying to rip his head open before the soul rip (which didn't add more physical damage).

'Trying to rip his head open'? What?

He did no such thing. Hades' head already looks like that. All Kratos did was slam his head down a couple of times. The fact of the matter is that Kratos made Hades bleed with BOTH hooks.
Hades was incapable of making Kratos bleed on the other hand with the initial strike. Which logically was physical-- as was confirmed by the sound of impact.

They were still giant crab legs.

I doubt Gaia and Cronos have the same strength. By your logic, Gaia could've taught Kratos Cronos' Rage and Atlas' Quake.
And of course the Leviathan is gonna have major advantage. The titans were trying to climb the mountain and they're going to be easier to hurt. If this were to take place in the ground, Leviathan would have a harder time.

Hades was able to control Cronos and Atlas with some leverage advantage on level ground. Thus, Poseidon, whose body the leviathans were apart of, could have restrained those titans and Gaia on level ground as well.

Just one of the Leviathans was still able to catch a punch from Gaia, and they physically were able to hurt her everytime they latched onto her head. Them being on a mountain is irrelevant to this. The Leviathans are that strong.

If he got hit, he would be flying.

Other parts of his body did spurt blood at different times (pillar throw, beatdown by Zeus, failed QTEs, etc.) Why did blood gush out during that? Are walls more powerful than godly weapons and giant crab legs? I'll answer that for you: Your durability feats are BS.

Pillar throw--from God of War 1. Irrelevant to here.
Beatdown by Zeus? It's ****ing Zeus.
Failed QTEs? Not canon.

My God this is getting comical.

Are walls more powerful than godly weapons? Why would you try to set up such a stupid strawman question anyway? Who is talking about normal 'walls' anyway? I answered this for you already. Olympian Stone is amazingly hard and solid by feats. And Kratos didn't bleed when jumping all the way down to the underworld. It's either a testament for the constitution of an Olympian Stone pillar or an inconsistency based on other blunt force showings. Your call.

I doubt the edge is that sharp. After all, it's never chopped things in half. It only does damage via piercing or weight. It's the Blades of Chaos/Athena/Exile that does the chopping.

Again with the weak qualifiers. 'I doubt'. I don't doubt or speculate on anything. I simply know what I'm arguing for.
The BoO was the only weapon shown to cut Kratos post GoW2, who cares if its more about the weight and power behind it? It would easily cut through anything, absolutely ANYTHING the Dragon Sword wielded by a guy as comparatively weak as Ryu could cut through.

Hell, it cuts through Gaia whose made of solid stone, it cuts through titans in general, who are up at least billions of times (not an exaggeration) stronger than any being in the Ninja Gaiden/DOA universe. Logically they have to have the durability to match their strength, otherwise their body would simply fall apart.

0:17 Werewolf resists getting cut by a sword 1:50 Ryu chops one in half.

Ryu has survived being in explosions. No way is he as weak you're claiming. Sure he doesn't have the physical strength but he does his damage from the weapons he use. The Dragon Sword has proven to be sharper than all of Kratos' weapons especially since it can cut through airships. It's a divine weapon with magical abilities.

What explosions again? Show me a cutscene. And that Volcano one isn't acceptable. And yes, he's every bit the millions of times weaker that I said he is. And none of his weapons have gone through anything that the weapons in God of War wouldn't absolutely cut through like a hot knife through butter.

The titans are more durable than anyone in Ninja Gaiden, and the weapons in GoW are able to cut them.

It cut through a medium sized aircraft's wing (i.e. the thinnest part of the craft) and it took a half a second longer than any weapon in God of War would have taken. Kratos in God of War 2 cut through a link in one of the chains holding Atlas. Granted, it was kinda rusty, but it was at least an order of magnitude thicker than that aircraft's wing. Kratos is also able to scale a giant metal chain in God of War 3, using only his blades of exile for scaling up it. Had no problem piercing through it. The weapons in GoW cut through far tougher things than absolutely ANYTHING Ryu has had to cut through, you know this.

Face it, the feats aren't your side for this one. Stop wanking the True Dragon Sword just because its shaped like a katana(overrated swords anyway), and stop touting pointless titles such as 'mystical', 'magical', 'made by gods'. Because the same goes for the God of War weapons. And they cut through things far tougher, and even then, Kratos is quite cut resistant to them.

At least Ryu's Dragon Sword has cutting feats. The fact that it can cut through airships and sword-resistant werewolves unlike GoW's lack of sharp weapon feats proves that the Dragon Sword is sharper.

See above. This is absolutely fallacious. Even if the Dragon Sword was sharper (it's not even close), it wouldn't be sharp enough to somehow make up for blades being swung by people literally millions of times stronger than Ryu.

Atropos claws are featless. Hades Claws didn't cut him in the Soul Rip but do in gameplay.

But Atropos' claws aren't normal blades, that much is evident. And they aren't being wielded by someone with a mere human's strength level either. It's being wielded by someone strong enough to hold on to Kratos on two different occassions.

Hades claws didn't cut him in a canon cutscene so why the hell are you bringing up gameplay anyway? Stupid.

There was no blood. Don't give me BS. GoW isn't afraid to show spilled guts and nipples. They would show blood when a wound appears. Kratos got slammed into a wall and blood gushed out. Being scratched won't especially since the Sirens do that? Kratos was grabbed.

Bringing up the walls shit again. Moron. Addressed that far before.

They show blood all the time yes, especially gameplay, but when they don't show blood, in a cutscene nonetheless, in a situation, that you think would call for it...you know what that becomes? *GASP* I know! It becomes a FEAT for the character in question.

It's a grab. Yeah. I said that. It's also a grab in which a person with multiple 7 foot long completely flat talons swiped someone from behind, tightened their grip around his midsection with said talons, and then PULLED HIM IN with said talons.

How could you be stupid enough to do deny a clear feat like that?

Ryu has fought deadlier opponents: The Four Fiends, Vigoor Emperor, Dagra Dai, the Archfiend, and Doku. But he's gonna have problems dealing with somebody who pales in comparison with them. She is fast? Ryu regularly fights ninjas faster than her. Teleport? He's dealt with that. Intangible? Since when does she become intangible? Super Durable? So are the fiends. Strong enough to restrain Kratos? Kratos broke out of her grasp easily.

Now you are just pointlessly bringing up a ton of names as if its supposed to be impressive. Atropos is above all of them.

And Ryu has absolutely no way killing Atropos at all. Kratos, who is MILLIONS of times stronger than Ryu, with a weapon SHARPER than the dragon sword, STABBED Atropos in the frigging head, and all it did was knock her out momentarily.

And yes she can phase through floors. And Atropos also grabbed Kratos and held on to him before the video I posted as well. It was not easy for Kratos to get out of her grip.

All that GoW has made you so hard-headed.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
As expected, you had absolutely no worthwhile rebuttle and have become limited to weak few line responses, seeing as I've covered every aspect of your flawed argument, this does not come as a surprise.

I get tired arguing with people who refuse to reason logically. Just because you're committed to your stance on Kratos invulnerability vs Ryu doesn't mean you shouldn't use reason.

There's no logical way the blades of Hades would have yanked out Kratos, Atlas or Hades souls without phasing through their bodies. That's the whole damn point of the blades.

You arguments are simply all over the place. If you actually have a legitimate counter argument, do you need to resort to walls of text? some of us don't have that kind of stamina to waste on this forums.