Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
It's not even shown what even happened in the castle. From what it looked like, they clashed causing the place to explode. That doesn't mean it's more powerful than Ultima or Apocalypse (which was invented by Ultimecia in her final form). And the castle explosion put both Ganondorf and Midna out of their spiritual forms. It's also worth noting that Midna was unharmed as well. Does that mean she's uber too?
She probably is, being the leader of the twilight people. But who cares? You dodging the point. Ganon wasn't harmed by that incredibly powerful magic. There is no escaping that point.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Only before she became a sorceress and before she had Adel's power.
She never got stronger after getting her power, as I remember. Maybe this was because she didn't know how to use it, I don't know, it doesn't matter. Adel's power is not shown to be stronger than Ganondorf.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The GFs are stronger than those weak light beasts and the knights of Hyrule who had no Master Sword. GFs make ordinary people into superhumans by giveing them magic.
Yeah, because I'll say it ONE MORE TIME. The knights and the sages ARE NOT MORE POWERFUL THAN GANON. They simply sealed him away, that doesn't mean they are more powerful. Besides, here we go again with your blatant lack of evidence and baseless assertions.
Why are the GFs stronger than the light spirits? As I remember, two people took down Ifrit, and that was a test that everyone had to do. That means, that every member of SeeD takes out Ifrit as a little field test. Yeah, he's looking real powerful to me right now.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The FF8 party conists of a group of mercenaries (one of them who has superstrength and another that's a blue magician), a sharpshooter, and a sorceress with a powerful dog. They all have GFs on their side and can use magic. That's a lot better than a group of sages that only has a minority with any combat experience (assuming you're talking about the OoT sages).
Sure, if you're talking in terms of fighting ability. The sages don't do that. I've been trying to explain this to you but you simply don't seem to be getting it. The sages sealed Ganon away because they have the ability to do that. They are not more powerful than Ganon, they simply have the useful ability of having a sealing spell. The FF party does not, so they are left up to beating him simply by brute force. The two situations are completely differant, and so you cannot show the FF8 parties dominance over Ganon by showing they can fight better than the sages.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The GFs are stronger than the Master Sword. The only thing the Master Sword has over it is reflecting magic and protection from curses and TK.
WOW. Here we go again. You know what? I'm going to play by your rules from now on, hows that?
Ganon is stronger than all GFs. Ganon is more powerful than the FF8 party.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Oh it would do something: stun Ganondorf with enough time for anyone to unleash a Limit Break.
Ganon is stronger than Holy. Ganon is stronger than Limit Breaks.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
They fought some of Ultimecia's minions with their abilities sealed (no magic, no GFs, just the weapons they hold). There's also Omega Weapon and Ultimecia herself.
Ganon is stronger than Ultimicia's minions. Ganon is stronger than Omega weapon. Ganon is stronger than Ultimicia.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
No different from Ultimecia possessing Edea and Adel across time.
Ganon is stronger than possessing Edea and Adel across time.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Reflect solves the problem.
Ganon is stronger than reflect.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Holy's power isn't specified, you can't say is weak, it can be more powerful than those Light Arrows or maybe not, at least it looks more powerful. Also, how can you prove this...? I can say the same. I could say The Light Arrows wouldn't anything to the Final Fantasy party, however they can hurt Ganon. Also, Ganon can use that sword? If he can't then brining that sword is irrelevant.
If Holy hurts the FF8 party, than Light Arrows do. The point is, Holy is never shown to be anything powerful. Ever. Whereas the light arrows are canonly some of the strongest light weapons in the LoZ universe. Holy is just a spell, like any other, except it's element is light.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
What makes you think that if Adel was placed in Ganon's shoes, she wouldn't be able to do the same or better? That's a pointless question. What Sin was probably saying is that the GFs proves how strong Adel is. Not that the GFs can stop Ganon. Correct me if I'm wrong, Sin...
Sin was saying that Adel is more powerful than Ganon, and offering no evidence other than "no one could stop her for a while." He is presupposing data that isn't there. He is presupposing that GFs are more powerful than Ganon, and he is presupposing that Ganon couldn't do what she did and more. Presupposing is bad.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
That weapon is only useful against Ganon though, that weapon is nothing special outside that Universe, therefore it can be useless against Selphie. Sin posted a lot of good weapons that are more powerful, Odin's sword, Zantetsuken automatically kills all the enemies, not only one (For example), still the party defeated Odin.
That's not true, nor is it really relevant. The sword isn't what Ganon is using, it's simply showing how strong he is, by showing that he needs the strongest holy weapon the LoZ world has to offer in order to beat him.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ganondorfs twilight and possession are his only cards he can play, his physical and magical powers are inferior from the few spells listed for the FF party, little bolts wont help him. If one of the party slice him up or blast him to bits with their larger scale spells hes doomed, considering there are many of them its not likely hes going to escape.
Where did you get that idea? Have you been reading all the points made for Ganon's abilities or what? Again, Ganon took a full blast from an ancient, extremely powerful dark magic and walked away from it without so much as a limp.