Originally posted by TacDavey
Where did you get that idea? Have you been reading all the points made for Ganon's abilities or what? Again, Ganon took a full blast from an ancient, extremely powerful dark magic and walked away from it without so much as a limp.
Reading and watching the vids many times, poor logic and some fanon holds Ganon above the water and still fails.
Yes because a floating flaming head is going to limp in this ambigious scene your refering to. pretty much was Rain pointed out anyway, unless Dorf is in that form then its useless feat/assumed feat.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And we invented Midna blowing up the castle too-OHWAIT, that's also in a cutscene, damn us and our playing Zelda games. You shouldn't do that, y'know, next thing you know you're addicted to heroin.No, making an argument would be assembling something with logic that could potentially be accepted by the logical mind, not claiming down is that way ^ just because you don't like up. Your claims have all been debunked nad laughed at ad nauseum, and you can't even claim ignorance anymore. All that's left is trolling.
The master sword and light arrows smite evil, this is canon fact. Holy does not. Shame. Smiting evil = smiting Ganon, because he's evil. Just being good isn't good enough. Link's something of a paragon of selflessness, but has no luck with his fists.
Yes you did, nothing about the castle blowing up can be attributed to either one alone, there are many assumptions as the scene is ambigious.
Logic, such as using real feats rather than invented ones. You claim my claims have been debunked, i.e youve just continued to post nonsense without actually debunking anything.
Holy is still a huge ball of energy that enhanced meteor from a midgar destroying blast to a planet destroying one iirc, not sure if its the same holy as in FF8.
Originally posted by TacDavey
She probably is, being the leader of the twilight people. But who cares? You dodging the point. Ganon wasn't harmed by that incredibly powerful magic. There is no escaping that point.
And Midna was't harmed by Ganondorf's retaliation. And she doesn't have any Triforce.
She never got stronger after getting her power, as I remember. Maybe this was because she didn't know how to use it, I don't know, it doesn't matter.
The Angel Wing Limit Break displays her power as a sorceress.
Why are the GFs stronger than the light spirits? As I remember, two people took down Ifrit, and that was a test that everyone had to do. That means, that every member of SeeD takes out Ifrit as a little field test. Yeah, he's looking real powerful to me right now.
SeeD is a mercenary force created with the purpose of taking on Ultimecia in the future. It should come as no surprise that SeeD members are able to beat GFs.
WOW. Here we go again. You know what? I'm going to play by your rules from now on, hows that?Ganon is stronger than all GFs. Ganon is more powerful than the FF8 party.
Ganon is not taking down Carbuncle, Alexander, Eden, Odin, or Gilgamesh (if he's not using Excalipoor or Masamune). A number of GFs + FF8 party leaves Ganon with no hope.
Ganon is stronger than Holy. Ganon is stronger than Limit Breaks.
Holiness hurts Ganon. Limit Breaks will hurt or kill Ganon. Alexander destroys Ganon.
Ganon is stronger than Ultimicia's minions. Ganon is stronger than Omega weapon. Ganon is stronger than Ultimicia.
Omega Weapon and Ultimecia curbstomp his ass.
Ganon is stronger than possessing Edea and Adel across time.
Ganon got sealed by a group of old men and was beaten by the Master Sword despite having the full Triforce. He also gets killed permanently with the Light Arrows and without the Master Sword.
Ganon is stronger than reflect.
Reflect bounces all of Ganon's gameplay spells.
If Holy hurts the FF8 party, than Light Arrows do. The point is, Holy is never shown to be anything powerful. Ever. Whereas the light arrows are canonly some of the strongest light weapons in the LoZ universe. Holy is just a spell, like any other, except it's element is light.
Think so, huh?
FF1- Second strongest spell in the game (Flare being the first)
FF2- The only offensive White magic in the game
FF3- See above
FF4- Same as above but it's powerful
FF5- One of the sealed magics. It's just as good as in FF4
FF6- Is a mid-level magic
FF7- The most powerful spell in the game with Meteor. It's clash with Meteor destroyed Midgar.
FF8- Deals heavy damage
FF9- Can't say
FFX- See FF8
FFXI- It's a weak spell here
FFXII- Can't remember though Ultima has a much stronger one
Light Arrows only stun Ganon while the Silver Arrows (strongest arrows in the Zeldaverse) actually kill him.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Reading and watching the vids many times, poor logic and some fanon holds Ganon above the water and still fails.Yes because a floating flaming head is going to limp in this ambigious scene your refering to. pretty much was Rain pointed out anyway, unless Dorf is in that form then its useless feat/assumed feat.
You must be joking. You're not even making any sense. You know what I mean when I said "without so much as a limp." Stop playing dumb.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
And Midna was't harmed by Ganondorf's retaliation. And she doesn't have any Triforce.
You don't know what happened to Midna. All you see is him crush her little helmet thing and then at the end she's normal.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
SeeD is a mercenary force created with the purpose of taking on Ultimecia in the future. It should come as no surprise that SeeD members are able to beat GFs.
Yet they have trouble fighting normal soldiers with guns. By that logic, the soldiers can take out Ifrit as well.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Ganon is not taking down Carbuncle, Alexander, Eden, Odin, or Gilgamesh (if he's not using Excalipoor or Masamune). A number of GFs + FF8 party leaves Ganon with no hope.
Ganon is stronger than Carbuncle, Alexander, Eden, Odin and Gilgamesh.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Holiness hurts Ganon. Limit Breaks will hurt or kill Ganon. Alexander destroys Ganon.
Holy doesn't work on Ganon. Limit Breaks would only irritate him. Ganon is stronger than Alexander.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Omega Weapon and Ultimecia curbstomp his ass.
Ganon is stronger than Omega Weapon. Ganon is stronger than Ultimicia.
Getting old yet?
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Ganon got sealed by a group of old men and was beaten by the Master Sword despite having the full Triforce. He also gets killed permanently with the Light Arrows and without the Master Sword.
You don't have to be stronger than someone to seal them. You just have to have the right powers.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Reflect bounces all of Ganon's gameplay spells.
Ganon is more powerful than reflect.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Think so, huh?FF1- Second strongest spell in the game (Flare being the first)
FF2- The only offensive White magic in the game
FF3- See above
FF4- Same as above but it's powerful
FF5- One of the sealed magics. It's just as good as in FF4
FF6- Is a mid-level magic
FF7- The most powerful spell in the game with Meteor. It's clash with Meteor destroyed Midgar.
FF8- Deals heavy damage
FF9- Can't say
FFX- See FF8
FFXI- It's a weak spell here
FFXII- Can't remember though Ultima has a much stronger one
I like how all you could get for FF8 was "deals heavy damage." Which is the only one from the list that actually matters at all. Like I said. It's a spell, like any other. It just has a light element to it. Nothing special.
Originally posted by TacDavey
You must be joking. You're not even making any sense. You know what I mean when I said "without so much as a limp." Stop playing dumb.
I had to "play" dumb otherwise I would not have been able to answer your argument which was so poor itself, and no, the answer to your question was quite clever tbh but you missed it and it went over your head.
Indeed, pretty much everything is an unknown other than who won the fight and even that is questionable.
But yeh, its a useless scene and no feat. So whats Ganons next best feat? being sliced up by Link?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Nah, I was just commenting on your statement."I only pretended to be stupid 'cause you're so stupid!"
And you even quoted "play" in your sentence. It's like you don't believe you were acting.
I was just making a snarky remark tbh.
Originally posted by TacDavey
You don't know what happened to Midna. All you see is him crush her little helmet thing and then at the end she's normal.
And you don't know what happened in the castle. Ganondorf may not have been in the explosion.
Yet they have trouble fighting normal soldiers with guns. By that logic, the soldiers can take out Ifrit as well.
They beat soldiers with guns.
Ganon is stronger than Carbuncle, Alexander, Eden, Odin and Gilgamesh.
Carbuncle reflects all of Ganon's weak magic. Alexander, Eden, Odin, and Gilgamesh kill Ganon.
Holy doesn't work on Ganon. Limit Breaks would only irritate him. Ganon is stronger than Alexander.
Holy hurts Ganon. Alexander kills Ganon. So do the Limit Breaks.
Ganon is stronger than Omega Weapon. Ganon is stronger than Ultimicia.
Omega Weapon causes more damage than Ganon's magic. Ultimecia is above Adel whose above Ganon. Ganon dies to Silver Arrows.
Ganon is more powerful than reflect.
Reflect bounces all of Ganon's gameplay spells.
I like how all you could get for FF8 was "deals heavy damage." Which is the only one from the list that actually matters at all. Like I said. It's a spell, like any other. It just has a light element to it. Nothing special.
Light Arrows have a light element to it. Stuns Ganondorf.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Indeed, pretty much everything is an unknown other than who won the fight and even that is questionable.
Drawing conclusions from given information and making stuff up are two very different things. The scene in question gives sufficient infomation for an informed conclusion. We are using what happened, your argument is based on what could have happened.
But yeh, its a useless scene and no feat. So whats Ganons next best feat? being sliced up by Link?
Yes. It is quite clearly seen that Ganon's body disintegrated before his flaming body appeared. After the explosion, Ganondorf is back without a scrath on him. What can the party do when destroying Ganondorf's body won't put him down?
I was just making a snarky remark tbh.
Then please stop. It looks too much like trolling.
Originally posted by Sin VolvagiaAnd you don't know what happened in the castle. Ganondorf may not have been in the explosion.
This is a guess at best. "May not" does not invalidate the feat, nor make a proper argument. Prove that Ganondorf was not in the castle. All evidence points to the fact that Maidna struck Ganondorf and the castle exploded, and a simple "may not" will not change that.
The rest of the post is ad infinitum and completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Please, if you wish to make a claim, back it up with feats and evidence. Until this is done, the thread will continue to stagnate with the constant "no u" flying around. TacDavey, if you could stop as well, that'd be great.
The simple fact here is that Ganondorf has more feats and evidence backing him up than the FF8 party does. Ganondorf will win if this lack of argument for FF continues.
The flaming head is currently featless except for the Castle explosion. We're not entirely sure what it can do.
Only other time it appears is 2:41
And Midna was't harmed by Ganondorf's retaliation. And she doesn't have any Triforce.What retaliation? I didn't see any. The only attack we see is hers.
The Angel Wing Limit Break displays her power as a sorceress.So... Totally featless? Gotcha.
SeeD is a mercenary force created with the purpose of taking on Ultimecia in the future. It should come as no surprise that SeeD members are able to beat GFs.Got any feats outside vague intentions and a pile of speculation and assumption?
Ganon is not taking down Carbuncle, Alexander, Eden, Odin, or Gilgamesh (if he's not using Excalipoor or Masamune). A number of GFs + FF8 party leaves Ganon with no hope.I see no evidence, again. GJ.
Holiness hurts Ganon. Limit Breaks will hurt or kill Ganon. Alexander destroys Ganon.All of them featless, unlike the light arrows/master sword, and none of them smite evil, unlike the light arrows/master sword.
Omega Weapon and Ultimecia curbstomp his ass.No evidence...
Ganon got sealed by a group of old men and was beaten by the Master Sword despite having the full Triforce. He also gets killed permanently with the Light Arrows and without the Master Sword.The master sword is a direct failsafe to the entire triforce, as stated directly in aLttP, good job. Also, Link had the master sword in LoZ, Zelda.com is on my side.
Reflect bounces all of Ganon's gameplay spells.Reflect, unlike Ganon, is featless. Island busting > Reflect.
Light Arrows have a light element to it. Stuns Ganondorf.Light arrows are the most powerful of the magic arrows, which puts them on a very high scale, above featless magic.
Originally posted by NephthysBecause Midna's going to attack Ganondorf if she can't hit him? No. That's only one durability feat you're trying to downplay, anyway, Ganon has many.
Can't Ganon go intangible? That sounds like a good defence for why the strike did jack diddly to him.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
And you don't know what happened in the castle. Ganondorf may not have been in the explosion.
Oh hell, not you too. This is becoming ridiculous. The fact that you all are stooping to this level of reasoning is a pretty clear indicator that you are grasping for any form of defense.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
They beat soldiers with guns.
Not all of them didn't. That puts the soldiers on level with SeeD. Which means SeeD really isn't all that special. neither are GFs.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Carbuncle reflects all of Ganon's weak magic. Alexander, Eden, Odin, and Gilgamesh kill Ganon.
Nope. Ganon wins because he is more powerful and those GFs can't hold a candle to him.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Holy hurts Ganon. Alexander kills Ganon. So do the Limit Breaks.
Ganon snacks on Holy like he snacks on cereal. Ganon smokes Alexander. Limit Breaks feel like breaking wind on him.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Omega Weapon causes more damage than Ganon's magic. Ultimecia is above Adel whose above Ganon. Ganon dies to Silver Arrows.
Ganon's magic does more damage than Omega Weapon. Ganon is above both Adel and Ultimicia. Silver Arrows tickle Ganon.
I can do this all day too. Let me know when you want the evidence part of this debate to come into play.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Reflect bounces all of Ganon's gameplay spells.
Ganon smashes reflect into magic dust.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Light Arrows have a light element to it. Stuns Ganondorf.
Which is the only thing Holy can hope to do.