FF8 Party v.s. Ganondorf

Started by The Scenario40 pages
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont know about unharmed, I am sure most people pulled out of rubble are damaged, but not dead. But in real life whole buildings collapse on top of these people and they can be pulled out alive, without a scratch I never said, but alive yes....and Ganon surviving is not impressive at all, especially not when he was covered by a few blocks.

Nice dodge is all I can say
As you failed to provide anything that may
Even slightly support your claim
I'm growing tired of your game


The proof is that the spells are there, the source of those spells on the other hand, I am not so sure.

Then once again I must ask you
Prove it if you want it for new


Depowered sword was not shown hitting anything, it sounded like metal hitting metal, which was likely as Ganon also had a sword. As for the castle? as i said, hes probably avoided a few scratches, possibly a broken limb, other than that humans have survived far worse collapses.

But again, watch at the scene end
No sword in hand does Ganon append
Did he put it back after the block
Only to produce it again just to mock?


Questionable? possibly, sitll notihng solid.

Except, of course, that he won
Drop this point, too, it's done


Thats just a baseless claim, I can say exactly the same thing and that the evidence supports me more so.

Now we're just arguing about it looks like
You say mud, I say fire alike
This goes nowhere, that's why I say
Drop the point, it's got nowhere to lay


Hes a boy without the weapon required to truly harm Ganon and he wins, and your trying to argue a whole party of experianced people who have by the end of the game fought against far more powerful entities who are both larger and more varied in the powers they posess are apprently going to lose.

That word, I do not think it means
What you think it does
"Wins" implies defeat by the scenes
Link stun him, it was
And your argument bashes Link, too
It's what I have come to expect of you
It's almost as if you aren't aware
That prophecy chose Squall to win there
Link's a Chosen One, too, just like the group
And experienced, as well, despite your loop


Your making those great big assumptions and guesses again, that apprently that was the sound of the sword hitting Ganons skin.
This is unfounded, a sword Ganon had and in the time we could not see him he could have blocked without a sweat.

Again, where is the sword until it was shown?
Not on Ganondorf's person, that much is known

He didnt necesserily tank anything. Also I thought he was actually further up, inside the castle rather than below like most humans in collapses.

Quite true, but the rubble says otherwise
And it being of stone, weighs more of size
Than other buildings, made of plaster and such
Not to mention the flaming stones falling with much

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Oh look, at 0:28 Meteor was cast!
Then wait, at 5:05 but Ganon is gone!
And back to 2:06 a ring of fire blast!
Ganon's got some tricks he hasn't let on.


He revives but has no actual druability? no special resistances....by the name phantom it just sounds like he was a ghost and the "light" arrows put him out.

He could only be hit with Master Sword, too
Arrows not of Light would simply pass through
Granted, it just seems intangibility
But better still than FF durability


Your using a spell from FF7, an unlikely one at that to try and claim all spells and animations in FF games are BS? 🙄 I dont know how many fallacies that is, hasty generalisation is one of them.

Fine I'll do this your way with your vid
We'll how it works when animations kid

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Flare exploded, caught Squall in the blast
And then Holy removed the background there
Not the worst so far, but prepare once again last
Your precious Meteor teleported to space, wait where?

As you can see, even here it fails
Battle animations lack, it wails
Try as you might, they're just pretty sight
Nothing behind them suggests true might


And its not impossible, only improbable. Also an animation does not have to be canon to the game, for it to be canon to the universe. In canon those things may not have happened but in canon with the actual spell, they do. In supernovas case I would say its not doing those things, but sometihng as simple as a flash of light, or meteor storms are fictionally common.

Wait what? Say that one again
You're claiming non-canon is canon then?


Nice how you dodged trying to back up Ganons cast times, which are also slow by the way. hell even his teleports and movements are slow. Ganons not Kain or Dante in which FF spells could be considered fairly slow, but to Ganon their too fast.

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Oh my, did I? Thank you then
4:00 Instant TK and when
Link tries to retrieve her
Another instant cast, a barrier
Oh, 4:13, some instant teleportation
And then TK on a sword plus levitation

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At 0:47, oh man, look at that
Intangibile in light and turns into a bat

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Try 1:18 Waves of Dark
Paralysis makes this a walk in the park
And just in case, that magical punch
Quick to use, quick to kill the bunch

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In case the punch doesn't work for much
How could I forgt the Death Touch?
At 2:57 a strike much too quick
For the FF crew's reaction to kick


based on what? what feats has Ganon shown that he can kill them with a blow? show me....and he may be able to kill one with a blow, that only leaves several others, each who could revive the fallen while crushing Ganon under meteors....

Oh, whoops, just look above
Ganon's power fits just like a glove
Especially with the lack of a durability feat
For the FF crew's bodies, when Ganon they meet


lol, its fully supported by the scene and now youve splittered your own credability by claiming the same as me despite argueing I am wrong you want us to move on from the point? lol...

Ok, fine, is it fire or mud?
I wanted this dropped as your claim was a dud
From fire to mud you're switching the claim
I don't understand what you want to blame


Its by no means above, they can call down huge meteors and revive the dead.... destroyed the castles? first one he shook down with a light tremur, not sure how it succeeded in bringing anything down unless the castles craftmen were really poor and its supports were old but yeh, it was a light tremur. not sure if that would even knock the FF party to their feet, not sure it did it to link. And as for the flame spell, its just a ring of fire, which he cannot hold up and normal people can survive burns, least of all those with healing and water spells.

You're really amazing, you know that?
To look at a scene a declare it was fiat
"Oh, the construction was poor, that's why it fell"
Honestly, that's too ridiculous to quell
But then, why not prove that unsupported drivel?
Give a good reason the contruction was swivel

"And oh, normal people can survive a burn"
And yet people also die as FF will soon learn
You know normal people survive guns and blades
I guess that means Ganon's immune to those raids


Technically neither does Ganon, we only hear of him breaking an island but we dont see it, we dont know how we did it. FF lovers can claim all they want that he used a spell but for all we know he could have stood hours, inciting an incantation or had his larger minions break it apart. As for the TK, I have seen him thrown around one imp, midna...thats it. Not sure if he can lift a humans body weight with any force, I see him lifting Zelda extremely slowly as if he can barely manage her but that could be part of the spell.

Yet as dialogue claims, the sea spirit there
Barely escaped before Ganon reduced it to air
Implied it was, that it was quick destruction
Very little time given for it to function

And now once again the claim Ganon's weak
"He lifted Zelda slowly, he must be meek!"
As for Midna, I look at the speed of the throw
Covered quite the distance, quickly, you know
I don't really care though, as he's TK'd a sword
Throw one through the party and he won't be bored


Yes, he sort of flashes after a time of being invisible and has to react his shadow technique. The fact he has to put it on again makes it clear its not a constant power. And the fireball does not have to hit, also just because he cannot be seen by the naked eye does not mean the FF party cannot predict his location, they have enough large scale AOE spells in holy and meteor to light up his rough direction.

What do you mean, the flashes before?
That's the indication of damage he wore
He disappears the moment the lights go out
It is constant in darkness, despite this shout


Learn what an Ad hominem is before you use it, me being snarky does not make my post an ad hominem. oh and Theres hardly anything stated about it at all, and what we actually see is poor.

Attack against the man, not debate, I know
You attempt to discredit me with that blow
"You're such a hypocrite, and try to learn this"
Directed at me, too bad you miss

Let's drop this one, too, just because
I didn't want to dicuss this, as it was

Originally posted by TacDavey
Are you all serious, have you all gone mad?
Your incompetence is staggering it's really that bad.
I'm almost forced to break from my rhyming way
To trash all of the illogical motions you play.

BT you claim normal weapons can slice like the rest.
But that video more than put that theory to the test.
The MS was still sharp like any other sword
But in slicing Ganon it could not afford.

Ganon specifically says, he cannot be beat
By any normal sword, there's the proof that you seek.
But apparently you pass that off as somehow Links mistake
That's a RIDICULOUSLY illogical stance for you to take.

'What you hold is USELESS"

What does this mean? I want to hear your thought.
Cause you are claiming the battle can be fought
With a normal sword, but what was the MS?
It couldn't beat Ganon, unless it was at it's best.

That quote isn't talking about Link, not at all.
It was the swords fault that before him he did fall.
But you want to claim the Gunblade can cut just the same.
Do you ever get tired of this illogical game?

It's obvious you aren't even trying to reason, you haven't been for a while.
Since your spewing illogical like it's going out of style.
I gave you a video a quote RIGHT FROM THE GAME
But you keep up your arguments just the same.

Oh wait, then you said the FF party would win
By slicing Ganon into parts, I have to admit that made me grin.
A good joke, that, yes humorous indeed.
But better reasoning sadly, you'll need.

The fact that you'd stoop to such a ridiculous claim
Shows there is no logical points that remain.
We've dealt with magic, swords don't have much affect
What other options can the FF8 crew get?

I've shown you that Ganon cannot be harmed
By normal weapons with which the FF crew is armed.
And what is your response? Well maybe Squall can cuz he's tough.
Unfortunately that just isn't enough.

You say Ganon has a lack of feats, that's really quite a sad sight.
I've been providing them up, down, left and right.
But of course you ignore them, at that you're the best.
That's just something I had to get off of my chest.

And then you claim, wait this one is good,
That he said LINK couldn't beat him, so anyone else could.
Do you really believe that, are you sure that's the stance you want to voice?
The problem wasn't Link, it was his weaponry choice.

The whole problem was the sword was not good enough
If finally Ganon's flame he wanted snuff.
That's obviously why he had to get it powered back to it's regular glimmer
Since to kill Ganon, with Holy power the sword had to shimmer.

Otherwise, why did the sword not work there but DID later?
Answer me that, cause that puts a nasty crater
Into your argument, not that it needed any more
you've had so many from before.

You couldnt trash anything, certainly nothing illogical as your posts are the most illogical so far unless ofc you want to correct us further by making us more illogical? be my guest...

its not been put to any test lol, we dont see anything and Ganons robes are not even torn so its not like Link tried. We dont see the scene, no feat mkay?

It means the villain is a non credible shit who does not want to give Link any bravado, more so.. Link is much smaller than Ganon and he also holds a sword so its no wonder its useless. Either way, this is not evidence chum. And your desperatly trying to argue just because a arrogant villain claims something negative to the hero that its cold hard fact? I lold.

Your assertion, prove its solely the sword. The gunblade is held by a fully grown man whos been through more than this version of Link could ever cope with.

No effect? tell that to the Sage sword and MS, theyve sliced him like kibble. Unfortunaltey for him these guys wont stop at a few slices like Link.

You call that evidence? 😆 what a ridiculous display.

Tbh I wouldnt be surprised if someone with some power could easily beat Gaonondorf with a butter knife, I could name a few.

lol, with holy power it had to shimmer? 😉

Originally posted by Burning thought
You couldnt trash anything, certainly nothing illogical as your posts are the most illogical so far unless ofc you want to correct us further by making us more illogical? be my guest...

its not been put to any test lol, we dont see anything and Ganons robes are not even torn so its not like Link tried. We dont see the scene, no feat mkay?

It means the villain is a non credible shit who does not want to give Link any bravado, more so.. Link is much smaller than Ganon and he also holds a sword so its no wonder its useless. Either way, this is not evidence chum. And your desperatly trying to argue just because a arrogant villain claims something negative to the hero that its cold hard fact? I lold.

Your assertion, prove its solely the sword. The gunblade is held by a fully grown man whos been through more than this version of Link could ever cope with.

No effect? tell that to the Sage sword and MS, theyve sliced him like kibble. Unfortunaltey for him these guys wont stop at a few slices like Link.

You call that evidence? 😆 what a ridiculous display.

Tbh I wouldnt be surprised if someone with some power could easily beat Gaonondorf with a butter knife, I could name a few.

lol, with [b]holy power it had to shimmer? 😉 [/B]

Wow, and again you show your irrational way
We don't see 2 seconds, and so we can't say
What really happened, even though it's obvious to everyone.
I'm having trouble believing you would give that one a run.

We don't see it, so we have NO IDEA what went on, yup, there's logic for you
Even though everything before and after could give us a clue.
Ganon's robes were not torn? Because they didn't want to do extra animation
They obviously figured the scene was enough explanation.

So what do YOU think happened? Link ran and then tripped?
Is that your claim? You would have to really be thick.
Especially since we hear the sword connect
Or was it too soft for your ears to detect?

Honestly, what logical explanation can you provide
To explain the scene you claim the developers wanted to hide?
This I would like to hear, but you of course don't have one all along.
You just don't want to admit when you are OBVIOUSLY proven wrong.

Ganon says it's the sword, that's what Ganon did say
The developers got that plot point across in that way.
Since we then go recharge the sword with it's former might
And THEN it works in Ganon's next fight!

How do you explain that? Another hole in your reply?
That can't be tossed up to simply a lie.
The sword gets recharged and then it can kill
If you won't provide logic, then I will.

In order to harm Ganon, a very powerful blade it must be
That's something on which we all can agree.
Since your ONLY response is "We never see 2 seconds of the scene
And we can ONLY go on what comes up on the screen."

Alright, let's play by that logic you use
And apply it to other arguments that I choose.
Squall is dead, I conclude, from the end of the game
By your logic, that's another thing we can claim.

Sure you see him standing on the balcony clearly in sight
But that's just his ghost, that's logical right?
I mean we never ACTUALLY saw him live
That's a pretty good line of reasoning to give.

We don't see it happen, so no feat, isn't that right?
Looks like in actuality Squall lost that fight.
That ending must have just been Rinoa thinking of him.
Geez, the ending of that game was really quite grim.

See all we see is Rinoa holding him amidst flowers.
At the end of Ultimicia's powers.
But we NEVER actually see him get up, so I guess we can't tell
Rinoa is all alone and Squall is in hell.

The rest you just passed off as wrong with no reason why
Is that how you handle ALL your debates? Cuz with me that don't fly.
Give me reasons or stop posting on this thread.
Cuz at the moment the FF party is dead.

http://squallsdead.com/

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://squallsdead.com/

Wow. Interesting.

You ever read the Quadforce theory?

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://squallsdead.com/

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Originally posted by The Scenario

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Oh look, at 0:28 Meteor was cast!

If this isn't sarcasm, you fail.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
If this isn't sarcasm, you fail.

Sin, I had to take a quick pause from this fight
As something interesting has to be brought to light.
This post to which I reply is truly worthy of your name
As apparently it is the 666'th claim. 🙂

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Wow. Interesting.

You ever read the Quadforce theory?

I've heard it called Tetraforce, mostly. The one where there are actually four pieces of the Triforce, right? The only evidence of which is a hastily put together "OMG THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CENTER THERE MUST BE FOURTH UPSIDE DOWN PIECE"?


If this isn't sarcasm, you fail.

Of course it was. Ganondorf just somehow managed to start collapsing things that weren't actually there.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Sin, I had to take a quick pause from this fight
As something interesting has to be brought to light.
This post to which I reply is truly worthy of your name
As apparently it is the 666'th claim. 🙂

You got cursed

I'm hesitant to ask, as this thread has been so quiet
Like a strange silence hung at the end of a riot.
But I must inquire anyway, I fear.
As for this thread... are we done here?

no... ff8 wins

Not sure, but the rhyming has run it course.

Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
no... ff8 wins

As time goes on, I notice more.
You claim to have knowledge,
but that knowledge is poor.
A child could see, with incredible ease,
that despite your denail,
Ganon wins this with ease.

You claim to enjoy the Zelda games,
but downplay the characters in futility.
Your arguments amount to less than flames,
and fall apart under the slightest scrutiny.

It seems, sir, you need a new name.
Yours doesn't suit you at all,
and it's also sort of lame. 😬

Why the hell is this thread still getting posts? Seriously, one would think that it would die eventually.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
As time goes on, I notice more.
You claim to have knowledge,
but that knowledge is poor.
A child could see, with incredible ease,
that despite your denail,
Ganon wins this with ease.

You claim to enjoy the Zelda games,
but downplay the characters in futility.
Your arguments amount to less than flames,
and fall apart under the slightest scrutiny.

It seems, sir, you need a new name.
Yours doesn't suit you at all,
and it's also sort of lame. 😬

no he dies

I do like Zelda, but I notice when other characters are better than them. I don't downplay the characters, I see them for what they are. If anything your perception of Link's power is hyperbole up to the point where it's just funny. Link can not move at supersonic speeds from dodging a whip, he can not bench press an aircraft carrier, or shoot one down with an arrow. Seriously stop overrating one of my favorite video game characters, its starting to get annoying. The only thing your going to accomplish by doing this is turning him into another Sephiroth.

No, I think I'll keep my name, I've grown attached to it. 😛

You should give up on poetry, your not very good at it. 😛 It was funny when you first started posting like this, but if you continue to do it, it's just gonna get annoying.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why the hell is this thread still getting posts? Seriously, one would think that it would die eventually.
ppl like to bump

ASDFJKL

Oh, come on, why is this still here? It's already been proven that Ganondorf won. I mean, hell, I got BT to back down on this one. If that's not a win condition, it should be.

When did I back down? being busy with advanced exams and not posting on this forum for a long while does not account for a win in any thread until I actually officially say that I have conceded. As it is, I have not and likely will not, the arguments are poor and are a combination of spamming the same tired views based on assumption and misconception.

Ill smash the arguments in this thread again when I find some time.

Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
Link can not move at supersonic speeds from dodging a whip, he can not bench press an aircraft carrier, or shoot one down with an arrow. Seriously stop overrating one of my favorite video game characters, its starting to get annoying. The only thing your going to accomplish by doing this is turning him into another Sephiroth.

Oh and this..

Originally posted by TacDavey
I'm hesitant to ask, as this thread has been so quiet
Like a strange silence hung at the end of a riot.
But I must inquire anyway, I fear.
As for this thread... are we done here?

It would be wise to leave threads like these alone in a dark corner. No need to awaken dead beasts.