Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
no he diesI do like Zelda, but I notice when other characters are better than them. I don't downplay the characters, I see them for what they are. If anything your perception of Link's power is hyperbole up to the point where it's just funny. Link can not move at supersonic speeds from dodging a whip, he can not bench press an aircraft carrier, or shoot one down with an arrow. Seriously stop overrating one of my favorite video game characters, its starting to get annoying. The only thing your going to accomplish by doing this is turning him into another Sephiroth.
No, I think I'll keep my name, I've grown attached to it. 😛
You should give up on poetry, your not very good at it. 😛 It was funny when you first started posting like this, but if you continue to do it, it's just gonna get annoying.
I go by the facts, and the facts have proven,
Link is very powerful, despite that you boo him.
I have proven his reactions, speed, and strength.
I have proven them all at great length.
Regardless, Link won't show up to save their asses;
Ganondorf will easily reduce the entire party to ashes.
They have no feats of power, he will not be hurt.
He however, does, and will crush them into dirt.
I do not care, if you enjoy my posts,
EffEff still finds themselves reduced to ghosts.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
It would be wise to leave threads like these alone in a dark corner. No need to awaken dead beasts.
That advice might be great
But I think it came a little too late.
It's amazing how one little post
Can kick start a long dead ghost.
No matter the logic that's brought into play
This thread will go on day after day.
I don't see it officially ending anytime soon
As none of us here will be changing our tune.
Still, I find myself curious at least just a little
To see what makes up the next part of the riddle.
A stance I know I may soon regret
But I'd still like to know what response from BT I will get. 😕
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Boy, you know squat. Allow me to enlighten;
The facts and feats show that Ganon will spite them.
There are characters the Zelda crew should fear,
but fortunately, none of them are here. 🙂I go by the facts, and the facts have proven,
Link is very powerful, despite that you boo him.
I have proven his reactions, speed, and strength.
I have proven them all at great length.Regardless, Link won't show up to save their asses;
Ganondorf will easily reduce the entire party to ashes.
They have no feats of power, he will not be hurt.
He however, does, and will crush them into dirt.I do not care, if you enjoy my posts,
EffEff still finds themselves reduced to ghosts.
so does gannon have any feats to keep stop from working on him?
If not, then the FF8 party takes turns spamming stop until Link gets there. 😛
Your word is not fact, and your perception of Link's reactions, speed, and strength is hyperbole.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Ime growing tired of the continued silly buggers, people can survive rubble collpase far worse than the very top of a castle, for example actually being in a collapsing building.
Prove what? the source is irrelevant. How someone summons meteors is irrelevant here, only the fact that they will rip Dorf to bits is important.
I cannot assume why he put his sword back, nor should you assume,facts are not provided.
Yes, he>midna, so is the FF8 party....its a useless point.
Most of this argument is pointless, your basing yours on appearances and not facts and sometimes assumptions based on things we dont see.
Find a better rhyme, it does not suit my post.
Its not known that the sword was not on his person, only that we dont see it until later Just like we dont see Links sword hit anything.
Sarcasm is your only argument? 🙄
No not really....its not durability if its intangibility.
The fact you think its unlikely they were teleported to space does not disregard the scene, they did not even necesserily teleport, it may simply be an illusion. The point of the scene is to show the meteors. How the screen fades and teleports may indeed be just a mechanic.
No you read it wrong, non-canon event does not make a non canon spell. The spell exists in the spell list but the actually opponents the player chooses to use the spell on did not necesserily happen. Same with Supernova, obviously the solarsystem was not destroyed.
You just listed some pretty useless powers, levitation, turning into a bat? , also wheres the magical punch and the strength feats that would suggest this would be useful? I did not see it unless you mean the shockwave impact.
His power is very limited. If all hes going to do as the meteors and holy blasts into him is to levitate and turn into a bat they dont have much to fear 😉
The construction was poor because a young pair were running down from the castle without hardly toppling over. If it cant knock someone over and it takes a long while to damage the castle then what use is it going to be?
Well that depends, guns and blades as well as the spells the FF team can bring to bear pretty much>a small fire like those Ganondorfs conjures.
That would depend on the sea spirits speed and where it was on the island. This still does not negate the fact is pretty baseless.Yes because the FF party are going to fear Ganon slowly lifting swords and tossing them at the team. He can just about toss the imp, he may not even be able to lift a sword, larger ones being fairly heavy.
I made no attempt to attack you, calling you a hypocrite is not an attack. If you had read the argument instead of getting flustered over being called a hypocrite you would have seen me pointing out your inconsistency in animations.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Wow, and again you show your irrational way
We don't see 2 seconds, and so we can't say
What really happened, even though it's obvious to everyone.
I'm having trouble believing you would give that one a run.We don't see it, so we have NO IDEA what went on, yup, there's logic for you
Even though everything before and after could give us a clue.
Ganon's robes were not torn? Because they didn't want to do extra animation
They obviously figured the scene was enough explanation.So what do YOU think happened? Link ran and then tripped?
Is that your claim? You would have to really be thick.
Especially since we hear the sword connect
Or was it too soft for your ears to detect?Honestly, what logical explanation can you provide
To explain the scene you claim the developers wanted to hide?
This I would like to hear, but you of course don't have one all along.
You just don't want to admit when you are OBVIOUSLY proven wrong.Ganon says it's the sword, that's what Ganon did say
The developers got that plot point across in that way.
Since we then go recharge the sword with it's former might
And THEN it works in Ganon's next fight!How do you explain that? Another hole in your reply?
That can't be tossed up to simply a lie.
The sword gets recharged and then it can kill
If you won't provide logic, then I will.In order to harm Ganon, a very powerful blade it must be
That's something on which we all can agree.
Since your ONLY response is "We never see 2 seconds of the scene
And we can ONLY go on what comes up on the screen."Alright, let's play by that logic you use
And apply it to other arguments that I choose.
Squall is dead, I conclude, from the end of the game
By your logic, that's another thing we can claim.Sure you see him standing on the balcony clearly in sight
But that's just his ghost, that's logical right?
I mean we never ACTUALLY saw him live
That's a pretty good line of reasoning to give.We don't see it happen, so no feat, isn't that right?
Looks like in actuality Squall lost that fight.
That ending must have just been Rinoa thinking of him.
Geez, the ending of that game was really quite grim.See all we see is Rinoa holding him amidst flowers.
At the end of Ultimicia's powers.
But we NEVER actually see him get up, so I guess we can't tell
Rinoa is all alone and Squall is in hell.The rest you just passed off as wrong with no reason why
Is that how you handle ALL your debates? Cuz with me that don't fly.
Give me reasons or stop posting on this thread.
Cuz at the moment the FF party is dead.
So we hear a clank sound alike to metal striking metal, Ganons robes are not torn or damaged and not long after hes holding a sword when we go back to the scene.....yet you think its logical to assume the clank was certainly Ganons skin being unharmed? 🙄 no logic at all in that...
We hear the sword connect with metal, I would say Ganon blocked, perhaps similiar to vergil out of DMC he puts his sword away after some attacks/blocks. And you cant prove me wrong just by claiming incredulously how I dont belive your opinion on what you think may have happened. Its not fact.....
Theres no flaw in my reply at all, go and prove some of these points. Making a huge list of claims in rhyme does not help you and I have no interest in whether or not squall lived or died, hes alive in this thread and together this team can kill Ganon quite easily.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
so does gannon have any feats to keep stop from working on him?
If not, then the FF8 party takes turns spamming stop until Link gets there. 😛Your word is not fact, and your perception of Link's reactions, speed, and strength is hyperbole.
Here's where I tell you in brilliant rhyme,
Ganon's resisted when the sword stopped time.
In Wind Waker, with his power sealed,
Ganon escaped from the frozen field.
Explain to me how his feats are hyperbole?
Link's done the things I say, factually.
So in the end, I'm right, you're wrong.
I'm really enjoying this ongoing song.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Here's where I tell you in brilliant rhyme,
Ganon's resisted when the sword stopped time.
In Wind Waker, with his power sealed,
Ganon escaped from the frozen field.Explain to me how his feats are hyperbole?
Link's done the things I say, factually.
So in the end, I'm right, you're wrong.
I'm really enjoying this ongoing song.
Your pretty good with rhymes, ill give you that much, but it's still getting annoying.
Wasn't sure if he did, and if he did I don't remember. I've beat Windwaker twice, but it was such a long time ago that I barely remember anything about it. I remember that the goddesses froze time in Hyrule and flooded it when Gannon came back because the Hero of Time disappeared, but that's about it. As far as how he got away, or if he ever resisted time being stopped, I'm not sure. If you don't mind, refresh my memory, or send me a video.
No, his actual feats in the game aren't hyperbole, you see them being done by Link. Don't get me wrong, I can tell that you know your Zelda, I'm not questioning your knowledge about the series. However, I happen to know a lot about the Zelda series too, and claiming shit like he can bench press a aircraft carrier, and shoot one down with a single arrow just because he can lift a big ass rock with the golden gauntlets is definitely hyperbole.
Again, your opinions aren't fact. just because you say something doesn't make you right. Arguing this with you any further isn't going to get us anywhere with this thread. It's off topic, and frankly, I don't really care enough to drag this out longer than it already has. All we're doing is posting our opinions about each other.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I really hate it when people say shit is hyperbole and they don't even know what it means.
And I hate it, as Sin so eloquently put it before me, when "Nintendo Wankers", such as yourself, get pissed when someone doesn't agree with them, and starts claiming that they don't know what they are talking about. I know damn well what the definition of hyperbole is, and I have for a very long time. You know nothing about me Moo, and I'm tired of you thinking that I can't comprehend what things mean. This isn't the first time in a thread you've done this to me, and it's starting to get annoying. I happen to be a very intelligent person, and I'm starting to question your intelligence myself.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Feats cannot be hyperbole, because it's pretty hard to exaggerate certain actions. Unless you do something like shout for an abnormally long amount of time while picking up a twig.
Read my post again... I never said that the feats by themselves were hyperbole because you clearly see them doing it. I said that the BS claims you guys make from those feats are.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
K. So our perception is hyperbole?
Glad you finally understand 😄
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That just as hard. We don't say anything that isn't already provided by other sources. Except for shit like "Link could smash X boulder with his face." But those are just for comedic purposes, 'cause its fun to say that stuff. Should try it some time.
Some of the things I've seen you guys post could be passed off as a joke (I have a sense of humor too, some of the things you guys say are kinda funny, even though they are horribly wrong), but a lot of them you guys tried defending, and proving, after they were said. I don't think you would defend a joke, you'd tell the other person you were kidding.
I have tried it sometime... if I remember correctly, the last time I said something along those lines in a thread, you criticized me for it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Obviously what we see happen on-screen are just exaggerations of reality and we can't count them for shit.
True, but trying to mix reality with video games doesn't go well all the time. They are called video games for a reason. They don't always have to make sense.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also, he means that you guys exaggerate shit like Majoras whips, teh Lazor dodging and (maybe) Link being a 100 tonner to make your favourite characters look cool. Stuff like that.
👆
Thank you... seems like I'm not the only one who thinks this either 😛
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
Some of the things I've seen you guys post could be passed off as a joke (I have a sense of humor too, some of the things you guys say are kinda funny, even though they are horribly wrong), but a lot of them you guys tried defending, and proving, after they were said. I don't think you would defend a joke, you'd tell the other person you were kidding.I have tried it sometime... if I remember correctly, the last time I said something along those lines in a thread, you criticized me for it.
If we tried to defend them, then it was either serious or served no point to the thread but the character could actually do it. So we ended up arguing about it.
Don't recall.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
If we tried to defend them, then it was either serious or served no point to the thread but the character could actually do it. So we ended up arguing about it.Don't recall.
Or one of you guys said a BS statement, someone else on KMC called you out for it, and instead of admitting that your wrong, you tried defending yourselves, and tried proving what you said is true.
idk... don't really care either. I think it may have been the Bowser vs Cloud thread, but I could be wrong. It's been too long for me to be sure about where it came from, but I remember it happening on a couple of threads.
Originally posted by Burning thought
So we hear a clank sound alike to metal striking metal, Ganons robes are not torn or damaged and not long after hes holding a sword when we go back to the scene.....yet you think its logical to assume the clank was certainly Ganons skin being unharmed? 🙄 no logic at all in that...We hear the sword connect with metal, I would say Ganon blocked, perhaps similiar to vergil out of DMC he puts his sword away after some attacks/blocks. And you cant prove me wrong just by claiming incredulously how I dont belive your opinion on what you think may have happened. Its not fact.....
Theres no flaw in my reply at all, go and prove some of these points. Making a huge list of claims in rhyme does not help you and I have no interest in whether or not squall lived or died, hes alive in this thread and together this team can kill Ganon quite easily.
Ganon drew his sword and put it away and then instantly redrew it?
This line of reasoning is horrifically weak, we can all see right through it.
I love how you ignored the rest of my reply.
Your defeat is so obvious it almost makes me want to cry.
The point is we know Squall lived, even without it coming up on TV
Things can happen that we do not see.
We KNOW Squall lived, beyond reasonable doubt
And that example snuffs your pathetic argument right out.
I seriously can't stand this thread. I had fun with the rhyming, but honestly, this is getting ridiculous. I'll drop it for now.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ime growing tired of the continued silly buggers, people can survive rubble collpase far worse than the very top of a castle, for example actually being in a collapsing building.
Look, you can claim this all you want, but you have not even attempted to prove it, though I asked you multiple times. What you're doing is a generalization. Because some people have survived building collapses (though you haven't presented any evidence for this), you seem to think that this means any normal person can survive any castle collapsing, thus disproving Ganondorf's feat.
In order to successfully argue this point, you must do the following:
1. Prove that anyone can survive a castle collapsing.
2. Prove that the survivals are not statistical probabilities (ie: 1000 people in a building, 1 person survives. The Law of Averages.)
3. Prove that a building collapsing is the same as a castle collapsing.
And finally,
4. Prove that human survival in a collapse has anything to do with durability, and not luck, as in the above example. Most likely, any survivals have to with another part of the building taking the weight that would otherwise crush them.
Prove what? the source is irrelevant. How someone summons meteors is irrelevant here, only the fact that they will rip Dorf to bits is important.
I'm simply wondering if any member of the cast has actually used materia in canon. The meteors still have less than absolute zero in feats. Have they ripped something apart before?
I cannot assume why he put his sword back, nor should you assume,facts are not provided.
Then you shouldn't assume he took his sword out in the first place.
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Why don't you be the judge, then? Compare the sounds we don't see the source of to when Link strikes Ganondorf. Also note that despite getting slashed, Ganondorf's robe didn't tear that time, either, and in a cutscene no less.
Most of this argument is pointless, your basing yours on appearances and not facts and sometimes assumptions based on things we dont see.
Wait, how do you determine anything if not by observation? I don't understand what you're saying, since any given feat will involve what appears to be happening.Plus, there is a difference between assumption and conclusion.
Find a better rhyme, it does not suit my post.
It fit perfectly, and ignoring it will not help you. Quite simply, you were using a loop of logic, assuming that one is true and then going from there. In your post, you implied that because Link without the Master Sword "won" (we were discussing the part about Link causing Ganon to drop the fire shield, not actual defeat) that Ganon is weak. You further assume that the FF8 party is more experienced than Link, thus they can defeat Ganon, when that is pretty much irrelevant. After this, you claimed that the party fought being more powerful than Ganon, when that is not evident at all. During that, you claimed that because those "more powerful" beings were bigger and more varied than Ganon, they were better.
In short, no.
So yes
What do you mean? It's just odd to assume that Ganondorf would pull out a sword, block an attack, put the sword back, and then pull it out again.
Its not known that the sword was not on his person, only that we dont see it until later Just like we dont see Links sword hit anything.
Prior evidence shows that Ganondorf is able to create swords from thin air. Plus, the katana he was using there was longer than his sleaves.
Sarcasm is your only argument? 🙄
The post contained sarcasm. This is not an excuse for you to ignore it entirely. Point is, that video showed that Ganondorf's castle collapse included didintegrating the entire top of the tower and caused flaming rocks to fall from the sky. Since you seem to think flaming rocks are so powerful, I pointed it out. I also noted that he trapped Zelda in a ring of fire during the collapse, so yeah.
No not really....its not durability if its intangibility.
Does not change the fact that Light Arrow = Disintegration.
The fact you think its unlikely they were teleported to space does not disregard the scene, they did not even necesserily teleport, it may simply be an illusion. The point of the scene is to show the meteors. How the screen fades and teleports may indeed be just a mechanic.
Stop cherry picking, then. There's nothing to suggest that Meteor isn't an illusion just like Supernova is, especially since it has a rather glaring breach of physics and logic in the animation. So Meteor is still a featless and worthless spell.
No you read it wrong, non-canon event does not make a non canon spell. The spell exists in the spell list but the actually opponents the player chooses to use the spell on did not necesserily happen. Same with Supernova, obviously the solarsystem was not destroyed.
Yes, so it makes no sense. Not a single canon feat, or even a non canon one.
You just listed some pretty useless powers, levitation, turning into a bat? , also wheres the magical punch and the strength feats that would suggest this would be useful? I did not see it unless you mean the shockwave impact.
Useless? You really think those are useless? You asked me to provide cast times, and I did. Anyway, Ganondorf can levitate and FF can't. I call this useful. I decreased the time needed for Ganondorf to teleport. I call this useful. And you of all people think a bat form is useless? I further don't understand why you don't think that shockwave punch is useful. FF has no defensive feats or durability feats, so it very well could kill them.
His power is very limited. If all hes going to do as the meteors and holy blasts into him is to levitate and turn into a bat they dont have much to fear 😉
I notice you ignored the actually threatening abilities. But yes, he could turn into a bat to dodge or levitate out of range, since Meteor has no range to speak of, while Ganondorf has proven long range abilities.
Further, I notice that you ignored his other powers. For instance, the one where I proved that Ganondorf can become intangible in light? What about the Waves of Darkness? Whole party paralyzed and can't even get close to him. He can trap them in those barriers and rings of fire. He could use the death touch. There wasn't a video, but he can also open the gap between dimensions right under the party's feet.
The construction was poor because a young pair were running down from the castle without hardly toppling over. If it cant knock someone over and it takes a long while to damage the castle then what use is it going to be?
What did you just say? The contruction is poor because Link and Zelda didn't fall down? I don't know about you, but that's usually a sign that a castle is well constructed, being that stable.
Well that depends, guns and blades as well as the spells the FF team can bring to bear pretty much>a small fire like those Ganondorfs conjures.
But not all the other stuff that Ganondorf can do. The fires (and gap between dimensins) are abilities can Ganondorf can still use from far out of range of the party, where they can't do anything.
That would depend on the sea spirits speed and where it was on the island. This still does not negate the fact is pretty baseless.Yes because the FF party are going to fear Ganon slowly lifting swords and tossing them at the team. He can just about toss the imp, he may not even be able to lift a sword, larger ones being fairly heavy.
Why is it baseless? Ganondorf destroyed an island. That's a good base.
What? When did Ganondorf lift the sword slowly? At the speed he's shown to be able to toss things, the party wont be able to react before he's impaled one of them. Ganondorf's TK overpowered Midna's, and she's a multi-tonner.
I made no attempt to attack you, calling you a hypocrite is not an attack. If you had read the argument instead of getting flustered over being called a hypocrite you would have seen me pointing out your inconsistency in animations.
Maybe, except for the fact that there was no inconsistency. It was a cutscene in the original Legend of Zelda where Link had to present the Triforce of Wisdom to light the room and reveal Ganon.