Alex Mercer vs. Link

Correct me if I am wrong, but did not Kain use a device to travel in time? That to me feels like a mix of science and magic. The case remains, magic or not, real life physics claim that it is impossible to travel in time. Kain does it. Therefore defying a rule of physics.

And exactly: We see a fairly basic feat of strength. Just like how we see Link throw that stone. All things revolving those two accomplishments are relative to the respective universe. Just because it can not be pulled of in the real world, does not make math useless in its case.

Math is not restricted to reality, but you certainly seem to be. They are fictional worlds. Comprehend that.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Correct me if I am wrong, but did not Kain use a device to travel in time? That to me feels like a mix of science and magic. The case remains, magic or not, real life physics claim that it is impossible to travel in time. Kain does it. Therefore defying a rule of physics.

And exactly: We see a fairly basic feat of strength. Just like how we see Link throw that stone. All things revolving those two accomplishments are relative to the respective universe. Just because it can not be pulled of in the real world, does not make math useless in its case.

Math is not restricted to reality, but you certainly seem to be. They are fictional worlds. Comprehend that. [/B]

Its a device, but its not science or at least its never claimed or hinted at to be science. Moebius the timestreamer was a sorceror. Real life physics based on physical means, not magical. You are forgetting how an exception we dont have can nullify the "defiance".

Throwing a rock thats impossibly balanced, moved through hardly any movement and that would affect not just strength but also durabiliy is not comparable to Raziel who just pushes a block around. It does if your using math based on how physics work in our world.

Math has accurate rules and regulations, gravity and physics in our world for moving objects is what are used in these calculations. LoK does not follow these rules, LoK to most degrees does, comprehend that.

So you are saying that math can not be adapted? That math is absolute and restricted strictly to what can be done in our world? That it can not be used for things defying our idea of physics.

Sucks to be Superman.

Not really, depends what part of Superman your trying to determine. Flight? can be mathed, as can his strength, speeds (most of them) etc

Superman has moved planets with physical force. He sneezed a galaxy to pieces. He punched a hole through the fabrics of reality.

He also lifted a truck. You are saying we can not apply math to him lifting a truck, because many of his feats defy physics?

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Actually, I do not think it has derailed. How to look at the calculations made on Link is relevant to the thread, so while our words do not circle around the actual versus, it is relevant. [/B]

Our opinions differ somewhat then, but it is not really you talking about Link that constitutes derailment, it is the mentioning of Kain and Superman, one of which who has no bearing in this match and the other which doesn't even belong in the forum. I understand the context though, which is why I only say it is a little derailment. 😛

The idea is to try explain to Burning Thought that math can be applied, and LoK is what he understands best. Sometimes you need to derail to get to the point.

Which is why I am not heckling you two about it, simply making an observation and contributing my piece.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Superman has moved planets with physical force. He sneezed a galaxy to pieces. He punched a hole through the fabrics of reality.

He also lifted a truck. You are saying we can not apply math to him lifting a truck, because many of his feats defy physics? [/B]

physical force can be calculated and the sneeze is also possibly physical fore as for the "fabrics of reality", we dont have anything to gauge that.

no your saying that. Its funny how youve tried to switch arguments, did you realise yours did not make sense and set up a strawman to try and trick me? your the one trying to argue about how just because Kains magic can defy time travel that this shakes the credability of moving a block.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Walk strength, Link was moving back while the Fyrus resisted, and pulled his feet right out from under him. Link is stronger, the only reason he needs the boots is to make himself heavier. Even with them, he cannot move backward unless he is stronger. Link. Is. Stronger. Power scaling alone proves Link is much stronger than Mercer, let alone the sword lock with Ganon.

This is all moot anyway. By the end of the game Link is much stronger, and shows it.

When does he show that he's physically stronger by the end?

Or heavier like the iron boots would imply, can he accomplish knocking over Fyrus without the boots?

This thread makes me want to make a TP Link vs OoT Link thread.

This thread makes me want to make a TP Link vs OoT Link thread.

Ganons strength is not at GGLinks strength. As said on page 9

Evidence he's not? I see none.
Evidence he is? Disarms OoT Link.

Evidence shows he can knock a light sword a few meters with a Glancing blow.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Or heavier like the iron boots would imply, can he accomplish knocking over Fyrus without the boots?

Evidence he's not:
-''As several others have said, different Ganon forms (Man, beast, head) have different feats. And what do you have to support Links strength being pillar throwing strength in that scene or any cutscene outside throwing it?''
-The description of the gauntlets state that they give you power to lift. Not strike, grip or anything else.
-Lets say that the GG could of taken into effect in that scene; No proof that his grip on the sword is increased/was holding it with his full strength as he just raised it up, and it was GanonGG strength that sword would of been flung further then it was.

-''As several others have said, different Ganon forms (Man, beast, head) have different feats. And what do you have to support Links strength being pillar throwing strength in that scene or any cutscene outside throwing it?''

Been covered.
-Ganon in beast form has done a lot of the same things he does in human form. It's all the same character, ect.
-Stuns Ganon without the master sword, something even Midna failed to achieve.

-The description of the gauntlets state that they give you power to lift. Not strike, grip or anything else.

-Lets say that the GG could of taken into effect in that scene; No proof that his grip on the sword is increased/was holding it with his full strength as he just raised it up, and it was GanonGG strength that sword would of been flung further then it was.

Link raised the sword defensively, I certainly don't loosen my grip on something between me and someone trying to hurt me. 😐

Canon > Gameplay.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Been covered.
-Ganon in beast form has done a lot of the same things he does in human form. It's all the same character, ect.
-Stuns Ganon without the master sword, something even Midna failed to achieve.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You ignore that they grant him strength. Like every item in LoZ that does exactly this, it does not alter gameplay, and so you use gameplay to support an illogical argument. Strength = Strength.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Negated by the fact the player needs to be able to retrieve the sword for the fight to continue.

Link raised the sword defensively, I certainly don't loosen my grip on something between me and someone trying to hurt me. 😐

Canon > Gameplay.

Didnt look that defensive, probable the graphics, meh. Besides he'd have to be holding it with the full pillar throwing strength in that quick instance. (Nothing said about increased grip)

The in-game descriptions state it twice. Power to lift.

Nah, they state power, which he can use to lift.

Power to lift- SG
Even more power- GG
Gauntlets= Power to lift.

Push A... Gameplay mechanic. The gauntlets make him stronger.

Check the power bracelets, titan mits, goron bracelet, ect, all of them grant Link strength, none change gameplay mechanics.