Just to settle down some issues.
DMC3 manga (set year before the game) and DMC anime (missing 5 years between 1st and 4th game) are canon.
DMC novels are NON CANON incl. the 4th one (minus some pieces that later worked its way into canon materials, such as Dante working as merc under alias Tony Redgrave during his late teens- the manga features the end of this period and probably (I'm not sure whether any Capcom authority said anything definite on that) Nero
Spoiler:, Viewtiful Joe games are NON CANON.
being the result of one-night stand of 16-years old Vergil and a random whore from Fortuna City
What? no thats impossible, the bullets would fall off a sword so thin, theres no way any control of the blade could result in him lining them up so neatly. Dante being bested several times says otherwise. We can see him just spinning it, you assuming he was doing more than that is folly bias. So drop the point....None of my objections have been put down, nice denile and assumption though. The guy gets shot in the head and then luckily takes a bullet in the teeth. Considering his mouth was hardly open its more likely. Nothing supports him being able to conciously catch a bullet in his teeth, slow jabs in the chest, impalements, beaten up by Nero and having a hard time escaping saviour say otherwise not to mension getting shot in the head beforehand, if he had reacted then and there then that would be reaction time, he didnt.
Their possibly moving slightly faster than they were when they were slowly moving consistently beforehand. We can track their swords with ease.
Seems not because we can see them moving slowly and hopping about as he slowly pulls out a chain gun and a rocket launcher. Its only once thieir in the air that they seem to freeze. Just looks like styalised graphic as Dante does not move any quicker than he does with the chain gun. No because Kain has better reactions than Dante who predicts, Kain can bring to bear all his senses in 0.2. Ive seen nothing from Dante to suggest hes faster than 0.5+, its more likely based on evidence Kain will be seen as a blur.
No it means you are utterly clueless and have less knowledge than I do by 4 games worth, you dont even know the main charatcer of one of the games for crying out loud. I am bias because I argue in all his threads? just shows how poor your understanding of what bias actually means is doesnt it really....almost as bad as your knowledge on DMC.
Hes reacting to someone a human would be able to sense behind them. Kains going to be appearing out of nowhere at speeds Dante will not be able to react to and whats more, a mere movement of the head is not going to dodge a sword. Kains got mist form to escape physical harm and Kains taken more punishment in a fraction of a square inch on his body than Dante can dish out in a slash.
It does have a mind.....nick fury is not a nanite, he just so happens to have nanites that can override his mind.
So, what did you think of Kessler? Pretty neato, right? renske
You forget that this is a stylised reality and these are superhuman swordsman. What may seem impossible for you is not so for them. And it isn't impossible, it would just require superhuman control of the blade and minute alterations to its angle. Besides, we see it happen, ergo it is not impossible. 😐 No wait, maybe it was 'luck'!
As I have patiently explained, merely spinning it would not achieve the feat, only reacting to each and every bullet would allow him to do so. Unless it was luck. 😐 Besides, the animation is him 'merely spinning' his sword around becuase thats all he needs to do. How the hell could the developers show him reacting and adjusting his speed to every bullet? When the blades already moving at superspeeds in the slow motion. This is a game, it has limits.
Thank you for providing the link that states that when people are relaxed or not expecting something their reaction times change: 'Due to momentary attentional lapses, there is a considerable amount of random variability in an individual's reaction time'. Making this scene not inducative of Dantes true reaction time becuase he obviously not paying attention to her gun. He had in fact just rescued her, they were having a conversation, he was not paying attention to her gun and thus was caught with his pants down, something which will not be happening here becuase he's very much paying attention to Kain. And btw, the double standards are hilarious. When Dante catches a bullet with his freakin' teeth its obviously luck, but when he gets hit by a bullet he's got no reason to suspect or even care about its obviously becuase he's slow. 😬 And btw, Dante was playing around with Nero, a fact Nero mentions himself and is obvious to anyone watching the scene. Are you sure you played that game?
I'm pretty sure that Dante beats Vergil in the end btw, and Vergil never curbstomps him. He needs to work for it, showing that the two are at least on the same tier of sworsmanship. In fact, its not untill Dante gets tired that he wins, Dante having hithertwo fought his way to Vergil btw.
Or maybe Vergil only won becuase of luck.
What, you mean they might be moving faster than when they were in slow motion. Now, thats just crazy talk. And no, we see blurs, beacuse they're moving too quick to be anything else. Finally, during that part we hear the clashing of what sounds like multiple swords at once, or at the least muuuuch faster than two swords should be clashing, as do we at the start of the scene, notably before the slow motion kicks in. Thats becuase they are moving much faster.
Thats becuase the scene is told from Dantes perspective, the purpose of the scene being to showcase Pandora, which wouldn't work if Dante was a mere blur moving through the motions. And how exactly would the toads specifically slowing down be stylised in any way? What purpose would that have other than to show Dantes speed? No, wait! Maybe it was becuase of luck!
OK, how exactly are you getting Kain 'bringing to bear all his senses in 0.2 seconds', which the link you provided says is average human reaction speed anyway? You can't possibly mean his 'teleport barrage' could you? Becuase he could easily just be randomly slashing as fast as he could. In other words, going on predictions.
No, it means I'm winning in a debate using a game I've never even played. That says more about you than it does about me. And I did know who Nero is, I just didn't know his feats or if him 'beating' Dante was good for him, Dante fooling around or bad for Dante (or maybe it was luck!). It was the middle one. No, you are biased becuase you always argue in favour of him, twisting facts and downplaying other characters feats while upping Kains feats, using double standards and fallacies all to make your favourite character look hardcoar, becuase heaven help if Kain loses on the internet!
No. He had no idea where she'd shoot, he had no prior knowledge of where her gun was pointing, and yet he still managed to figure out exactly where she'd shoot and casually dodge the bullet. He essentially dodged a bullet blindfolded and looked bored while doing it. Kain doing the same thing would would get himself bisected, particularily when Kain is so far below him (and bullets) in terms of speed and reflexes.
And you'll notice that Nicks mind is not in charge anymore. Taking contol of it would do nothing more than destract Kain long enoughfor him to get owned.
With Arkham he wasnt yet bested though as it was Spardas powers its given. Mundas didnt beat Dante :/
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
SMT:Nocturne storyline and feats are non-canon, however Dante's stats in the game are Capcom-approved stats of DMC2 Dante and thus are canon. Anything else in Nocturne is non-canon.
Fight science says that its 0.2 for a mook, 0.1 for a pro. Can not disagree. Wiki page saying 0.5 for breaking speeds, while on another page its says 0.19 for college students <<<<< Fight science that mains in how they 'react in a fight' ie what they're in now.
The extra 0.3 seconds would probably be actually moving your foot to brake, instead of just percieving it and reacting. Doing something about it is something different.
It should be mentioned that for Dante this would be shortened to an extra 0.003 seconds.
Originally posted by BloodRain
With Arkham he wasnt yet bested though as it was Spardas powers its given. Mundas didnt beat Dante :/
When I said "I don't know if he was bested," I meant that I don't know if you would exactly call that being "bested" when he first met Vergil (Nelo). Soooo...Arkham didn't best Vergil, Dante, and Lady? And Dante was pretty much beating Mundus. Either that, or it was 50/50.
A tired Dante and Vergil. Arkham said that if Vergil was in good condition he Vergil would mince him.
Mundus lasered him, Dante got pwned. He got supercharged on the power of Sparda on top of his own and started to fight with Mundus on even ground. Then Mundus just sent him flying down to earth and he needed Trish to supercharge him the last time
Originally posted by iChaos
When I said "I don't know if he was bested," I meant that I don't know if you would exactly call that being "bested" when he first met Vergil (Nelo). Soooo...Arkham didn't best Vergil, Dante, and Lady? And Dante was pretty much beating Mundus. Either that, or it was 50/50.
Arkham besting Dante? That's stupid. Dante had just fought Vergil to a draw.
Dante has only been truly beaten by Vergil, and Nelo Angelo, who is Vergil anyway.
Originally posted by iChaos
When I said "I don't know if he was bested," I meant that I don't know if you would exactly call that being "bested" when he first met Vergil (Nelo). Soooo...Arkham didn't best Vergil, Dante, and Lady? And Dante was pretty much beating Mundus. Either that, or it was 50/50.
That one attack wouldnt of beat Dante. Most of his energy was spend in Sparda mode (first time using it, no control) and Mundas was in his weakened form before he was sealed.
''Dante has only been truly beaten by Vergil, and Nelo Angelo, who is Vergil anyway.''
Dante didn't shake off those laser needles he was in agony. Trish had to save him.
He couldn't kill Mundus and he didn't have the power to seal him away either so Trish lent Dante her power to seal him away.
Okay I'll concede he beat Mundus after he fell to earth
1st: Mundus
2nd: Draw
3rd Dante
4th Dante and Trish
those were the winners unless I'm forgetting something.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Arkham besting Dante? That's stupid. Dante had just fought Vergil to a draw.Dante has only been truly beaten by Vergil, and Nelo Angelo, who is Vergil anyway.
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Originally posted by Son of Sparda
Dante didn't shake off those laser needles he was in agony. Trish had to save him.
Oh, I thought you was talking about that laser when he blasted it toward's Dante's head (When his eyes were red?).