Kain vs Team

Originally posted by Burning thought
This is going on inside her head, not a fight of physical telekinetic force so what they can each lift is irrelevant. And Kain has lifted a man in armour with ease, so human body weight+suit of armour.
unimportant tbh.

It means that he can take over the mind again and again and the nanites would have to take control, again and again. I could see them taking some time in your vid. Also show me how he makes duplicates. Also how do you know the nanites can override or even attempt to do so more than once?

Because I know it does, you just dont.

The strength of your telekinetic powers and how much you can lift with them speak for the strength of the mind. And okay, so it's 260 pounds max.

No, it doesn't. You lie about the time. The Nanites won't have to keep taking control, as they're already in control of Fury. Kain cannot take control of Fury, because he cannot take it from the Nanites.

YouTube video

6.40 Multiple Man shows up. Then you can see the blue flashes a few seconds later. It'd be better to get scans of a comic, but I don't have any.

I know Kain loses all of these rounds, you just don't.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The strength of your telekinetic powers and how much you can lift with them speak for the strength of the mind. And okay, so it's 260 pounds max.

No, it doesn't. You lie about the time. The Nanites won't have to keep taking control, as they're already in control of Fury. Kain cannot take control of Fury, because he cannot take it from the Nanites.

YouTube video

6.40 Multiple Man shows up. Then you can see the blue flashes a few seconds later. It'd be better to get scans of a comic, but I don't have any.

I know Kain loses all of these rounds, you just don't.

What proves this assumption and assertion?

When have the nanites shown to be able to protect furies mind from mental assault?

hm, ok so he does it fairly quickly. Has nick fury shown to be able to use hte powers of those he takes with the same level and skill of power? the same speed etc?

Youve not even played Lok, I have played every game to completion in the series involving those in the first round. And you have admitted you dont know some of the characters in the rounds after the first as well. And your comparison is poor, me knowing what Kain can do because I have actually played the game is not the same as your opinion on this thread, your hopelessly bias and ignorant opinion at that.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He used his powers to counter their psionics and jam their signal he can't actually control or prode someone's mind. Magneto is naturally resistant to telepathy he has battled Charles helmetless before.

My lord did you just reference the movies as your proof? That's about as credible as me saying Kain can't beat fairies because they have proven to be his weakness in this little fanfiction I wrote. To help you out with the movie's in question I'll just say that Juggernaut was a mutant, Wolverine could pierce Juggernaut's skin, the Phoenix was an alternate personality, not a cosmic force, and Magneto couldn't resist telepathy without his helmet.

What? What is this even pertaining to?

I'm saying there's no need and this is a horrible example since Kain's sorcery is nowhere near the level of LT. He wouldn't have to use a cosmic blast at all to deal with her. He doesn't do magic either, I don't understand why you don't understand this.

Can you show me this please?

No, I said I am not sure how canon the movies are, nice try though.

So when Kain mind controls Nick fury, any clones he makes can be absorbed by Kains original.

Its a perfect example to try and mock your assumption of how just being immune to magic in marvel is not good enough ot make her immune to any of kains types of magic, until she has proof against powerful magic users.

Ok, i concede to Darksied beating Kain. I did not know Darkkhan had the omega effect.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What proves this assumption and assertion?

When have the nanites shown to be able to protect furies mind from mental assault?

hm, ok so he does it fairly quickly. Has nick fury shown to be able to use hte powers of those he takes with the same level and skill of power? the same speed etc?

Youve not even played Lok, I have played every game to completion in the series involving those in the first round. And you have admitted you dont know some of the characters in the rounds after the first as well. And your comparison is poor, me knowing what Kain can do because I have actually played the game is not the same as your opinion on this thread, your hopelessly bias and ignorant opinion at that.

Common sense. It's the same as assuming your muscles are strong enough to lift anything that you can lift. If you weren't strong enough, you wouldn't lift it. Simple.

They don't have to. You're not getting it. Fury doesn't have control of himself, The Nanites have it. To get it, Kain has to take it from them. Machines.

Yes.

I know Kain's magic is feat less. I know Fury is better. I know Dante is faster. I know Kratos is stronger. I know Kain is outmatched in at least one area by every character in this thread.

Oh, and no, Kain cannot control duplicates by mind controlling the original. Each copy thinks for itself.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Common sense. It's the same as assuming your muscles are strong enough to lift anything that you can lift. If you weren't strong enough, you wouldn't lift it. Simple.

They don't have to. You're not getting it. Fury doesn't have control of himself, The Nanites have it. To get it, Kain has to take it from them. Machines.

Yes.

I know Kain's magic is feat less. I know Fury is better. I know Dante is faster. I know Kratos is stronger. I know Kain is outmatched in at least one area by every character in this thread.

Thats not common sense at all, your trying to compare mental technique to physical muscle mass.

No, your implying Kain has to MC machines, thats not true at all. He just has to MC fury still, the fact they have control and not him does not change the factors at all 🙂

Show me.

You dont know any of this at all, as youve not played the games. I actually know Dante, Kratos and Mercer will be destroyed with easy to moderate effort from Kain as I have seen all their powers first hand and can stack them comparatively. You cant, youve prob seen a few clips, in comparison to me you know nothing of these people apart from Fury at least in your list.

I know, Wei covered that.....

No, your implying Kain has to MC machines, thats not true at all. He just has to MC fury still, the fact they have control and not him does not change the factors at all

Ofc his mind can do things, the nanites just attempt to command it, their will agianst Kains mind powers. I need to know if they have been able to override a mind controlling force before.

Nanites control Fury's mind now, so mind raping him is useless/

Ofc his mind can do things, the nanites just attempt to command it, their will agianst Kains mind powers. I need to know if they have been able to override a mind controlling force before.

Currently it's:
Fury's mind < Nanites.
If Kain controls Fury's mind it becomes:
Fury's mind < Kain's influence on Fury's mind < Nanites.

Kain cannot weffect the nanites, only the mind, which is already being over-ridden, and thus, moot.

Ofc that would be true once its proven that Nanites can actually override control over Kains influence.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ofc that would be true once its proven that Nanites can actually override control over Kains influence.

I'll post more later but I just want to say that Fury has impressive telepathic defenses on his own.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ofc that would be true once its proven that Nanites can actually override control over Kains influence.

Kain can only effect the brain, which is ALREADY subdued by the nanites. Kain's influence is restricted to the brain, it cannot effect the nanites, which override the brain. Controlling something that can't do anythign because it's not in charge is useless. Even if Kain could do this, what with Fury being immune to magic, so he can't, it would be utterly useless because he's still not effecting the real driving force: the nanites.

If you're the legal owner of a car, and I'm in the driver's seat, while you're.. Offi n space somewhere, who decides where the car is going? Me.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Fury's mind doesn't influence his body no more, are you deaf are something? Plus Nanites are machines not organic brains like humans so you need to prove he can control a machine- scratch that A MACHINE COLLECTIVE.

Thats never been proven, his mind is simply being ordered by nanites, once their control however is beaten down by Kains because they likely dont have any feats for protecting their hosts mind from being controlled by another outside force then their done in.

Thats never been proven, his mind is simply being ordered by nanites, once their control however is beaten down by Kains because they likely dont have any feats for protecting their hosts mind from being controlled by another outside force then their done in.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats never been proven, his mind is simply being ordered by nanites, once their control however is beaten down by Kains because they likely dont have any feats for protecting their hosts mind from being controlled by another outside force then their done in.

Originally posted by Phanteros
They were controling his action therefore his mind to do so, otherwise Nick would be telling them he's not in control of his body. Ordered is controled, what kind of argument is that?

Yes so, their control is controlling his mind. Then kains will override the mind as well. The nanites realise their acessing a mind alreayd controlled by someone else.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're missing the point, let me dumb it down even more.

Kain can only effect the mind, which is ALREADY subdued by the nanites. Kain's influence is restricted to the mind, it cannot effect the nanites, which override the brain. Controlling something that can't do anythign because it's not in charge is useless. Even if Kain could do this, what with Fury being immune to magic, so he can't, it would be utterly useless because he's still not effecting the real driving force: the nanites.

If you're the legal owner of a car, and I'm in the driver's seat, while you're.. Offi n space somewhere, who decides where the car is going? Me.

The nanites still need to be able to override Kain once hes orreridden them. Furies mind is still there, the nanits just so happen to be able to order it. So can Kain. Can they resist his will?

Unless Kain comes along and kicks you out of the car and then he takes command of the vehicle.

Then they simply take the mind back, you act as if they are going to back off.
better yet they take Kain too,

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not common sense at all, your trying to compare mental technique to physical muscle mass.

No, your implying Kain has to MC machines, thats not true at all. He just has to MC fury still, the fact they have control and not him does not change the factors at all 🙂

Show me.

You dont know any of this at all, as youve not played the games. I actually know Dante, Kratos and Mercer will be destroyed with easy to moderate effort from Kain as I have seen all their powers first hand and can stack them comparatively. You cant, youve prob seen a few clips, in comparison to me you know nothing of these people apart from Fury at least in your list.

I know, Wei covered that.....

And you are saying a mind that can TK a bus is at the same level of strength as one that can only TK a person.

Excellent joke, but I'm afraid you'll have to point out the punchline. I didn't laugh, so I don't know where it is. But you can't be serious, so there must be a punchline in there somewhere.

Give me a reason to.

I've played DMC4. I've played enough of Prototype to know Kain can never kill Mercer. For some reason I still own a copy of both. Almost everyone else in this thread I have played a game in. Or in the case of Dark Khan it is known he is too powerful.

The nanites still need to be able to override Kain once hes orreridden them.

Furies mind is still there, the nanits just so happen to be able to order it. So can Kain. Can they resist his will?

Kain can only lift blueberries, nanites are pumpkins. Pumpkins are larger than blueberries, and Kain cannot make a blue berry larger than a pumpkin.

Unless Kain comes along and kicks you out of the car and then he takes command of the vehicle.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Then they simply take the mind back, you act as if they are going to back off.
better yet they take Kain too,

ah, now were getting somehwere. Now what evidence suggests they can beat Kains control? they cant even reach the source of his mental override just like how he cannot reach the source of theirs thing is, they need to get to him. He can alreay get to Fury through his mind. I doubt they have ever protected a host from an outside mental attack before.

Their not impanted in Kain. They cant, also Kains beaten back mental control quite handily so nah.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
And you are saying a mind that can TK a bus is at the same level of strength as one that can only TK a person.

Excellent joke, but I'm afraid you'll have to point out the punchline. I didn't laugh, so I don't know where it is. But you can't be serious, so there must be a punchline in there somewhere.

Give me a reason to.

I've played DMC4. I've played enough of Prototype to know Kain can never kill Mercer. For some reason I still own a copy of both. Almost everyone else in this thread I have played a game in. Or in the case of Dark Khan it is known he is too powerful.

Which makes sense because its not stated that mental strength lead to TK, at least not in Kains case. The person who can TK a bus, show me the evidence that suggests he/she only has TK because she has a strong mind?

What Legacy of Kain game have you played?