Darth Maul vs Kas'im

Started by Shoes11 pages
Originally posted by Gideon
With a lightsaber? Someone either prove that or, if it's already been done, refer me to the post in question.

PoD

...he’d mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he’d honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become...

And I'm not Ivalice. Isn't he the guy who created like 8 accounts along the lines of Anal Candy and Buttplug?

I have problem with saying that Kas'sim is proven powerful because of a single attack that he protected himself from. In that same book, it says the lowest sith apprentices are taught to protect themselves from force attacks (bubble of protection) from the beginning of their training.

You do understand that to block an attack of that magnitude, you would need a conjure a pretty powerful force shield. Remember that the novel states that Bane was gathering force energy as Kas'im was speaking, then unleashed it at once. It clearly shows us that Kas'im is capable of producing a very strong force shield, almost instantaneously. After the attack had been released, Bane colapsed, and was completely drained.

And on a side note, you don't have to accept that. What you do have to accept, is that Kas'im's saber domination is unmatched.

Originally posted by Gideon
With a lightsaber? Someone either prove that or, if it's already been done, refer me to the post in question.

woahpoasts

This is self-evident. There is literally no doubt in my mind that this is the case, and after I have told you the reasons why this is so I suspect that you will agree with me, even if you never achieve the crazily biased outlook I possess.

The level of talent that Kas'im brings in to any competition is prodigious. From his personal history to the narration of Path of Darkness (PoD), everything he is can be distilled into one word: skill.

In PoD Kas'im is tasked with the job of training the Brotherhood of Darkness's most promising students in personal combat. In this job he must have a working knowledge of every form, at a level high enough to train the future leaders and kingpins of the movement. This indicates that he knows all the forms of this era. Darth Maul comes out the lesser in any comparison of general knowledge of saber combat; the most we can say about Maul is that he is a high-level master of multiple forms--not all.

How do we know that Kas'im's knowledge of the various forms equals Maul's knowledge of the subset that he does know? This too is solved with a simple recollection of the plotline of PoD. The method that Kas'im uses to teach his students is one focusing heavily on rote memorization. A new student is given a sequence of moves to learn, gradually weaving these "combinations" into a coherent fighting form. Kas'im knows all of these. In fact, he knows every combination for every form with any mainstream variation of the lightsaber (double blade or single, dual wield or otherwise) and some more obscure variants (like the lightwhip). Even if Darth Maul does not use these exact combinations, the degree of familiarity that Kas'im has with any fighting style thrown at him (with the possible exception of Vapaad [which is notably different from Juyo, which Kas'im is aware of]) puts him at a considerable advantage.

Rote memorization is not Kas'im's only tool, however. His functional skill can be seen in his duel with Darth Bane. When using his weapon of choice--dual wielding sabers--his speed and skill overwhelms both Bane's skills (which at this point were considerable, rivaling Kas'im's familiarity with the various forms of combat) and his Force precognition, which was powerful enough even in an untrained state to protect him on the front lines of the War against the Republic. This indicates that mere "technical mastery" is not the only thing Kas'im brings to a fight; he also has an excellent grasp of in-combat applications.

Kas'im has a greater degree of technical skill and combat experience than does Maul, making him the victor in any clash of blades between the two.

Before I respond, I have but one question: did Bane master a single form of lightsaber combat?

It seems like it was Djem So, because he is so strong? I don't have the link to the Russian site anymore so I can't help you. Actually, could somebody post that please?

But my guess is that he spec'd Djem So, with an added emphasis on everything else. (He memorized everything i think, as can be seen by him teaching Zannah.)

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
It seems like it was Djem So, because he is so strong? I don't have the link to the Russian site anymore so I can't help you. Actually, could somebody post that please?

But my guess is that he spec'd Djem So, with an added emphasis on everything else. (He memorized everything i think, as can be seen by him teaching Zannah.)

All the students were taught everything but due to Bane's "2 meters even" muscular bulk he used Djem So the most and with his curved hilt sabed he could put more force on the blows. Can't find my copy of PoD at mo. Simply, you're right Red.

And I'm not Ivalice. Isn't he the guy who created like 8 accounts along the lines of Anal Candy and Buttplug?

How would you know that? That was before you signed up. sneaky2

Originally posted by Nephthys
How would you know that? That was before you signed up. sneaky2
Maybe he's not a new user? 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
How would you know that? That was before you signed up. sneaky2

I got interested in Star Wars about 2 1/2 years ago, the first time I played KoTOR. I found this forum only 6 months ago. I just looked around, and saw how you treated people without EU knowledge. So, I went here, and learned. Then, I signed up, with a decent knowledge of the sith era, ROTS, LOTF, and DE. I saw you guys complaining about him before, plus threads don't have to be hot to read them.

It isn't that we enjoy being jerks, it is just that the only enjoyable usage of KMC after the fifth time explaining something like the metaphysics of Mace in combat is ridiculing people who say dumb things. That there is a correlation between not knowing what you are talking about (in any subject) and saying dumb things is only incidental.

what is that in response to?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
what is that in response to?
I just looked around, and saw how you treated people without EU knowledge.

This.

Spoiler:
He could also be SorgoGenesis, in contribution mode.

that?

Yes that. The idea that we treat newcomers and people that want to learn poorly.

Shoes are to socks, as what are to sock accounts, is the question.

Am I on the right track Shoes?

Red I need you to come up with a metaphor involving shoes, socks, and people having their accounts restricted from message boards and then going on to make other accounts.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
It isn't that we enjoy being jerks, it is just that the only enjoyable usage of KMC after the fifth time explaining something like the metaphysics of Mace in combat is ridiculing people who say dumb things. That there is a correlation between not knowing what you are talking about (in any subject) and saying dumb things is only incidental.

Your reaction is justified. I simply try to avoid being on the receiving end of it.

Originally posted by iamkadesh
Red I need you to come up with a metaphor involving shoes, socks, and people having their accounts restricted from message boards and then going on to make other accounts.

It seems like you'd be the one to ask about socks, Neb.

Reported.

You know why.

Do I?