Originally posted by ScreamPasteGiratina did not directly stop them, as I heard. Show me him directly stopping both at once please.
Giratina could stop Palkia nad Dialga simultaneously, and most of these abilities take long enough that atleast one of these universe busters will die before they pull it off. 😐 Also, TC is entirely moot, she can't compress all time and space because time and space incarnate say no.Will!
Abilities take long enough? Show me their abilities taking time. 😐 We have not actually seen any but Ultimecia pull off their universe destroying feat, based on your logic I can easily say it takes Palkia and Dialga hours to destroy the universe.
TC? Read my post next time Scream. TC does not matter because she does not even need to do it anymore, this is Ultimecia's final form, the universe absorbing one, this one had already absorbed most of the universe. She did so instantly btw.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice2. Well Exdeath directly states as much in Dissidia to Ultimecia. 😐 The Void is not bound by the universe's laws, it is above them. Considering how it can erase it. Moo, your trolling needs to stop. You lack the evidence to prove that Palkia can bfr the dimension spanning Void, yet you continue to claim it, a dreadfully BT thing to do. Tell me a more impressive feat of time manipulation than compressing all of it into a single moment. I can think of like one right now. I am not saying she has control over it due to that either, I am doing so because she had already absorbed it by this point, and yes, she DOES have the Sorceress Power, unless specified this is the characters as last seen, Ultimecia was last seen as having the entirety of the Sorceress Power.
2. Funny, I'm still seeing a lot of this "The Void is above Time" but nothing to actually support it. Supposedly the Void has to touch things to erase it, which it cannot do due to being BFR'd. And I'm sorry, but compressing Time does not give you total control of it, nor does Ultimecia already have the Sorceress Power.3. Same thing again. I'll just let you see my previous response to this part. 👆
Not my fault he has to be kill-able for KMC threads. I didn't write the rules.
Well, considering it was never said how they defeated him or stopped him, no, it isn't enough.
3. I accept your concession.
The rule is in place so that the opposing side has a chance of winning. His opponents include time/space gods, and an anti-matter fueled anti-god kind of thing. No unfairness here.
What is this last part referring to?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Dodging electricity is so easy to do.
Pikachu didn't use any electric attacks in that fight, but FF characters are capable of dodging such attacks as well or either tanking them considering the amount of enemies they fight with that ability.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Pikachu is only fast when using quick attack. Which he was not in that scene.
Or agility or possibly volt tackle, because when he learned it on the anime it was in the middle of a quick attack and he picked up alot more speed.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ash's Pikachu has hurt Rock and Steel types by hitting them with his tail.
After using Iron tail which pretty much turns it's tail iron... in unrelated news did you know a primeape can use iron tail despite no tail 😐
Originally posted by The Scenario
Mewtwo is god level. Only pokemon stronger than him is Arceus.
Game stat wise, canonically Giratina, Palkia, and Dialga are stronger as well.
This is getting to be a chore.
Originally posted by NemeBro
2. Well Exdeath directly states as much in Dissidia to Ultimecia. 😐 The Void is not bound by the universe's laws, it is above them. Considering how it can erase it. Moo, your trolling needs to stop. You lack the evidence to prove that Palkia can bfr the dimension spanning Void, yet you continue to claim it, a dreadfully BT thing to do. Tell me a more impressive feat of time manipulation than compressing all of it into a single moment. I can think of like one right now. I am not saying she has control over it due to that either, I am doing so because she had already absorbed it by this point, and yes, she DOES have the Sorceress Power, unless specified this is the characters as last seen, Ultimecia was last seen as having the entirety of the Sorceress Power.3. I accept your concession.
The rule is in place so that the opposing side has a chance of winning. His opponents include time/space gods, and an anti-matter fueled anti-god kind of thing. No unfairness here.
What is this last part referring to?
2. Fine, no BFR. Dialga sends back something to kill Exdeath before it summons the Void. Same with Cloud of Darkness and whatever else summons the stupid thing. How about Time Creation? To be honest, Dialga could probably compress time as well. It is said to have total control over the flow of Time.
3. I didn't offer one. 😐 I don't even remember what this point was.
Everything has to be killable. But fine, if he isn't killable MewTwo just erases his memory or something.
I don't know anymore.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Ghosts aren't Zombies. They won't take damage from Cures.
They got Holy. Though it's most likely not a Ghost Pokemon's weakness. It's still gonna hurt plus, three of the white mages are summoners.
They get Cursed and Destiny Bonded.
Taunt prevents nondamaging moves.
Which won't be a problem for the high tiers or people like Squall and Cloud.
He gets killed by Destiny Bond and Aftermath.
Both are useless against Sin. Go play Final Fantasy X. Only the Final Aeon "kills" Sin but it resurrects after a while. The only way to beat Sin is to destroy Yu Yevon. None of the Pokemon will survive getting inside.
Curse still is not a status effect. You could substitue Leech Seed since they're basically the same thing.
They're both status effects when placed in Final Fantasy. They're no different from Curse (FF), Sap, and Doom. Leech Seed can be removed as it's just a seed that wraps an opponent and sucks their energy.
Originally posted by The Scenario
I doubt that Sin, Neo Exdeath, and Cloud of Darkness can affect Pokemon since their attacks only affect Final Fantasy characters.
LOL wut? In that case, Halo weapons can't affect people in Grand Theft Auto because it only affects Halo characters.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Everything weaker than them, which is about 99.9% of Final Fantasy. The top tier universe bustarz would be stronger, but even Ultimecia, outside time compression, would be suppressable.
Right because Mewtwo can resist attacks that bend time and space despite never having any showings of that.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yes. The only characters I know of who would be stronger than MewTwo are Neo Exdeath, The Hyne, Ultimecia.
And Sin.
And Necron
And Trance Kuja
And Dissidia Chaos
And Cosmos
And Cloud of Darkness
And Zeromus
And God Kefka
I'll even say Zodiark surpasses Mewtwo (and it's not because of his super-exaggerated Final Eclipse).
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Auto-Life and Esuna solve that problem. X-Zone would prevent Destiny Bond from happening.Which won't be a problem for the high tiers or people like Squall and Cloud.
Both are useless against Sin. Go play Final Fantasy X. Only the Final Aeon "kills" Sin but it resurrects after a while. The only way to beat Sin is to destroy Yu Yevon. None of the Pokemon will survive getting inside.
They're both status effects when placed in Final Fantasy. They're no different from Curse (FF), Sap, and Doom. Leech Seed can be removed as it's just a seed that wraps an opponent and sucks their energy.
LOL wut? In that case, Halo weapons can't affect people in Grand Theft Auto because it only affects Halo characters.
Right because Mewtwo can resist attacks that bend time and space despite never having any showings of that.
You should explain what these do.
Squall and Cloud are busy being rapestomp'd by some Rattata and a pair of Machamp.
No Pokemon will survive? Based on what? Some little FF character trying to and failing?
Just out of curiosity, what gives FF priority over Pokemon? Why do Pokemon submit to the rules of the FF verse and not the opposite way around? Good job trying to impose rules on something that already has its own.
Leech Seed happens to wrap up its opponents and constantly sap their energy. I think it electrocutes them, too.
Way to miss Scenario directing that at NemeSis' stupid post.
I missed where he said that MewTwo could do that. You must see things I don't. I thought I was the only one with super powers around here.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You should explain what these do.
Auto-Life: Revive with full HP when defeated.
Esuna: Eliminates all negative status effects (except Zombie, Disease, and Doom in some FFs). Disease is a status effect in FFXII that prevents HP from being recovered. It makes Cure spells useless.
X-Zone: Aka Telega or Banish. It sends an enemy to a void. It's not only used by Exdeath
Squall and Cloud are busy being rapestomp'd by some Rattata and a pair of Machamp.
Rattata are easily defeated as they're some of the weakest Pokemon around. They're only good for beginner teams which would brutalized by any FF party.
No Pokemon will survive? Based on what? Some little FF character trying to and failing?
Sin has powerful gravity shields and can disintegrate foes. Tidus & friends got inside because of Jecht. If Seymour became Sin, everything would be hopeless.
Just out of curiosity, what gives FF priority over Pokemon? Why do Pokemon submit to the rules of the FF verse and not the opposite way around? Good job trying to impose rules on something that already has its own.
Because most of the best Pokemon are restricted to trainer commands. They may escape status effects via Pokeball but trainers would get killed. Final Fantasy characters do not live in balls and do what they want. You have Mist and Haze but FF has their own as well. Pokemon 1-hit KO attacks are usually game mechanics and/or would work on Pokemon only. A horn drill may KO a Nidoking but that's considered suicide against Sin. Leech Seeds are usually gameplay as it's just a seed that sucks energy. Magmar would easily escape one if he wasn't restricted to game mechanics. Mean Look wouldn't be any use against a non-Pokemon.
Leech Seed happens to wrap up its opponents and constantly sap their energy. I think it electrocutes them, too.
No it just saps energy. And it's dangerous against undead FF enemies because it'll do the opposite. Not the case with Gengar and Dusclops.
I missed where he said that MewTwo could do that. You must see things I don't. I thought I was the only one with super powers around here.
My other special power is detecting BS 😉
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Auto-Life: Revive with full HP when defeated.Esuna: Eliminates all negative status effects (except Zombie, Disease, and Doom in some FFs). Disease is a status effect in FFXII that prevents HP from being recovered. It makes Cure spells useless.
X-Zone: Aka Telega or Banish. It sends an enemy to a void. It's not only used by Exdeath
Rattata are easily defeated as they're some of the weakest Pokemon around. They're only good for beginner teams which would brutalized by any FF party.
Sin has powerful gravity shields and can disintegrate foes. Tidus & friends got inside because of Jecht. If Seymour became Sin, everything would be hopeless.
Because most of the best Pokemon are restricted to trainer commands. They may escape status effects via Pokeball but trainers would get killed. Final Fantasy characters do not live in balls and do what they want. You have Mist and Haze but FF has their own as well. Pokemon 1-hit KO attacks are usually game mechanics and/or would work on Pokemon only. A horn drill may KO a Nidoking but that's considered suicide against Sin. Leech Seeds are usually gameplay as it's just a seed that sucks energy. Magmar would easily escape one if he wasn't restricted to game mechanics. Mean Look wouldn't be any use against a non-Pokemon.
No it just saps energy. And it's dangerous against undead FF enemies because it'll do the opposite. Not the case with Gengar and Dusclops.
My other special power is detecting BS 😉
Sounds like an item, or a spell with a casting limit. Am I correct?
Curse is not a status effect. Nor is Leech Seed. Are these spells able to be dodged?
Except they might be faster than much of the FF verse. Besides, all they have to do is land one move in order to contribute.
Dialga and Palkia can disintegrate foes too. Giritina can literally, by scientific definition, annihilate foes. Gravity shields just don't sound very useful.
Not really. Pokemon are never restricted to just commands, it is only what they do in battling. OHKO attacks work on any Pokemon, even things harder than diamond. We have seen Leech Seed outside of gameplay, and it doesn't just sap energy, it literally cripples whatever it is attached to. Based on what?
You think Leech Seed will give energy to the undead enemies? How?
Your weakness must be present. What is it? Nintendo characters?
For the Curse and Leech Seed argument being used against Sin, I don't think any of those would work. I'm not saying it isn't a good idea but if a high-powered lazer beam can't get through its gravity shields then the odds are definitly not in the ghost or grass Pokemon's favor. Along with that, even if those attack could hit, as long as Yu Yevon is spick and span those attacks won't do jack squat to Sin.
Instead of wasting their time on Sin, why don't those galaxy raping legendaries just destroy the part of the universe where Sin is located. Then they could get into a fight with Kuja and Kefka in space or something I don't know.
Exactly how powerful are Jirachi's wish-granting abilities anyways?