Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
Ultemecia, Cloud of Darkness, Ex Death, and Neo Exdeath > Palkia and Dalgia....... The Pokeverse DOES NOT run on friendship like the FF series does, and claiming that their friendship could overcome the compression of all space and time is just wrong.
I've said it before. Friendship > Time Compression is all that means. It does not mean that their friendship is godly. Pokemon has plenty of friendship.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
Take the first movie for example... what kind of message do you think that sent to little kids. Mewtwo goes crazy and wants use his clones to beat the other Pokemon. They brutally fight each other up until the end where Ash jumps in the way. Everyone stops fighting because they realize that it's wrong and pokemon shouldn't be used for it, and all of them cry until Ash is revived. The fight is over, Mewtwo and his clones leave, and Ash and the others memories are wiped clean so they never remember learning fighting is bad, and continue to beat up other pokemon for another 11 seasons. Soo??? WTF!!?? Its okay to have pokemon fight and beat the shit out of their own kind as long as you don't know it's wrong, and if you cry your loved one's will come back to life.....That isn't a very good sign of Pokemon having friendship, and trainers shouldn't be included in this thread either... Scream Paste stated that every pokemon ever (except Arcius) vs every FF character (except Dissidia.... btw thats BS Dissidia is a cannon game). It says nothing about trainers.
MewTwo tried to destroy the world because he believed his clones were superior. And it was wrong to make Pokemon fight as they were doing so, to the death. Pokemon battling is a sport, like boxing and wrestling. Real wrestling, not that crap they pass off as professional wrestling.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
humans > Giratina ..... (Snow, Cloud, Squall, Lightning, Vincent, Cicel, Bartz and the others beat the shits out of it)
Let me know when they survive literal annihilation. 👆
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
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Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
A Leech Seed attached to an Undead will magically sap energy from the userLOLZ... fogga. Wow Moo.... and earlier in the thread you said pokemon don't use magic. You just contradicted yourself. 😆
This area is why I told you to learn to read. I really hope you were joking here, because if you weren't then damn. After that statement, there was this magical little piece of punctuation that we call a "question mark." It looks like this: ?
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
A Machamp and Ratatatta taking out Sin? not at all, Sin would wipe the floor with them, and 13's painga ability keeps those pokemon from ever attacking. Doesn't 8's characters have pain too? I don't remember I haven't played it in awhile.
I didn't say that. For these spells that all of you guys like to wank so much, the Pokemon have moves that either do the same thing or counter these spells.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
dispellga and esuna > status effects and safeguard
Yeah.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
zombie attacks > curse, leech seed, etc. These moves would heal them they are undead.
This is incorrect. And as I said before, if these zombies are truly a threat they can be BFR'd by a number of Pokemon.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
Oh and Moo, Claiming that a DBZ character could be taken out by Giratina is just wrong.If only DBZ started out as a video game..... I would start a thread that would make you pay for ever thinking this was possible. If you knew anything about the DBZ series, then you would know even the weaker characters could take him out. Goku, the strongest, could solo the Pokemon universe. (Arcius included) without breaking a sweat. Pokemon are nothing compared DBZ, Goku would pwn Pokemon so bad that their fight wouldn't even make him late for dinner. Hell, knowing Goku, he might try eating a few of them after he killed them.
I suggested we drop the DBZ crap, but it's too late, this here has evolved it into something that makes me regret bringing it up.
Goku cannot solo the Pokeverse.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
Goku IS stronger than the kais in DBZ, he can beat anything. The kais are the equivalent of God in the DBZ universe, just like Arcius is in the pokemon universe. Goku is stronger than God, Arcius wouldn't touch him. If a meteor can fu** up Arcius in the movie, Goku could pwn Arcius before it even had the chance to attack him.It isn't foolishness just because you don't agree, I will not vacate this thread. It isn't my fault that Akira Toriyama made one of the strongest characters ever create in Anime. Doesn't mean you should hate on me for it. I don't even want to try to argue this, it isn't the thread for it, we are off topic... Try replying to the other points I made, instead of complaining to about me defending DBZ.
No.
King Kai has shown no qualities of God. He is not omnipotent, omnicient, or omnipresent. He has been killed. God > DBZ and every other work of manga/anime
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've said it before. Friendship > Time Compression is all that means. It does not mean that their friendship is godly. Pokemon has plenty of friendship.
You have a VERY bad concept about Final Fantasy VIII's plot. That may be understandable since you haven't played any of the games.
If what you say there were completely true and if we do accept your argument with lacks of knowledge about the whole plot (I clearly state that I do not in any way possible) then it wouldn't make sense. Why? Because I want to know this: Why the hell they sent just six SeeDs to that mission instead of the hundred of students and the remaining SeeDs in Balamb and Galbadia? I suppose they all had that: 'Friendship' you talk about. No one in the Final Fantasy VIII Universe would have been compressed AND absorbed into Ultimecia, then. Why to worry if Ultimecia wants to compress time, then? Hello? If they can live having bonds of friendship and love then the whole plot wouldn't make any miserable sense. Why the hell she was a threat, then? Sorry, but you are wrong here.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
No.I will not tolerate Goku fanfaggotry here.
Arceus, among several other Pokemanz, would murder Goku.
Arceus almost died by a meteor imagine what just Krillin would do 😐
By the end of the Frieza saga they're all planet busters.
And after the fanboyism I've heard
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
ok.... FF wins
I really think this should just be a draw...or a race to see which series can destroy the universe first.
Pokemon has beings that can destroy and recreate the universe
Final Fantasy has beings that can destroy and recreate the universe
This could very well be draw but I guess people will have their preferences.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The FF8 Party has the best friendship in that game. I've said that, specifically, before as well.
Huh? What do you mean they had the 'best' friendship? That doesn't make any sense. That shows you don't know anything about it. If you played the game, you'll perfectly know that they are fated to defeat Ultimecia. Hell, you don't even know what is the true purpose behind Time Compression and Ultimecia's plans. How's possible you guys are making your own versions of the game?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
And both Ultimecia and The Great Hyne were defeated by love and friendship
^
^ See this? This is another example of the lack of knowledge.
Seriously... The ones that haven't played the games, are either stubborn or incapable of understanding the plot, therefore they MUST play the game to make arguments. This is nonsense.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've said it before. Friendship > Time Compression is all that means. It does not mean that their friendship is godly. Pokemon has plenty of friendship.MewTwo tried to destroy the world because he believed his clones were superior. And it was wrong to make Pokemon fight as they were doing so, to the death. Pokemon battling is a sport, like boxing and wrestling. Real wrestling, not that crap they pass off as professional wrestling.
Let me know when they survive literal annihilation. 👆
This area is why I told you to learn to read. I really hope you were joking here, because if you weren't then damn. After that statement, there was this magical little piece of punctuation that we call a "question mark." It looks like this: ?
I didn't say that. For these spells that all of you guys like to wank so much, the Pokemon have moves that either do the same thing or counter these spells.
Yeah.
This is incorrect. And as I said before, if these zombies are truly a threat they can be BFR'd by a number of Pokemon.
I suggested we drop the DBZ crap, but it's too late, this here has evolved it into something that makes me regret bringing it up.
Goku cannot solo the Pokeverse.
I never called it godly, but its more impressive than the claim that the Pokeverse runs on friendship. The majority of Pokemon are just animals. Some can actually think for themselves, (like Mewtwo, SlowKing, or Lugia from the 1st two movies) but they wouldn't last long enough to be important in this fight. The others are just wild animals, waiting to be caught by humans and trained into obedient little monsters that do what ever their masters tell them to. They are just wild animals humans used for sport. They are basically 13's version of l'Cie. The Fal'Cie could take most of the Pokemon by themselves, or the Void and the compression of all time and space would too. Pokemon are tools. In every Final Fantasy game the main characters face the certain destruction of of their planet/universe. But the main characters are more than just tools. Their will power and trust in each other help them defy the fate of their planet/universe, and save it. They are human, not tools, they will make their own destiny. They rise up against their oppressors, and achieve the impossible.
Humans also survived the literal annihilation when they caught the effing Giratina. Giratina < humans 😆
0_o ....... Wow, there's a magic thing called a question mark???? I had no idea. When did this happen????? What does this magic question mark do?????? Oh well, I'm not really sure what your point was. Personally, I think you just wanted to call me illiterate, which I assure you is not the case. I wouldn't be typing on a keyboard if it was.
FF's spells are more diverse in effects, and any one that pokemon used could be beaten by fogga, dispellga, or esuna. Pokemon games are pretty much simplified versions of FF games. Play one and you'll see what I'm talking about. A child can beat Pokemon games, it takes a real gamer to beat a FF game.
Most of the other pokemon would be taken out by mages, summons, etc. before they could hurt the zombies so it wouln't happen. FF characters could also turn the pokemon into zombies and kill them with white magic (auto-life, regen, cureja, curega, raise, etc.) an items(phoenix down, elixer, etc.)
Shouldn't have brought it up then. Stop before we get reported.
Yes he would.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Nah, Giratina uses Shadow Force to dodge/counterattack."It will hit even if the foe has used Protect or Detect on the second turn and like Feint, lifts the effects of Protect or Detect for the remainder of the turn in a double battle." - Shadow Force description
Shadow Force is good for Giratina. 🙂
But not good enough against upper tiers. Giratina was still captured by a human.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Taunt affects everything.
In gameplay it does.
Most could probably dodge them.
That's if they can dodge them. With all the defenseless pigs and frogs around, it's an easy win.
But Pokemon have their own Mini move, which happens to be called Minimize. Go ahead and use it, but it is actually beneficial to Pokemon as it increases their Evasion without hindering their other abilities.
Pig and frog spells are better.
1000 needles would have to be properly aimed, unless shot in all directions, in which case it's like one needle, big deal.
Who says a Cactuar can't aim?
I haven't seen where Giritina was captured by a human. But no, it doesn't actually prove that, as Giritina probably wasn't trying to kill said human.
Giratina almost died when in captivity. This was in that Giratina movie.
Yamcha got killed by a Saibaman. Koffing ftw?
The Saibamen were supposed to be as powerful as Raditz. Raditz can kill a whole army of Koffing and Weezing.
This is a bad statement. Shiny Metagross says hi. Not to mention I am certain I could go find a video of a wild Pokemon using a TM move if I were to go searching through episodes, but I won't be doing that.
I don't know what this shiny Metagross is.
Leech Life. Bug Bite. Had it been able to escape, it would have.
It's mouth isn't long enough. Also there was no Bug Bite back then.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
Arceus almost died by a meteor imagine what just Krillin would do 😐
By the end of the Frieza saga they're all planet busters.And after the fanboyism I've heard
In that case, Tellah, Golbez, and FuSoYa solo the Pokeverse.
And just for laughs, add in Trema, Exodus, Terra, Celes, and a Behemoth King.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Huh? What do you mean they had the 'best' friendship? That doesn't make any sense. That shows you don't know anything about it. If you played the game, you'll perfectly know that they are fated to defeat Ultimecia. Hell, you don't even know what is the true purpose behind Time Compression and Ultimecia's plans. How's possible you guys are making your own versions of the game?^
^ See this? This is another example of the lack of knowledge.
Seriously... The ones that haven't played the games, are either stubborn or incapable of understanding the plot, therefore they MUST play the game to make arguments. This is nonsense.
This is what I have been told, that the FF8 Party's "bonds of friendship" are what allowed them to survive Time Compression. And by best I meant strongest as they were the only ones to survive.
There's a problem. I'm not the one who actually said that. You put the wrong name in your quote. 👆
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
I never called it godly, but its more impressive than the claim that the Pokeverse runs on friendship. The majority of Pokemon are just animals. Some can actually think for themselves, (like Mewtwo, SlowKing, or Lugia from the 1st two movies) but they wouldn't last long enough to be important in this fight. The others are just wild animals, waiting to be caught by humans and trained into obedient little monsters that do what ever their masters tell them to. They are just wild animals humans used for sport. They are basically 13's version of l'Cie. The Fal'Cie could take most of the Pokemon by themselves, or the Void and the compression of all time and space would too. Pokemon are tools. In every Final Fantasy game the main characters face the certain destruction of of their planet/universe. But the main characters are more than just tools. Their will power and trust in each other help them defy the fate of their planet/universe, and save it. They are human, not tools, they will make their own destiny. They rise up against their oppressors, and achieve the impossible.Humans also survived the literal annihilation when they caught the effing Giratina. Giratina < humans 😆
0_o ....... Wow, there's a magic thing called a question mark???? I had no idea. When did this happen????? What does this magic question mark do?????? Oh well, I'm not really sure what your point was. Personally, I think you just wanted to call me illiterate, which I assure you is not the case. I wouldn't be typing on a keyboard if it was.
FF's spells are more diverse in effects, and any one that pokemon used could be beaten by fogga, dispellga, or esuna. Pokemon games are pretty much simplified versions of FF games. Play one and you'll see what I'm talking about. A child can beat Pokemon games, it takes a real gamer to beat a FF game.
Most of the other pokemon would be taken out by mages, summons, etc. before they could hurt the zombies so it wouln't happen. FF characters could also turn the pokemon into zombies and kill them with white magic (auto-life, regen, cureja, curega, raise, etc.) an items(phoenix down, elixer, etc.)
Shouldn't have brought it up then. Stop before we get reported.
Yes he would.
You're so wrong here it's unbelievable. Do you actually know anything about Pokemon? GrieverSquall is criticizing me for not having played FF8 and here I am not sure either of you know what you might be talking about.
Giritina never touched them with antimatter. Probably because he wasn't trying to kill them. And for good measure lets throw in a laughing smiley. 😆
Well if you aren't illiterate, you simply neglected to read. Something you shouldn't make a habit of.
A real gamer to beat an FF game? You're joking, right? FF games aren't exactly renowned for incredible difficulty. And not really. Taunt does exactly what one of those spells does, I forget which. Pokemon have moves that either do the same thing better, or something to counter it. FF isn't more diverse. If by some chance it is, that appears to be more of a hindrance than an advantage.
Maybe if the Pokemon stand there. More laughing smileys to assert my dominance! 😆 😆 😆 😆
From what I recall, DBZ characters are relatively helpless against many things. They punch, kick, and shoot energy beams. Do they have any defense against time travel? What about TK? Spatial distortion? Annihilation? Can they breathe in space?
A few points.
-The Pokemanz movies and anime are filled with PIS, and are generally the weakest form ever seen of the pokemon in question.
-Watching everyone under-estimate the pokemon in this thread is getting funny, but sad. 😐 The FF party characters such as Cloud and Squall are total nonfactors in this match, as is everything up to Sephiroth. This thread, poorly thought out on my part, is basicly a bunch of universe wreckers fighting each other while everyone else watches.
-Please stuff the DBZ talk.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
But not good enough against upper tiers. Giratina was still captured by a human.In gameplay it does.
That's if they can dodge them. With all the defenseless pigs and frogs around, it's an easy win.
Pig and frog spells are better.
Who says a Cactuar can't aim?
Giratina almost died when in captivity. This was in that Giratina movie.
I don't know what this shiny Metagross is.
It's mouth isn't long enough. Also there was no Bug Bite back then.
In that case, Tellah, Golbez, and FuSoYa solo the Pokeverse.
And just for laughs, add in Trema, Exodus, Terra, Celes, and a Behemoth King.
Really wish I knew why you think that mattered.
By this logic, the FF spells will not affect every Pokemon, as they only affect everything in Gameplay. 👆
Pokemon don't have transfiguration moves, so I don't know how you put a bunch of frogs and pigs around. Unless you mean Politoed and Grumpig. But they aren't defenseless. So...
Nobody. But exact duplicates might present a problem.
Then I'll have to go watch.
I actually edited out your Raditz part because I shouldn't reply to it, but you worded it wrong. Saibamen are not as strong as Raditz, Raditz is as weak as a Saibaman.
An incredibly aggressive and strong wild Pokemon. It actually killed people, if memory serves.
Vines stretched all over its body. 😐 The problem was it was being electrocuted / energy sapped.
Arceus being owned by a meteor is PIS. It lost it's Life Plates in the collision so that Damos could return them and create the plot. The only reason Palkia, Dialga, and Giritina are able to hold him off is due to him not being at full power. With all of his plates he is immune to any type of attack and more powerful.